There Are No Words, And There Are Plenty Of Words…*Open Thread*


I seem to be having a hard time streaming together words after reading the following article a friend had at Facebook from The Telegraph (UK). I warn you, this is not for the faint of heart. The headline says it all: Aborted babies incinerated to heat UK hospitals;The remains of more than 15,000 babies were incinerated as ‘clinical waste’ by hospitals in Britain with some used in ‘waste to energy’ plants :

The bodies of thousands of aborted and miscarried babies were incinerated as clinical waste, with some even used to heat hospitals, an investigation has found.

Ten NHS trusts have admitted burning foetal remains alongside other rubbish while two others used the bodies in ‘waste-to-energy’ plants which generate power for heat.

Last night the Department of Health issued an instant ban on the practice which health minister Dr Dan Poulter branded ‘totally unacceptable.’

At least 15,500 foetal remains were incinerated by 27 NHS trusts over the last two years alone, Channel 4’s Dispatches discovered. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Thank heavens this practice will be banned, but that it happened is emetic. Unbidden came flashes of the ovens in Nazi Germany when I saw this article. The sheer thought of this is abhorrent to me. And I say this as someone who believes women should have the choice within the first trimester to have safe, legal, and RARE abortions (personally, for the life of the mother, or in cases of rape or incest. To use abortion as a form of birth control is problematic for me.).

But let me back up just a bit and set the stage for this horrid news out of the UK. Recently, I posted the following on my Facebook page:

Once again, Blue Cross has denied payment for the CPM that was prescribed for me post-knee replacement. They did this last year, too. They required that my doctor send all of his surgical notes, which they, of course, lost the first time around, and EVENTUALLY, paid the amt due. That was far less than the amt due this time. As I told the agent, it isn’t like I ASKED for this machine to use just for the heck of it. UGH. Now the waiting game begins to see what they are going to do abt it

To which my Obot sister responded:

For-profit insurance companies are a racket anyways. They were raising prices 10 years ago, by 30% a year, to where my former employer could no longer afford to offer us health insurance at no cost to us employees. (He didn’t pay that much to begin with!) We need single-payer NOW. It works in Canada, the UK, NZ, and every other First-World country….

Sigh. Yes, the “single-payer” system is working SO well in the UK, isn’t it? And for this, there are PLENTY of words. The UK is STAGGERING under the weight of this program, and the care provided is decreasing, as this Telegraph article highlights:

[…] Patients’ groups have described the measures as “astonishingly brutal”.

An investigation by The Sunday Telegraph has uncovered widespread cuts planned across the NHS, many of which have already been agreed by senior health service officials. They include:

* Restrictions on some of the most basic and common operations, including hip and knee replacements, cataract surgery and orthodontic procedures.

* Plans to cut hundreds of thousands of pounds from budgets for the terminally ill, with dying cancer patients to be told to manage their own symptoms if their condition worsens at evenings or weekends.

* The closure of nursing homes for the elderly.

* A reduction in acute hospital beds, including those for the mentally ill, with targets to discourage GPs from sending patients to hospitals and reduce the number of people using accident and emergency departments.

* Tighter rationing of NHS funding for IVF treatment, and for surgery for obesity.

* Thousands of job losses at NHS hospitals, including 500 staff to go at a trust where cancer patients recently suffered delays in diagnosis and treatment because of staff shortages.

* Cost-cutting programmes in paediatric and maternity services, care of the elderly and services that provide respite breaks to long-term carers. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Oh, yes – things are just going along SWIMMINGLY in the UL and their Healthcare system. Ahem.

And just Monday, the Daily Caller had this article about Canada and ITS healthcare system, “Canadians wasted over $1 billion just waiting for health care.” Uh, yeah. We’re wasting a boatload of money on it, too, and we just freakin’ started. But here are some of the particulars about this:

[…]The Fraser Institute’s health care experts determined that the cost of waiting for care averaged $1,202 per person of the 928,120 Canadians who had to wait for treatment last year. The median wait time to see a health care provider in Canada is 9.6 weeks, up from 9.3 weeks in 2012. The queue for health care services in the single-payer nation has been lengthening since 2009.


The Fraser Institute found in January that 2013 saw almost 42,000 Canadians seek health care services in America as a result of the three-month waiting periods and lower quality care. (RELATED: Tens of thousands fled socialized Canadian medicine in 2013)

Canadians travel to the U.S. for health care due to “concerns about quality, seeking out more advanced healthcare facilities, higher tech medicine, or better outcomes.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

And there you have it. If Canadians come HERE for better healthcare at this point, just where the hell are WE going to go once Obamacare has taken hold? Even then, that would only be for those who can afford it. Great plan. Yep, just freakin’ awesome.

Which all leads me back to the Telegraph story at the top. Is this to what we have come now? Is this the kind of “recycling” we are willing to do? As the friend who alerted me tot his article noted, is this the new “green” way of dealing with “medical waste”? Is this to where this kind of healthcare system drives us?

So it would seem, but to all that is holy, I hope we are better than this. I pray we are. I pray we come to our senses BEFORE these things happen, and not after…

This is an Open Thread, friends.


13 Responses to “There Are No Words, And There Are Plenty Of Words…*Open Thread*”

  1. insanitybytes22 Says:

    Isn’t that just the most appalling story, Rev Amy? It took my words away, too. All I could think of was that old movie Soylent Green. Uhg, the complete inhumanity of it all. People as the ultimate commodity, recyclable green energy.

    I’m sorry about your healthcare problems. We’re really suffering, too. For the longest time I’ve been saying Obamacare has nothing to do with healthcare, it’s all about a wealth transfer and the destruction of our economy. I really want to be wrong. I’d like nothing better than to go sit in the corner with my tin foil hat and have people laugh at me for being such a conspiratress. Sadly, I’ve not yet seen a single thing to prove me wrong.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      It truly was. I was just speechless after reading it, and sorrowful. Yes, that’s the word. It literally hurt my soul to read what they were doing there.

      Thanks – it is just the continuation of decades of knee problems. But I have found Blue Cross in particular to be difficult with which to deal. Since our ins. is through my partner’s company, we have no say-so in who they choose, but yeah – it has been pretty tough with BC.

      And the thing is, I know I need to fight to get them to pay for this therapeutic aid prescribed by my ortho. But there are MANY people who don’t know they can, and would just go ahead and pay it. Aggravating that.

      You said it – it does seem like a wealth transfer, and is having a massive impact on our economy. Just astonishing.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    How sad is it that people are so obsessed with their ideology that they can see human beings used as heating fuel?

    And yes it does remind one of the ovens in concentration camps. Not because it is on that kind of a scale but because it takes a certain mindset to think such behavior is permissable in a civilized society.

    Our health care system was in need of corrections and “fixing”. With a good will from both political parties they could have done it. But politics trumped all and now we are locked in a bloody war on our right to “choose” our health care provider, doctor, and plan. And the Dems are still trumpeting the wonders of it all. Especially the evil Cruella DePelosi. I dont’ mention Harry Reid because anyone that doesn’t know what a POS he is hadn’t been paying attention.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Marge, you are absolutely right – and I should have said that. It is not the scale, but the mindset. I mean, really – WHO thinks that way? HOW do they think that way? It just boggles the mind that people could get there…

      Indeed, our health care system needs some help, but this was the totally wrong way to go abt it, especially since there are SO many things in the healthcare law that have nothing to do with healthcare, it is forcing citizens to buy a product whether they want it, need it (really, I don’t need birth control for a NUMBER of reasons), or can afford it, and so much more.

      But you hit the nail on the head abt the biggest problem with it – it is ALL political. Every bit of it is political, and none of those numbskulls thought to look at the impact of things like the medical device tax. Or how many doctors would be willing to be a part of a network. It was the sloppiest piece of legislation to come down the pike in some time, especially because it is such a MASSIVE part of our entire economy. Something of this magnitude needed sober deliberation, impact studies, and so much more. But above all, it should have been OPTIONAL, not mandatory, especially since it meant so many people losing their coverage, and leaving so many people WITHOUT coverage (38 million). UGH.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I worry about a country that does not revolt against a government that seeks to control their lives. Yes we need laws to protect us from those who seek to harm us. But we should not have laws that force us to do things we don’t want to do if it harms no one. Except perhaps our selves.

        And to add the IRS as enforcement of such a deeply unpopular law is, IMO, evil. And I don’t think that word is too strong for what the Democrats have wrought.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          As do I, Marge. And I concur with your assessment of what has been brought to bear on our country. As my contractors and I were discussing today at lunch, if a government can dictate to us on as personal a decision as our healthcare, forcing us to purchase things we neither need nor want, what ELSE will they decide to force us to buy? As one of the guys said, since they can tell us what ins. we must have, will they then start telling us what we must/not eat/drink as an extension of that? Where will it end?

          That is the slippery slope this very partisan, sneakily passed, constantly changing by the hand of one man, law is wreaking on our country. What is next?

  3. helenk3 Says:

    this has nothing to do with the news of the day, but I think it is awesome

  4. helenk3 Says:

    the story about the use of the babies, is one that really hits home for me. I lost 3 babies, they died in the womb and have to be aborted.I still think about them to this day and the thought that human beings could be that soulless to use babies as fuel just sickens me.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, Helen, I am so sorry for your losses. How very hard that must have been for you, and I am sure you do still think of them. Bless your heart…

      And yes – I cannot even begin to fathom how anyone would even consider using these fetuses for HEAT. That just defies any sense of human decency…

  5. helenk3 Says:

    900 person entourage – 45 vehicles – 3 cargo planes

    backtrack baggage to Belgium. Maybe we got lucky and he is planning to stay there.

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