“Free Speech For Me, But Not For Thee!” *Open Thread* UPDATED


Update appears at the end of the post.

That seems to be a recurring theme these days. It seems every day we are hearing about people who have made comments, often in private conversations, who must have their comeuppance no matter what for daring to have an opinion outside what has become sanctified political correctness. It is rather startling to see what happens to people who don’t toe the line. And I hasten to say, it is not that I agree with the offenders of Political Correctness in their beliefs, not at all. But while I may not like what they have to say, they have every right to say it.

For instance, we have the Donald Sterling case. As has been WIDELY reported, while having private conversations with his girlfriend, Sterling made some disturbing comments about race. Sterling has since been fined mightily, banned from the NBA, and is on the verge of having his gazillion dollar business sold out from under him against his will for those private comments. Never mind that the (ex) girlfriend taped the conversations, and likely broke the law by so doing. Since she exposed him, and one has to imagine she had an ulterior motive beyond a sense of social justice, she has not been held to account. Oh, and never mind that the racist Sterling was dating a woman of mixed heritage.

Then there are the twins, David and Jason Benham, who just lost their show on HGTV for comments they made unrelated to their show and a couple of years ago about gay people and Muslims. Now, obviously, I am not keen on people making homophobic comments, not at all. But this incident, along with the ouster of the Mozilla founder, Brendan Eich, about which I wrote recently for making a donation unrelated to his behavior at work, is troubling. And it is troubling in the same way it was when Paula Deen lost HER show on the Food Network for a comment she made after being robbed at gunpoint over 20 years ago before the Food Network even existed.

And of course, there was the recent brouhaha over Sec. Condoleeza Rice being invited to speak at Rutgers University. There was such a hue and cry by such a disproportionate few that Rice withdrew lest her appearance overshadow the joy and exultation of graduation.


But then we have these same kind of people having no problem with, say, a Satanic Mass at Harvard University. Yeppers, it is true. A “Black Mass” is being allowed at Harvard University, under the guise of “education.” From CBS News:

A reenactment of a Black Mass celebrating Satan is scheduled to take place at Harvard University on Monday evening. It has outraged the Catholic Church, but the group holding the event says it’s educational.

WBZ-TV reports the Harvard Extension Cultural Studies Club is hosting the Satanic Temple from New York. The Black Mass is scheduled for Monday night in the basement of Memorial Hall.

“It’s kind of troubling especially to Christians, but at the same time if they’re doing it for academic inquiry, this should be a safe place,” said Misan Oteri, student.

“It is still heavily offending a group. And, what’s the purpose?” student Farhad Dokhani said.

“Educational purposes definitely give you a reason to look into anything,” student Laureen Brady said. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Uh huh. You know, just because one can doesn’t mean one should. Sometimes, you just have to draw a line, and this may well have been one of those times, especially since the Catholic Church is mighty upset about this.

But see, that’s okay. They can have their Black Mass at Harvard, and while there is a petition drive to stop it, those promoting this Satanic mass justify it as “educational.” Ergo, no matter how offensive it might be to Christians everywhere, it’s all for expanding the minds of these young folks, you narrow-minded bigots you! But if you are conservative, the Harvard Crimson warns you to not even enroll there. The tolerance just oozes out, doesn’t it? Ahem.

And speaking of Education and being narrow-minded, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which I admit we used to support monthly (but not for a few years now), has come out and said anyone who opposes Common Core is a “far right extremist.” As far as the SPLC is concerned, they are a bunch of John Birchers, those intolerant, ignorant, right-wing Tea Party yahoos. How else to explain their opposition, right? Yeah, right. From the Daily Caller:

[…] “The disinformation campaign is being driven by the likes of Fox News, the John Birch Society, Tea Party factions, and the Christian Right,” the report declares. The SPLC also mentions “the Koch brothers,” of course.

The conspiracy theorists behind the SPLC report theorize that “the radical right” hopes to use opposition to Common Core as a proxy in a broader fight to terminate all public education for some 50 million schoolchildren in the United States. […]

Ya don’t say! Well, I am sure this will be a HUGE surprise to my very liberal cousin and many of her fellow Education professors who are ADAMNATLY opposed to Common Core. And they aren’t the only ones, as the DC states:

[…] The report largely ignores the large number of critics on the American political left, including the Chicago Teachers Union, who deplore Common Core because it mandates evermore standardized testing. It also largely ignores the complaints of a multitude of critics on the right, who oppose a technocratic takeover of public education that wrests education decisions out of the hands of local school boards and parents. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

How DARE those groups not toe the party line! Off with their proverbial heads! Bunch a right-wing lunatics! Sheesh!

Bottom line, what irks me is the sheer hypocrisy and double standard of those on the Left who demand tolerance repeatedly, and show blessed little to those with whom they disagree. But that seems to be their mantra, “Okay for me, but not for thee!”

At least that’s what I think. How about you? This is an Open Thread.

UPDATE: It turns out that after immense hue and cry over the proposed “Black Mass,” the site was moved off campus. From the Boston Globe:

A reenactment of satanic rituals known as a “black mass” that had been scheduled for Monday evening on the Harvard campus was abruptly canceled amid a chorus of condemnation from Catholic groups and university officials and students.

However, a scaled-down version of the event, without the original sponsorship of the Harvard Extension Cultural Studies Club, was apparently held late Monday by members of the New York-based Satanic Temple off campus, at the Hong Kong lounge in Harvard Square.


“The Harvard Extension School is grateful the student group has recognized the strong concerns expressed by members of the Harvard community and beyond,” Robert Neugeboren, dean of students and alumni affairs at the extension school, said after the decision was ade to find a new location.

In a statement later Monday evening, the cultural studies club said it was no longer sponsoring the mass after plans to hold it at the Middle East club in Central Square in Cambridge fell through.

The cultural studies club did not respond to an inquiry asking why it had decided to move the mass.

“The Satanic Temple has informed us that they will stage their own black mass ceremony at an undisclosed private location to ‘reaffirm their respect for the Satanic faith and to demonstrate that the most powerful response to offensive speech is to shame those who marginalize others by letting their own words and actions speak for themselves,’ ” the studies club said. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

A few things leap out at me about the information above. First is that good literally triumphed over evil. Thank heavens. That Harvard University even considered holding a Satanic mass on campus is simply unfathomable, and speaks to a larger issue in our society. That’s for another time.

Second is that this mass was led by a Satanic Temple, which to me puts to a lie the claim by the club sponsoring this that it was purely for educational purposes, blah, blah, blah. Liars.

Finally, the Satanic practitioners can spare me the sanctimony and “holier-than-thou” BS in claiming they were the recipients of “offensive speech…” When one is a practitioner of evil, you can’t really claim to be a victim in my book. But again, that’s just me. Call me intolerant if you wish. There are lines to be drawn in this world, and that is a BIG one.

What do you think?


52 Responses to ““Free Speech For Me, But Not For Thee!” *Open Thread* UPDATED”

  1. helenk3 Says:


    first amendment also died at benghazi

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good point, and it also died when the Federal Gov’t threatened the remaining agents from speaking abt their experience in Benghazi without fear of retribution. Hopefully, the Committee will be able to get to the bottom of that and ensure the Gov’t won’t retaliate against them like they did Gregory Hicks…

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I believe that the First Amendment was severely wounded at and after Benghazi – I don’t believe its dead. Yet. But it sure as hell is severely wounded.

      IMO as long as there are men like Trey Gowdy in congress it has a chance to survive. Until he proves me wrong he’s my knight in shining armor.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        You said it, Marge. And hopefully, Gowdy’s burning passion for our laws and Constitution will be an inspiration to others in this country to ensure the First Amendment, and others, not only survive, but thrive…

  2. helenk3 Says:

    what I am afraid of is that there will be such a backlash from the people that are fed up with the excesses and plain mean spirited of those in charge now that it look like the oliver cromwell days again. nobody gains from that

    • helenk3 Says:

      will look like

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I understand your concern. When the pendulum does swing – it has a tendency to swing too far. That is probably because it takes a lot to get the average citizen riled up enough to do anything. Hell most won’t even bother to go out to vote if it’s raining.

  3. helenk3 Says:


    as much as I can not stand bill mahr, he is right on this

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      No kidding. That’s the thing – how have we gotten to this place where someone’s BUSINESS can be taken from them if they do not conform to a certain mindset? In the case of Sterling, it is abt race, and certainly, none of us condones racism. But still – what will it be the next time? Who decides? It is a slippery, slippery slope (as Mark Cuban said in relation to this issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTWtRHZhFp4), and flies in the face of freedom of speech.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      He’s a rat. But even a rat can be right once in a while. I just feel the need to take a shower every time I find myself agreeing with him. He’s just so yucky!

  4. helenk3 Says:


    the left embraces blacklisting

  5. insanitybytes22 Says:

    “But while I may not like what they have to say, they have every right to say it. ”

    Oh amen, Rev Amy. I don’t really like the fact that I have been forced to defend people’s right to be bigots in the privacy of their own homes, but darn it all, there are bigger issues at stake here.

    We’ve forgotten some important lessons here when it comes to oppression and power. Some yahoo spewing venom off his back porch is not oppressing anybody, he’s exercising his God given right to express himself. It is actually not better to silence him because than he’ll watch what he says not because it’s what’s in his heart, but because he’s forced to comply. Oppression requires systemic power behind it. For example, it’s incredibly stupid to accuse people in a trailer park of being racist against the leader of the free world flying overhead in his private jet. Those on the ground haven’t got the power to oppress anybody.

    Needless to say, having your mistress secretly tape your private conversations for the purpose of destroying you professionally and financially is an even more bizarre and chaotic form of immorality than shooting off a few unkind words.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Very well said, insanity. And exactly – I don’t particularly care for having to defend some of these folks, but for heaven’s sake, they have the right to spew and be idiots as much as the next person. And if what people say in private can then impact their jobs, well, I imagine a whole BUNCH of folks could be in trouble.

      Can you imagine coming home talking abt what a jackalope your boss is only to have some enterprising neighbor tape you then send it to said boss and the media, thus getting you fired from your job because you had a bad day and didn’t filter every thing you said first? The way things are going, it just isn’t that farfetched anymore.

      I will never forget one of the best part s of the movie, “American President.” The president was talking abt how democracy is hard. It means having someone standing five feet away from you ranting and raving abt an issue that you have worked your whole life to push. That’s democracy, and that’s free speech – people being able to say what they want. If people don’t want to go to a Clippers game because this man (whom his ex wife is now saying might have dementia – THAT would explain some things) made some assholic comments, that’s the free market. Just like I wouldn’t have to watch the show by the Twins if I didn’t want to knowing how they feel abt certain people, or whatever.

      But this is just going too far. We have rights in this country, whether others agree with what we say or not. And you are absolutely right – some yahoo spewing some rhetoric on his back porch does not carry the same weight as the Senate Majority Leader attacking private citizens for their beliefs, for instance. Big, big difference.

      Great comment!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I agree 100% with both you RevAmy and insanitybytes22, I find myself very uncomfortable insisting that a bigot like Sterling has a right to speak. But if people we disagree with don’t have the right to speak then the First Amendment is meaningless.

        One or two or a few dozen bigots don’t worry me. A thousand, million, left wing thugs who seek to silence all who disagree with them does. A lot.

  6. helenk3 Says:

  7. helenk3 Says:


    if this is what is being taught in our colleges, this country is in deep shit

  8. helenk3 Says:


    why the 2014 elections are so important

  9. helenk3 Says:


    this was unexpected

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I’ll say. And now it would seem Clay Aiken will be the candidate, right? Sad, though – especially for Crisco’s family…

  10. helenk3 Says:


    why have any speakers at all. just show donald duck cartoons to fill in the time

  11. helenk3 Says:


    hillary’s henchman will guard the gates outside committee room.
    so called “truth squad”

  12. kenoshamarge Says:

    I almost always like a Debra Saunders column – I liked this one a lot. See what you think.

    Angry White Men — aka Journalists

    A poll released last week reported that 7 percent of American journalists say they are Republicans. The survey also found that the news force is aging, having a median age of 47. And 62 percent of journalists are men. A mere 8.5 percent of full-timers are minorities. Less than 1 in 4 are “very satisfied” with their job. In short, the profession that dubbed the Republican Party a refuge for “angry white men” is teeming with angry white men.

    The irony here is wasted on the ink-stained-wretch community.

    Indiana University has conducted this survey of more than 1,000 journalists every decade since 1971, so it measures changes in the industry. The 2002 survey reported that 18 percent of journalists identified as Republicans. At 7.1 percent last year, America’s newsrooms housed a lower percentage of Republicans than San Francisco (8.4 percent).

    No wonder conservatives don’t trust the media.

    Professors Lars Willnat and David Weaver also recorded the lowest showing of journalists who called themselves Democrats since 1971, when it was 35.5 percent. Now 28 percent say they are Democrats; half say they are independent; and 15 percent say they are “other.”

    more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/05/13/angry_white_men_–_aka_journalists_122614.html#ixzz31bKRn8OM

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Holy smokes, that is HUGE, Marge. And yeah, I think it gives a lot of credence to the biased media meme. Apparently, these “journalists” are projecting their whole “angry white man” thing.

      Thanks for the great read!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Ain’t it a hoot? All those quivering libs are getting most of their news from theAngry White Men they so love to denigrate. Irony writ large.

  13. foxyladi14 Says:

    Obama is man made just like Meth. 👿

  14. foxyladi14 Says:

    Great post and comments all.Thanks friends. ❤

  15. helenk3 Says:


    I have decided to use the write in vote for the Koch Brothers. in 2014 for house and senate and in 2016 for president and vice president.

    they seem to have so much control over everything that maybe they could get a lot done. clear out government agencies, stop global warming, bring peace in our time. cut taxes and spend less. they seem to be just what we need

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      What in the hell is in the water in the Senate?? How in the sam hill could the KOCH BROTHERS be to blame for the horribly mismanaged, CRIMINAL fraud going on in the VA?? That is just CRAZY!!!!

      But I like your idea. And yeah, if they really are THAT powerful, no doubt they could get a whole lot accomplished! 🙂

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      IMO Bernie Sanders hasn’t been playing with a full deck for most of his time in the Senate. The fact that he keeps getting elected only proves to me that a majority of voters in his state – that would be Vermont – are as crazy as he is.

      It saddens me that most of the east coast, where freedom began for America, now are the opposite of what they once were. Once stalwart and courageous – now grasping, greedy and parasites on the country that gives them every opportunity to be more.

  16. helenk3 Says:


    this is a must read article liberal privilege

  17. helenk3 Says:


    OH OH lindsey graham censure for being a rino

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Censure is fine and dandy – John McCain was censured too. But as long as they keep getting re-elected it means nothing.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Oh and JMO, but I believe that voting for someone because of “name recognition” is the stupidest reason to vote for anyone, anywhere, anytime. If that’s the only reason someone has to vote then the country would be better off if they stayed home and watched some idiot reality program.

  18. helenk3 Says:


    Russia to ban US from space station over ukraine sanctions.

    way to go backtrack, you killed our space program. Kennedy must be turning in his grave

  19. helenk3 Says:


    author of drone kill memo nominated for judge.

    now here is a guy to takes the term ” hanging judge” to a whole new level

  20. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Check out THIS Breaking News abt Rep. John Conyers: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/house-races/206018-conyers-fails-to-qualify-for-ballot

    Holy moley!!!

    • helenk3 Says:

      stole it

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        You’re welcome to it! I have to say, I am surprised by this, but maybe it is his, and his wife’s, ethical challenges that finally pushed people over the edge. Hey, it could happen, right? 😉

  21. helenk3 Says:


    Nigeria is ready to negotiate release of kidnapped girls ( maybe)

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      It will be interesting to see what happens, but it is a bit discouraging that they are willing to negotiate, especially if it means returning Boko Haram criminals, um, MEMBERS, back to the fold…

  22. helenk3 Says:


    why is this not a surprise

    holder says his dept of crime has no plans to investigate secret waiting lists and veteran deaths at VA hospitals

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      But of COURSE he doesn’t. That is just pitiful. There is something seriously wrong with him…

  23. helenk3 Says:

    here is the 2nd video of the white privilege conference. I would not want any teacher who went there teaching any kid

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      A (black) Facebook friend of mine had this video up today in regard to this conference. I thought it was incredibly powerful, and highlighted the RACISM of these “White Privilege” people:

  24. helenk3 Says:


    oh oh things not looking too good for dems

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