Finally Someone Who Is “Madder Than Hell!” Open Thread*


At long last, but unfortunately, it wasn’t Obama. Nope. Oh, Obama finally, FINALLY, addressed the, um, issues, with the VA on Wednesday. Obama still isn’t sure, dontcha know, and wants an investigation into the copious allegations about the poor care, the lengthy waiting lists, the secret waiting lists, the associated deaths, both from time and suicide, and on an on. Yep, Obama still needs some more information before he will acknowledge what was told to him back in 2008: there are major problems at the Veterans Administration.

And this is Obama’s response, from The Hill:

[…] “If these allegations prove to be true, it is dishonorable, it is disgraceful, and I will not tolerate it,” Obama said during a press conference Wednesday morning. The president met earlier in the day with Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki and Rob Nabors, a White House deputy chief of staff tasked with leading an internal investigation into the issue.

The president said he expects to receive initial results of that investigation next week and have the full review in hand sometime next month.
“We have to let the investigators do their job, and get to the bottom of what happened. Our veterans deserve to know the facts,” Obama said.

“Anyone found to have manipulated or falsified records at VA facilities has to be held accountable,” he added.

Obama acknowledged that “people are angry and want swift reckoning,” but largely defended the embattled Shinseki, whom Obama said had put his “heart and soul” into helping veterans.

The president repeatedly warned, however, that he was “going to make sure there is accountability through the system.”

“We are going to fix whatever is wrong, and so long as I have the privilege of serving as commander in chief, I’m going to keep on fighting to deliver the care and the benefits and the opportunities that you and your families deserve, now and for decades to come,” Obama said. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

“If…” “If these allegations prove true…” Uh huh. So all of the reports Obama has already gotten were not sufficient for him. He has to do some more investigating just to make sure all of those who have suffered under this system, even losing their lives, really did lose their lives, get substandard care, or no care at all.


Well, there are a couple of Democrats who really ARE “Madder than hell” about what is happening with the Veterans Administration. The Hill has reported that Representatives John Barrows and David Scott, both from Georgia, “are mad as hell and they aren’t taking it anymore.” Okay, that isn’t EXACTLY what they said, but neither one of them is happy with Shinseki or the VA, and not too keen on the way Obama has handled this, either. First to Rep. Barrow, from The Hill: […] “Unfortunately, this administration has fallen short in providing the kind of care that our veterans have earned. While I don’t think a change in leadership will immediately solve the serious problems that plague the VA, I do think it’s time to give someone else an opportunity to lead the agency and begin the rebuilding process to ensure these issues never happen again,” Barrow said in a statement. “Secretary Shinseki deserves the utmost respect for his service, but it’s time for someone new to get to the bottom of what’s happened on his watch.”

Rep. Scott had a WHOLE lot to say about what is going on, and Obama’s speech today. And despite his mispronunciation of Shinseki’s name, he was spot on:

Hell to the yes, they ARE precious, and should be treated accordingly by this Administration, and by the VA. Lip service just won’t cut it. Neither will the “outrage” Obama blandly expressed over this issue in his big speech:

Not for nothing, but you HAVE stood for this treatment of our veterans, and you HAVE “tolerated it” to continue under your watch for SIX YEARS now. So, yeah, you can get on to that whole “sacred trust” thing any time, Mr. President. And you cannot claim that you will “keep on fighting” for the veterans when you have allowed this gross mismanagement and fraud to continue UNDER YOUR WATCH. But thanks for playing.

Oh, and speaking of playing, a Facebook friend had this wonderful (ahem) video montage of how Obama is advised of major issues, like the VA Debacle, facing this country:

Wow. Doesn’t he have PEOPLE for this?? An entire cadre of people who prepare Daily Briefings for the President? Agencies who report TO the Executive Branch, LIKE the Veterans Administration?? Did the Inspector General NOT submit reports regarding the findings? Yeah, sure. That’s why the President has to find out what is happening in the country at the same time as the rest of us – he’s just hanging out in the Oval Office or on the golf course until someone tells him what happened in the news that day. Otherwise, he’s just as clueless as the rest of us, apparently. Well, that doesn’t sound like much of a “Commander in Chief,” and certainly not even a “Commander Of Competence.” Nope.

Yeah, I’m not putting a whole lot of stock into Obama’s forced umbrage at what has happened under his watch, and certainly not his claim that heads will roll. They haven’t yet at the IRS, or at State, or at HHS, or the DOJ, or any number of agencies that have had major scandals since he took office. I seriously doubt that trend will start now, though I would be happy to be wrong on that.

How about you? Thoughts on this or anything else going on welcome. This is an Open Thread.


78 Responses to “Finally Someone Who Is “Madder Than Hell!” Open Thread*”

  1. mcnorman Says:


    What playroom does ValJar keep him in? You know, where he has his sippy cup and all his other toys to play with while the world burns.

  2. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Well, this is some good news. Glad the House is showing some bipartisanship for a change:

    • mcnorman Says:

      What truly makes me sad is that having worked with that system, the laziness at the top is pervasive. There is a Napoleon complex that runs rampant. Everyone has territory and they mark it exclusively. Those at the bottom being blamed for this should not be. They were following directives. Notice, the top also got great bonuses for screwing the vets. They will state that they didn’t do anything directly. That is their safe zone. It’s wrong. The bottom did what they were told to do in order for the top to stay happy.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        mcnorman, thank you for sharing your experiences with this system. And yes, the bonuses for a “job well done” when these administrators intentionally put our vets health at risk is appalling. They must be held to account, though I don’t expect Obama to be the one to do it. He has already demonstrated he is incapable, or unwilling to do that. Heck, with Benghazi and Fast and Furious, the ones you’d expect to get their comeuppance got promoted instead. People like Gregory Hicks got demoted. Ugh.

        Have you written a post abt this, abt your experiences there? If so, I would love to see it!

        • mcnorman Says:

          I haven’t written anything about what I have witnessed firsthand. I feel that I owe it to my friends to not write about it because they are elderly and very much in need of their healthcare. I can tell you this…the local VA clinic does an incredible job at locating outside providers (no easy feat when you understand their payment system), to work with their patients. It is not enough, but since we live in an area where there are many in the rural areas, it helps them to not have to travel too far. They are severely short staffed, but they manage to get people moved through within a reasonable amount of time unlike the major facilities that are now under investigation.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            Oh, I totally understand that, mcnorman. Absolutely, their privacy must be protected, and their care, such as it is, provided. I didn’t know the particulars when I asked or else I wouldn’t have put you on the spot. πŸ™‚ Your friends are lucky to have you on their side!

            • mcnorman Says:

              No worries Rev Amy. What I have come to learn is that there are many who know quite a bit about the wrongs of what is done, but they cannot say anything lest they compromise their sources. We have seen how this administration will destroy those who speak the truth.

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    Great John Kass column about Obama’s big mouth and the VA scandal IMO. And if Obama was “madder than hell” he sure didn’t show it. He seemed more bored than angry. And of course he had to slip in an attack on the GOP about playing politics about this. He who never does anything else about anything.

    Obama’s talking points miss point on VA scandal,0,845075,full.column

    President “Windsock from Chicago”? That’s one I’m sure to steal. Although I was rather fond of “President Mommy Pants”.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Love John Kass. He was one of the VERY few journalists who tried to warn people abt what Obama was really like back in 2008, and has continued to speak the truth. Thanks so much for this, Marge!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I too love John Kass and have followed his columns for years.

        I also like to share things I think will interest others. Lord knows you’ve shared so much with me over time. None of us has the time, or the energy, to read everything so I find it helpful when people share good stuff they find with me.

        Helen is, of course, the champ!

  4. sassyminor Says:

    When Rep. Phil Roe was elected to Congress, he asked to serve on the House Committee on Veterans’ Affairs. There is a VA hospital in Johnson City, where Rep. Roe practiced medicine. In a recent guest editorial, he expressed his outrage about this scandal and his commitment to a full investigation. He also included these two paragraphs:
    “In East Tennessee, we are fortunate to have one of the best VA hospitals in the country, the James H. Quillen VA Medical Center in Mountain Home. The staff at Mountain Home is second to none, and I am proud of the care they give to veterans from the First District.
    “Just last November, they were named a leader in veterans’ care by The Joint Commission, a non-profit that evaluates more than 20,000 health care organizations. We must ensure that veterans nationwide have the same access to high quality care enjoyed by veterans in East Tennessee.”

    My point is that, assuming Rep. Roe is accurate, how is there such disparity in veterans’ care across the country? Obviously, case loads vary from region to region, particularly where there are military installations, but standards should be uniform. That definitely isn’t the case, and it’s past time for solutions, not scapegoats, imo.

  5. sassyminor Says:

    Amy, this is my last comment. Bless you heart, and thanks for all your patience over the years. As you well know, I will never succeed as a “yes” maam. Lol! I wanted to clarify that, since there are several “Sassy” users on the internet, and I’m surprised at times by what I didn’t say.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Hey, Sassy – are you saying this is your last comment at my blog? If so, sorry to ee you go.

      And I can appreciate that it is, um, enlightening to learn what “you” said on the internet. I imagine that is very frustrating indeed. Ugh.

      be well.

  6. helenk3 Says:

    and so it begins

    1–2β€”3– IT IS ALL RACISM

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      UGH. I thought of Rep. Clyburn this morning when I saw in my local paper that his alma mater, to which you have given money abt which you likely don’t know thanks to Clyburn, and which it misappropriated in a BIG way, the suspension of its attorney’s law license for his part in all of that. Nice, huh? Clyburn is such a piece of work – what an embarrassment he is.

  7. helenk3 Says:

    the head line says it all

    backtrackβ€”-the super hero of excuses

  8. helenk3 Says:

    backtrack bunch caught in another lie and it is a big one

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Ah, yes – the bailout for the ins. companies. You know, if news sites like the LA Times had bothered to go through the ACA bill/law, perhaps they would have noticed these kinds of underhanded aspects of it, and REPORTED ON IT. Sheesh! If they had done their JOBS, they would not be surprised one bit, is my point.

      And yes, like everything else Obama has said abt the ACA, he lied abt this, too…

  9. helenk3 Says:

    now this could get really interesting. people will do a lot for a million dollars

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That’s what I was thinking this morning when I heard abt this. That maybe this will make some people willing to come forward, and possibly lose their jobs as a result. We have seen how vindictive this Administration is, and I imagine they would be none too happy with a whistleblower on this. Hmm – time to make the popcorn?

  10. helenk3 Says:

    $8.8 million in bonuses paid at 7 veterans affairs centers

  11. helenk3 Says:

    the victim presidency

  12. helenk3 Says:

    Victor Davis Hanson sums up the backtrack ethics problems

  13. helenk3 Says:

    $2billion to make fed bldgs energy efficient on top of the $2 billion spent in 2011

    what the hell it is only money

  14. helenk3 Says:

    another graduation speech that should be heard

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Can’t wait to hear it – thanks so much for this!

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Wow, the welcome she got was telling, wasn’t it? Clearly, these people saw through the MSM and DNC’s attempts to distort her record, as well as not buy into their attacks on her character. Good for them. And LUCKY them to have her speak at their ceremony. Cool!

  15. helenk3 Says:

    reasons why backtrack didn’t dump shinseki

  16. Katherine B. Says:

    I watch FOX News because they report stories that the rest of the Lame Stream media won’t. I find it more than a bit disingenuous, therefore, that they haven’t reported on the arrest of their anchor, Gregg Jarrett. I looked all over their website and didn’t find a word. I even used the search engine on their site.

    Jarrett was arrested at an airport on Wednesday for a minor altercation with the police while drunk. According to a statement released by FOX, he has been off the air for a while having asked for time off to deal with personal reasons. As a member of the news media, he apparently gets to keep his personal reasons secret.

    I saw Jarret on air a while ago and I was astonished that he was slurring his words and seemed unable to follow what his co-anchor at the time was saying. I couldn’t quite believe what I was seeing, but I also couldn’t quite make myself think he was actually drunk on air.

    So, FOX NEWS, when are you going to report on this?

  17. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Mr. Executive Order strikes again:

  18. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    And more bipartisanship from the House. Abt time, and this is a good one:

  19. helenk3 Says:

    you gotta love ted cruz

  20. helenk3 Says:

    isn’t this just peachy

    al qaeda terrorists at gitmo get better treatment then our vets

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      This is just reprehensible. Truly.

      The priorities of this Administration are just completely whacked out.

  21. helenk3 Says:

    video of the everything we can administration

  22. helenk3 Says:

    OH OH caught again

  23. helenk3 Says:

    33 dems opposed bill to make VA bureaucrats easier to fire


  24. helenk3 Says:

    schumer threatens boehner
    you have 6 weeks to pass amnesty or backtrack will start issuing executive orders

    I am thinking about starting a fund raising drive everyone contribute 1 penny to move the whole democratic party to Mexico. I think they would be a lot happier there

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I think WE would be a lot happier if they were there! πŸ™‚

      I just do not understand what these elected officials were doing when they swore an OATH to uphold the Constitution and our laws. Did they cross their fingers or something? I mean, really – the President does not make law. He does not. He cannot throw open wide the borders just because he wants to do so (for votes, no doubt).

      It is truly astonishing. But WHEN are these people going to be held accountable for their lawlessness, I have to ask? It is astonishing.

      • helenk3 Says:

        you have heard of the march of dimes to get rid of polit.
        well this will be the parade of pennies to get rid of government corruption

  25. helenk3 Says:

    start young to teach them to be good slaves

  26. helenk3 Says:

    check out the timeline

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      If Issa is correct that they were looking at YOUTUBE during the attack to find a fall guy, someone needs to tell me how this is NOT dereliction of duty, and thus an impeachable act.

      They SHOULD have been meeting in the Sit Room to find out what resources were available to fight back against the terrorists, and get our people the hell out of there.

      I swear, when I think back on how bad I thought Bush was, and OH, did I rail against him, by comparison, he was SO, SO much better than Obama. One thing for sure, there is no WAY Bush would not have sent help, or waited WEEKS to send in the FBI, or APOLOGIZED to Pakistan, or go before the UN and proclaim that it is UNACCEPTABLE to criticize the Prophet Muhammad after Americans were killed by Islamist extremists, or jailed some guy for a video (free speech? What free speech?), or likely even left those people there in the FIRST place when the terrorists were ramping up the violence.

      So, yeah – while, like Marge, I did NOT agree with the Iraq War, and opposed a number of things Bush did, one thing you have to give the man – he would have gone in guns blazing to protect those folks and get them out of there.

  27. helenk3 Says:

    DOJ admits fast and furious docs should be released,
    Judicilal Watch had requested the docs. If they are released it will just add to the ungodly mess this administration has been since 2008

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Okay, bad enough that Obama hasn’t been impeached yet, but why hasn’t HOLDER??? He clearly selects which laws he wants to enforce, which requests he wants to fulfill, and consistently stonewalls on the big issues. Oh, and he promotes people like the overseers of Fast and Furious rather than canning them.

      What a mess Obama and his minions have made of this country in SUCH a short amt of time…

  28. helenk3 Says:

    backtrack is going to be ” so mad” when he reads about this
    nothing done on IRS scandal after all this time

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, yeah – he might have to go play another round of golf to get over it!

  29. helenk3 Says:

    more than energy to worry about in this alliance

  30. helenk3 Says:

    senator bernie sanders kills bill that would make it easier to fire VA workers. government union owned maybe?

    • helenk3 Says:

      the senate had time to send a letter to the NFL to change the name of the Washington Redskins. Nice to see they have their priorities straight

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Can you believe that crap?? With ALL that is going on in the country right now, the Democrats insist on focusing on matters that are SO low on the To Do List it isn’t even funny. I am so, so sick of this PC-ness run amok. Next they’ll start in on the Braves, and that will REALLY piss me off.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      He is such a nutjob, that Sanders. Ugh.

  31. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Tuesday night, CBS had a “Salute to the Troops” program where they matched up a Country singer with someone from within one of the branches to sing along with them. It was extremely well done, and we have some amazingly talented people serving our nation.

    Well, one song was new for that night, and it was written/performed by Carrie Underwood. With Memorial Day coming up, it seems appropriate (and a nice break from the crap coming from DC):

  32. helenk3 Says:

    what a sleeze

  33. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    mcnorman, I hope you see this down here!

    I am sure you are right. People don’t want to divulge their sources, and people who are suffering are likely afraid they will lose what services they get as a result of this incredibly vindictive Administration.

    I heard Ollie North say this morning he had to go to Johns Hopkins for his cancer treatment because it was going to take 7 months before he could get it at the VA. That is a LONG time when you are talking cancer. He is having a show on Sat. on the Fox Business channel where he will be reading stories from veterans abt their care (whether one likes him or not, what he is doing is worthy by getting these stories out there).

    • mcnorman Says:

      If I could, I would add to those stories. I heard a vet comment today about how the top never gets a cleaning and that is where it is desperately needed.

  34. helenk3 Says:

    my son is coming today and we are going to start packing up the house. if I don’t comment before your vacation have a great time. When i get settled in Fla I will be back.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      We’ll miss you Helen. Hope all goes well with the move.

      I would love to move to Tennessee, where the winters are little less harsh than here in Wisconsin but still much like parts of Wisconsin. But everytime I think about packing up everything in this house, I sit down til the feeling goes away.

      Good luck girl!

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Yes, we will miss you!

        I hope you have an easy move, and that your relocation goes well. And I am delighted you will be back on the East Coast! Next time we head to FL, we’ll have to get together!

        Marge, we have dear friends who live in TN, and they love it (no state income tax, either). You do have a nice state, though – lovely!

        And I totally understand abt the packing. We are putting our house on the market once we get back, too. We need more space (1 1/2 acres aren’t enough when you have wealthy rednecks next door with their new cement pond and tons of loud, partying relatives. So we are giving up our dream home, which we built, to get away from them. Both breaks my heart and makes me angry, all at the same time…).

        Anyway – Helen, be safe, hope all goes well!

    • mcnorman Says:

      Stay safe.

  35. kenoshamarge Says:

    I am a very big Jonah Goldberg fan – even when I don’t agree with him I like his style of writing. The whimsey and whit and hint of humor in every column is something I find appealing. Not to mention his intellect and knowledge.

    Here’s a column I found interesting and funny. Hope you do too.

    Hillary’s Dilemma: How To Distance Herself From Obama

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      This was in our paper today, Marge – very good article. I like Goldberg, too. He is also VERY funny. He routinely cracks Kirsten Powers up when they are on Special Report together. πŸ™‚

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