Persecuted *Open Thread* UPDATED


Update at the bottom of the post.

Sadly, there is more of that in the news of late than we’d like to think. First up is the continued persecution, and doubling down by, the Rev. William Barber, the head of the NC NAACP, of Sen. Tim Scott. Just to refresh your memories, this “minister” said this about Sen. Scott (from Breitbart):

[…] “A ventriloquist can always find a good dummy,” Barber said. He said, “the extreme right wing down here (in South Carolina) finds a black guy to be senator and claims he’s the first black senator since Reconstruction and then he goes to Washington, D.C., and articulates the agenda of the Tea Party.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

When given the opportunity to apologize for his deplorable comments against my US Senator, Tim Scott, a man who worked very hard to get to where he is, I might add, below is his response. Thankfully, Sen. Scott is speaking up in a big way:

I have to say, as a minister, I am offended that someone would use homiletic skills, this case, “metaphor,” to attack someone as a clergy-person. That Barber was wearing a stole was intended to clearly emphasizes his statement was made as a minister. I find that deplorable. Frankly, he is no different than Fred Phelps on the other side (the man who protests against homosexuality at the drop of a hat). They both are inciting division and hatred.

Oh, and as an aside, to the woman ratting off all the things she THINKS are for what the Tea Party stands, she is woefully misinformed. She did nothing but evidence how ignorant she is against a group that is none of those things. But she is a good little soldier for the DNC, accepting everything she has been told without question.

Next on the list of those being persecuted are Conservative groups by the IRS. Yes, we know they have been treated like disparately, and horribly when applying for tax-exempt status, but I am referring to those who already HAVE status. Yes, as it turns out, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of the groups flagged for audits were conservative (h/t Helenk). From the Wall Street Journal:

[…] On Tuesday, House Ways and Means Chairman Dave Camp (R., Mich.) said his committee’s continuing investigation has found that the IRS also singled out established conservative tax-exempt groups for audits.

“We now know that the IRS targeted not only right-leaning applicants, but also right-leaning groups that were already operating as 501(c)(4)s,” Mr. Camp said in a statement. “At Washington, DC’s direction, dozens of groups operating as 501(c)(4)s were flagged for IRS surveillance, including monitoring of the groups’ activities, websites and any other publicly available information. Of these groups, 83% were right-leaning. And of the groups the IRS selected for audit, 100% were right-leaning.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

If you think that the Democrats were as appalled by this, you would be sadly mistaken. They seem all too keen on continuing to use the IRS as their own, personal Mob. Sen. Schumer’s recent comments are indicative enough of that, but Sen. Levin made an incredibly dismissive remark regarding this very assertion by Camp. That is to say, don’t expect Democrats to stand up against what the IRS has become under this Administration. They have made clear where they stand:for persecution of groups who have the audacity to disagree with them. Somehow, that just does not seem like the American Way to me, but then again, I believe in supporting the Constitution and having checks and balances, so what do I know? Ahem.

Finally, Congresspeople heard testimony on Tuesday about the increased persecution of Christians. Now I know some might think that is an overblown claim, but it is one backed by the Pew Research Center. From WaPo:

[…] Smith, a New Jersey Republican, along with other U.S. House subcommittee members and various speakers gave testimony about religious hostilities against Christians worldwide. Speakers noted that religious persecution violates basic human rights.

Smith likened the persecution of Christians in Iraq to genocide.

“Christians remain the most persecuted group in the world and thus deserve special attention,” he said.

Elliott Abrams, senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, said that past administrations have not taken the issue of Christian persecution seriously enough.

“The system isn’t working properly,” said Abrams, who serves on the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. “It sends a message to other countries that we don’t care.”


Other countries such as Nigeria, Vietnam, Burma and Egypt are notorious for persecuting Christians. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

One need not be a Christian to be concerned that people are being murdered for their faith in countries around the world, predominantly Christians.

But it isn’t just Christians. Check out this disconcerting statistic:

[…] Across the six years that Pew has conducted the study, Christians were being harassed for their faith in 151 countries and Muslims in 135. Together they represent the world’s two largest religious groups and more than half of the world’s population.

Jews, who make up less than 1% of the world’s population, experienced religious persecution in 95 countries. Researchers also found an increase in religious harassment in countries where Hindus, Buddhists or followers of other traditional religions predominated.

“Among the world’s 25 most populous countries, Egypt, Indonesia, Russia, Pakistan and Burma (Myanmar) had the most restrictions on religion in 2012,” the report stated. Pakistan had the highest level of social hostilities involving religion, while Egypt had the highest level of government restrictions on religious practice, Pew found.[…] (Click here to read the rest.)

Clearly, this widespread persecution, not JUST of Christians but of other religious groups around the world is disturbing to me. But it should also be disturbing to Americans since our country was founded on religious liberty. As long as one’s faith is doing no harm to another, one should be free to practice that faith without fear of retribution.

At least that’s what I think. How about you? And consider this an Open Thread.

UPDATE: The Hill had an interesting article this morning to go along with this topic, “Vulnerable Dems want IRS to step up.” Despite their attempts to make their desire seem balanced, their intent seems pretty clear to me. They want the IRS to keep doing what it is doing: targeting Tea Party groups. From The Hill:

[…] In the wake of the IRS targeting scandal, the Democrats are publicly prodding the agency instead of lobbying them directly. They are also careful to say the IRS should treat conservative and liberal groups equally, but they’re concerned about an impending tidal wave of attack ads funded by GOP-allied organizations. Much of the funding for those groups is secret, in contrast to the donations lawmakers collect, which must be reported publicly.

One of the most powerful groups is Americans for Prosperity, funded by the billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch. It has already spent close to $30 million on ads attacking Democrats this election cycle.

“If they’re claiming the tax relief, the tax benefit to be a nonprofit for social relief or social justice, then that’s what they should be doing,” said Sen. Mark Begich (D), who faces a competitive race in Alaska. “If it’s to give them cover so they can do political activity, that’s abusing the tax code. And either side.”

Asked if the IRS should play a more active role policing political advocacy by groups that claim to be focused on social welfare, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) responded, “Absolutely.”

“Both on the left and the right,” she said. “As taxpayers, we should not be providing a write-off to groups to do political activity, and that’s exactly what we’re doing.”

She called the glut of political spending by self-described social welfare groups that qualify under section 501(c)(4) of the tax code “outrageous.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

I am so sure these same people are equally concerned about all of the organizations George Soros funds – not. Click HERE to see the massive list of all of his organizations. It is staggering sand highlights their hypocrisy even more. They really have no shame…


42 Responses to “Persecuted *Open Thread* UPDATED”

  1. insanitybytes22 Says:

    You’re awesome Rev Amy. I wish everybody, left, right, whatever, would set aside our political differences and just stand up for what’s right. We may disagree on the finer points of morality, but most of us are smart enough to understand that it is not okay to use the IRS to target people and not okay to racially disparage somebody like Scott because you don’t like his politics.

    As to Christians, oh boy, I think we may all want to watch ourselves. Morally, ethically, it’s probably better to be a homeless atheist than somebody wearing His uniform and acting like a fool.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks so much, Insanity! I appreciate that.

      And yes, what a different world it would be if people just acted with some basic integrity, and/or by the Golden Rule regardless of their faith or lack thereof (though agnosticism and atheism ARE faith stances).

      Can you imagine what our government would look like if that was the case? You sure as hell wouldn’t have people tolerating the IRS, arguably the most powerful department in the government for its reach on each citizen, being used as a bludgeon by the Fed. Gov’t. I cannot imagine this sort of thing being tolerated before, and I wonder what in the world has changed SO much that this is not defended and accepted by my former party. Dang – is THIS the “Change” Obama meant? Ahem.

  2. Katherine B. Says:

    I’m surprised Saudi Arabia isn’t more prominent on the list. Of course, they probably just don’t let Christians and Jews into their country at all, hence no persecution.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      You know, Katherine, I would not be surprised to learn that is the case. I had to look it up. Now, admittedly, this is Wikipedia, but still: Accurate religious demographics are difficult to obtain in Saudi Arabia[1] but while all citizens are considered Muslims by the state, there are believed to be at least several hundred thousand Christians living in the country, who do not possess citizenship.

      IOW, they aren’t really a part of Saudi Arabia, or not counted, so yeah – that’s how they get away with not being on the list. Good call!

  3. foxyladi14 Says:

    Awesome post Amy!! 🙂

  4. helenk3 Says:

    the royal marine in this story is extended family. my late son-in law’s nephew. when he was here, we went to NYC to meet him at the airport. when my grand daughter called and asked me what I had done that day, I explained I went to NYC and picked up a sailor. then put Brenden on the phone to confirm it. He did in that beautiful English voice. I adopted him as one of my grand children

  5. helenk3 Says:

    Derrick Jeeter announced he will retire at the end of this year.

  6. SSDD Says:

    I feel so much admiration and also so much sympathy for black conservatives. They catch so much hell from blacks who choose to stay on the Dem plantation and also from liberal whites who think that all blacks need to be on their side…cause only liberals care about black folks. I wish the majority of blacks could step back and see that the way liberals treat them is truly abhorrent. They just can’t seem to see the forest for the trees though…sigh.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yes, they really do, SSDD. It is infuriating that someone who has worked as hard as Scott has to get to where he is has been demeaned and belittled by Barber. And they do the same to people like Dr. Carson, someone else who climbed out of poverty through education (like Scott) to be one of the tops in his field in the world. I think people like Scott, Carson, West, et al, threaten their meme, so they HAVE to demonize them, and label them as mindless, etc., etc., lest others follow them out.

      And yeah, you’d think the ones in the DNC would wake up and see how patronizing the Dems are to them. Maybe some day…

  7. Katherine B. Says:

    Ray Nagin has been convicted on 20 of 21 counts of corruption. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. The report I read said his wife had to be consoled. Sure she does. There goes her meal ticket. She’s lucky she didn’t get caught up in it like Jesse Jackson Jr.’s wife. Power corrupts!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I jsut had to go check how other news sites were reporting this. Fox has it with a photo of Nagin, but both Yahoo and CNN have just a headline over on the side. Interesting that. Remember when Nagin was being all glorified after Katrina? Yeah – funny how those same people are keeping quiet now…

      Thanks for the update – and you are right abt the corruption of power…

    • foxyladi14 Says:

      Made my day. 😀

  8. helenk3 Says:

    Just Because this song is 90 years old today

  9. helenk3 Says:

    article makes you think

  10. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Recently the House report came out claiming forces weren’t close enough to help in Bnehgazi. Eric Bolling made the point maybe not for the Ambassador and Mike Smith, but surely for the other two. And never mind that we already know from the testimony of Gregory Hicks that a force HAD come to the airport, after being told not to wear their uniforms, and they were not called to Benghazi.

    Well, now the map of where the Navy had foces has been released. Oh, not through Congress, but by a retired Air Force Lt. Col. who requested it. It puts to a lie the claim there was nothing they could do:

  11. helenk3 Says:

    there does not seem to be enough of an outcry over this and there should be.

  12. helenk3 Says:

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out–
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out–
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out–
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.

    with all that is going on in today government I keep thinking of this poem

  13. helenk3 Says:

  14. helenk3 Says:

    this is good, hope it goes somewhere

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I am happy to say that all of the Reps. from SC – except for Jim Clyburn (predictably) – signed on to Rep. Wolf’s legislation.

  15. helenk3 Says:

    there are announcements and then there are announcements

  16. helenk3 Says:

    The Incredible LEGAL Immigrants

  17. helenk3 Says:

    stolen from a commenter at the crawdad hole

    gee and how many unions did the IRS target?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Since my PT is coming tomorrow, I have already done the post for tomorrow. Ironically, I mention something abt the Koch brothers, so this is timely!

      • justine Says:

        Hope your PT is going well, RRRA. You’ve been a brave, hard worker — we haven’t even heard a word of complaint, although I’m sure it has not been easy. Take care, Amy!

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Thanks so much, justine. I appreciate that!

          I’m not going to lie – it is a lot of hard work to recover from this, and I continue to do my PT twice a day (though I get to only do it once a day on Sundays and Wednesdays or Thursdays), which is still painful (and I gotta say, I don’t think this cold weather is helping any!). But, my PT said I am so beyond the curve that I am likely to be officially released tomorrow, so that makes me happy indeed! (It does make me wonder why I had to put up with that jackalope for so long and so many times a week when the nice young man I have now at most only came 2x a week, and hasn’t been here in almost two weeks.Typical.)

          I also got to stop wearing my brace for the ligament release last Tues. I realized how much it was helping with pain control in addition to the stability.

          Okay, so now I am thinking you regret saying what you did abt not “a word of complaint.” I realize it wasn’t an invitation TO complain, but there ya go – you got it anyway. AHAHAHAHAHAHA… 🙂

          Thanks for thinking of me!

  18. helenk3 Says:

    how many of the msm just laid down and willing gave up their freedom?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      This, too, is already in my post tomorrow, except it is just the study and my commentary. 🙂

  19. helenk3 Says:

    this is a very dangerous direction for this country to go

  20. helenk3 Says:

    I had to walk out of the room listening to bob beckle on the five.

    what is wrong with raising the standards of the poor schools instead of lowering the standards of the good schools?

    whether or not you like Christie, his comment that most American strive for excellence instead of mediocrity is a true statement.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Uh, yeah. That’s just it. Rather than pulling everyone DOWN, people are supposed to be pulled UP. Why people don’t get this is beyond me…

  21. helenk3 Says:

    again he don’t need no stinkin congress

    and the democrats think that is fine

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