All Fire(foxe)d Up *Weekend Open Thread*


Well, Mozilla has sure found itself in the news this week. As most of us know by now, Mozilla, pushed by an online gay dating site (OKCupid), essentially forced Brendan Eich, the CEO of Mozilla and one of its founders, out for exercising his First Amendment right in PRIVATE 6 years ago. His crime? He made a donation to the CA Proposition 8 campaign.

How DARE he make a personal choice and lawful contribution on an issue that, from all reports, had ZERO impact on ay gay people actually working at Mozilla. That is to say, his behavior at the company was not biased in any way whatsoever. Yet, under the guise of “tolerance,” this man has lost his job.


This reminds me so much of Paula Deen being forced out from the Food Network for something she said in private after being robbed at gunpoint. Never mind that the Food Network wasn’t even in existence then, or that the suit which contained this information was dismissed. The PC Police had spoken!

But what really gets me about all of this – even though I do not agree with the position Eich apparently held in 2008, is the sheer hypocrisy of the vast majority of people pushing for Eich’s ouster. I can guarantee you they were Obama supporters even though HE did not support same sex marriage in 2008. But that didn’t stop the overwhelming support from the majority of the LGBT community, nosirree.

Nor did that support waver when Obama appointed attorney Doug Kmiec to head up his Faith Tour. I wrote about this years ago when Obama made that appointment(“TWO-FER – Faith Tour AND Same Sex Marriage!“). Why? Because Doug Kmiec penned this article on June 13, 2008:”Should California amend its Constitution?” In case you are wondering, Kmeic’s answer was NO:

[…] The proponents of same-sex marriage insist that inventing gay and lesbian marriage harms no one, but the above concerns suggest otherwise. Moreover, it overlooks the national and global decline in fertility, which threatens the economies of Europe and contributes to the weakness of our own. To say, as its advocates do, that the availability of same-sex marriage is not the principal cause of this decline in terms of absolute numbers is a fair point, but giving state approval to non-procreative marriage cannot be denied as a contributing cause to the decline of families with natural children.

Separating marriage from procreation may also have other remote, but frightening, ill consequences. Society should be skeptical of wider use of asexual procreation. An earlier dark moment in U.S. history employed eugenics to forcibly sterilize the mentally disabled. The push for artificial wombs and the genetic manipulation of intelligence already peppers scientific literature – a push that would no doubt grow, accommodating even the minimal same-sex desire for simulating natural child birth – claimed to be of interest for 20-30 percent of same-sex couples. When carefully assessed, the acquisition of unnatural reproductive means often advances the interests of the very affluent through a libertarian exercise that would threaten all hope of democratic equality.

In a depopulating world, the claim that there is a universal right to marry regardless of gender becomes a frightening ally of a claimed universal right to access to genetically engineered children. People should reject this claim by returning traditional marriage to its rightful place. (Click here to read the rest.)

THIS is who Obama picked, out of ALL the people he could have chosen, including MINISTERS as opposed to an attorney.

But the Gay Community supported him anyway. And that’s what bugs the bejeezus out of me – the sheer hypocrisy of those whose demand for Eich to lose his job for a donation he made privately outside of the workplace. How’s THAT for tolerance, huh?

Friday night’s All Star panel had something to say about this whole episode
George Will and Charles Krauthammer:

“Sore winners,” indeed, it would seem. But yeah, the clip of Candidate Obama speaking out about his opposition to Same Sex marriage is startling given the insistence on walking in ideological lockstep now. And again, while you know I support it, Krauthammer does have a point that those who do not are now depicted as bigots. Everybody’s gotta think alike, y’all! Ahem.

Not only is the aforementioned (in the video) “Father” of Same Sex marriage Andrew Sullivan outraged by this move (you can read his piece here, h/t kenoshamarge), but so it Conservative out lesbian radio host Tammy Bruce. She was on Fox and Friends this morning and had a lot to say about this issue and the “Gay Gestapo.” She nails it:

Absolutely, this is tolerance masking as McCarthyism, and BOTH sides need to step up and not allow people’s First Amendment rights to be trampled by a small, but vocal, few who have determined how everyone must think in this country. Bruce is absolutely spot on, IMHO…

This is your Weekend Open Thread, but you know I am not going to leave you with something heavy like the above (McCarthyism masking as Tolerance and rampant hypocrisy). Nope – I have just the remedy to push that nasty taste out of your mouth. That would be what we will be doing Sunday afternoon:

I cannot WAIT to see these horses! So excited…

How about you? What’s on your schedule this weekend? Thoughts on the whole “Gay Gestapo” episode? What stories are piquing your interest today? Let’s hear it!

22 Responses to “All Fire(foxe)d Up *Weekend Open Thread*”

  1. insanitybytes22 Says:

    Amen, Rev Amy, the hypocrisy is just astounding.

    Some people are just buffoons who unconditionally and with zero awareness or wisdom, support all gay rights because they believe it’s politically fashionable and they want to get their self righteous bliss hits of moral superiority. Other people oppose all gay rights because they just want to get their little bliss hits of moral superiority.

    Then there are other people like me who hesitate, who plead for some wisdom, who beg for us to slow down, not out of hatred as the accusation usually goes, but because rushing head long into moral superiority is not always a good idea. Whose needs are we serving here? The problem with revoking people’s freedom, with regulating and mandating rules onto businesses, is that all of it can come back to bite you in the behind. It would be shame to exchange gay marriage for a loss of free speech, free association, freedom to run a business, freedom to practice your faith. People can screw up anything. In the blink of an eye, gays can find themselves as the business being forced to comply, as the ones being persecuted for their political contributions.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That’s exactly right, insanity – I think the Gay Gestapo is acting in such a way that a backlash against the GLBT community is likely. I HOPE it won’t happen, of course, but when you start targeting people’s livelihoods when they have done nothing illegal, and nothing more than voice their own opinion, then you are playing with fire.

      Heck, Eich’s free speech was private, no less – the only reason anyone knew was because the LA Times published the list of donors over $100.

      So yes, it can all be flipped around in a blink of an eye. It is just astonishing to see how quickly people who have been oppressed can turn it around as Marge notes below. Astonishing, and appalling…

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    I am so glad to see prominent members of the gay community like Bruce and Sullivan speaking out against this behavior. There will NEVER be a time when every one agrees with everyone on any issue. Is that a reason to lose your job? Should these people who don’t support gay marriage be forced to wear a colored star sewn onto their clothing so they can be easily identified?

    Funny how those who say they have been the victims of injustice want to pass that along to those that dare think differently.

    The thought police are alive and well. Considering the strides that Gay Marriage has made in the past few years I cannot see how “punishing” people who donated money to a cause that is all but defeated helps the cause. Sore Winners? Perhaps but hypocrites and enemies of free speech, and thought certainly.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I am, too, Marge. Even though I dislike Sullivan, it is particularly powerful coming from him since he is such a staunch defender of same-sex marriage.

      It truly boggles the mind that now people can lose their jobs, even when they helped create the business, because of a POLITICAL choice. Like I said above, this man committed NO crime. He supported a bill that actually PASSED!

      But it is that these same sanctimonious people supported Obama all that time until he conveniently changed his mind when the big gay donors were refusing to open their wallets that makes this behavior that much more suspect.

      You summed it up beautifully…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I don’t “like” Sullivan either. Not crazy about Tammy Bruce either – her flip-flop from staunch Hillary supporter to Obotery disgusted me.

        But if I do not acknowledge when they are right, and applaud them for it, then I am just as big a hypocrite. I don’t want to look in the mirror and see that. So I applaud where I think applause is deserved.

        I don’t always do or say the right things. I am from time to time guilty of hypocrisy and the mean-spirited discourse I abhor in others. The difference is that I see it, admit to it and try to do better for the good of my own soul.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Marge, I don’t follow Bruce regularly, and did not know she had succumbed to the Obot (read: Borg). That is disappointing. Ugh.

          But you raise a very good point abt them both, and acknowledging when someone we might usually disagree with raises a point with which we DO agree. It is important lest we become the hypocrites we deplore.

          And yes, we are all human, and we all fall short sometimes. I know I have, too – more often than I’d like to admit. But indeed, there is a HUGE difference between recognizing it and denying it. Being self-reflective is the key.

  3. helenk3 Says:

    Just Because

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      What an absolutely beautiful story, Helen. Wow. Their singing together was just amazing. This was some “Just Because.”

      A friend had this story at Facebook today:

  4. helenk3 Says:

    many in the gay community have become what they fought against.

    tolerance is a two way street

  5. cindyindie Says:

    Cuz—My computer’s still acting up—ugh!
    But, terrific, informative post!
    Does anyone remember one reason Prop 8 passed??
    The Obama camp had truckloads of blacks driving their get-out-the-vote campaign—and delivering every black voter they could find to the polls. Record black turnout…Only one problem…Approx. 80 %
    of black protestants are ANTI-Gay Marriage—oops!

    • cindyindie Says:

      And of course black churches are NEVER called-out and chastised for their ANTI-GAY stance….hmmmmmmm….wonder why?
      Oh, and neither are Muslims! They’re anti-gay as hell!
      So where’s that anti-Muslim and anti-black church
      demonstration/rally ????


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Cuz’n, that is an EXCELLENT point – Tucker Carlson mentioned that this morning (and people seem to forget that Prop 8 actually PASSED in CA), that the vast majority of blacks in CA voted FOR Prop 8. But yeah, you won’t hear a word abt that.

      And you sure as HELL won’t hear a word abt how anti-gay Muslims are. You won’t hear abt gays being put to death in Muslim countries. Oh, no. That would make them have to check their rhetoric against reality. THAT’S not gonna happen anytime soon…

      Sorry abt your crazy computer!!

      • cindyindie Says:

        The Tucker video froze up because of my computer–so I couldn’t watch–but GLAD Tucker mentioned the black vote!!

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Ugh, sorry to hear that, Cuz! And yes, glad he mentioned it.

          What is also incredible is that while the Gaystapo is forcing Eich out, where are the women’s groups on CAIR trying to get the “Honor Diaries” squashed?? Yeah. Crickets.

    • Katherine B. Says:

      I remember that 80% of the black community voted against gay marriage, but I also seem to remember that Barry made a last ditch robo call against Prop 8. Does anyone else remember that?

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Katherine, in the clip with George Will and Charles Krauthammer, there is a clip of Obama speaking abt his opposition to gay marriage, but not thinking it should be in the Constitution. So yeah, he may have opposed Prop 8, but he opposed SSM, too. And as noted, hired an AVID Prop 8 advocate to head up his Faith Tour (still don’t know why he picked an atty for that instead of a minister, but what do I know? Ahem…)…

  6. The Klown Says:

    I am a straight male who supports SSM and I voted against Prop 8, but I will no longer use Firefox or any other Mozilla product.

    Tolerance is a two-way street.

    Sooner or later the shoe will be on the other foot and the people who are cheering now will be the ones crying about how unfair it is.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      You said it, Klown. That is exactly of what I am afraid – the other shoe dropping.

      I am really frustrated by the professional GLBT people, too, who have clamored for tolerance and acceptance only to turn around and be so intolerant. It is exactly this kind of thing that drove me from the HRC (Human Rights Commission) after decades of membership. At this point it seems the power has gone to their heads, only they aren’t thinking things through.

      How quickly people forget what it’s like to be on the other side…

      I use Firefox too, and want to change. I am not keen abt using Google Chrome, though. Any suggestions? (That query is for everyone, btw!)

      • The Klown Says:

        I’m using Chrome and I wish I had switched sooner. I’m not real keen about Google either, but Chrome is very good and switching over is easy – you can transfer all your bookmarks and saved passwords with one click.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Good to know abt all the passwords and all. Thanks, Klown, I’ll give it a look!

  7. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    And speaking of people choosing new browsers now, seems Mozilla has gotten an EARFUL abt their choice to push Eich out:

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