You Know It Is Bad When… *Open Thread* *Updated*

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Update at the end of the post.

Far Left US Senator of Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren, is calling on Obama to do something already about ISIS.

Yes, the woman who claims to be the “intellectual foundation” for Occupy Wall Street (in case you want to know who to blame), the darling of the hip crowd, is jumping on the “Take Out ISIS” bandwagon. No, really, she is. From The Hill:

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) on Wednesday said that the Obama administration should make defeating the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) its top priority.

“ISIS is growing in strength. It has money, it has organization, it has the capacity to inflict real damage. So when we think about a response we have to think about how to destroy that,” Warren told Yahoo’s Katie Couric.
Warren agreed that “time is of the essence.”

“We need to be working now, full-speed ahead, with other countries, to destroy ISIS. That should be our No. 1 priority,” she said in a wide-ranging interview promoting her latest book, A Fighting Chance.

No one is more surprised than I am to agree with Warren. We need to be doing far, far more than we are against this global threat. And we need a FAR different attitude toward them than this response from Obama on Wednesday:

President Obama said earlier in the day from Estonia that the U.S. would “degrade and destroy” the terrorist group. But later he said the country should work with allies to “shrink” the group’s “sphere of influence,” effectively making it a “manageable problem.”

But just in case you thought Warren was maybe taking a real stand against Obama’s wishy-washy flip-flopping, the answer would be NO:

Warren deflected a question on whether Obama has been too cautious in his strategy to combat the Islamic terrorist group and pushed back on potentially broader unilateral action. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

I mean, really – you cannot expect her to have that much of a spine, can you?

But she is right that we need to be going full speed ahead, especially with the revelation that ISIS is already in the United States, both with home-grown terrorists, and those coming across the border from Mexico. Oh, this isn’t just hyperbole on my part. It is true, at least according to this former CIA operative:

Just a tad disconcerting, but it is precisely what many of us have been saying: terrorists are coming into our country through the open border courtesy of President Obama’s policy.

But one of the biggest problems in dealing with ISIS is an issue Charles Krauthammer raised on Special Report. That is, Obama’s complete and utter refusal to utter the word, “Islamic.” From the Daily Caller:

[…] Krauthammer appeared on Fox News’ “Special Report” Wednesday, discussing a new statement put out by the United Arab Emirates that condemned “Islamic extremism” in the Middle East.

“What’s striking to me is that the UAE is not afraid to say ‘Islamic extremism,’” he said. “The president is! He called it ‘extremism’ — in fact, earlier in the show you showed our counterterrorism, our top guy, called Olson. And he said, ‘ISIS now is looking to outpace al-Qaida as the leader of the global extremist movement.’”

“He cannot bring himself to say ‘Islamic!’” Krauthammer charged. “For God’s sake, ISIS calls ITSELF the Islamic State. And yet we are so politically correct we don’t want to use the term ‘Islamic,’ lest it be a slur on a great religion.” (Click here to read the rest.)

Krauthammer has it precisely right. When the President cannot bring himself to even speak the term that describes these barbaric, bloodthirsty Islamic extremists, it will be mighty hard for us to even “manage” them, don’t you think?

Of course, Warren isn’t the only one jumping on this bandwagon. A whole bunch of Democrats who are facing tough re-elections are coming out of the wood work to speak out about ISIS and what the USA needs to be doing. From Newsmax:

Sen. Al Franken of Minnesota has written to Attorney General Eric Holder, saying he was “troubled” that the administration is struggling to find a military solution to the terror organization, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

Following Obama’s statement that he doesn’t yet have a strategy on air strikes in Syria, Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia called on the White House to come up with a comprehensive plan to eradicate the jihadist extremists.

And Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire ripped into Obama’s remarks that he plans to turn ISIS into a “manageable problem,” Politico reported. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Uh huh. Too bad these same people don’t speak out against Obama as much when their own political careers aren’t on the line. Typical. Just typical.

As I have said numerous times, it is far past time COUNTRY trumped PARTY. In that vein, I think Branco says it all in this latest cartoon from Legal Insurrection:

hard choice

And there ya have it.

Lots more going on today, including unbelievably offensive statements from Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the CHAIR of the DNC making unfounded, outrageous, ad hominem attacks against Governor Scott Walker (Kenoshamarge had some great comments on this very topic in yesterday’s post), Obama and Cameron standing together, all kinds of stuff. Feel free to talk about any and all of it here.

UPDATE: Since Obama has trouble even saying the word, “Islamic,” and seems to have a hard time admitting that groups like ISIs/ISIL are indeed Islamic, a friend provided a video that might just be helpful to the President. In fact, it is directed to the President to help him gain some understanding:

Brother Rachid has received death threats for his commentary, hence why he does not reveal his last name.

Anyway, I thought this was timely, and informative. Hope you find it to be so, too.

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31 Responses to “You Know It Is Bad When… *Open Thread* *Updated*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Once again cartoonist Branco nailed the issue. I have become quite disenchanted with my congress critter of late, that would be Paul Ryan. But I’ll vote for him in the hope that he will remember from time to time that he represents the people of the USA not the criminals sneaking across our border and breaking our laws.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yes, Branco certainly did – I cannot pray enough that Harry Reid gets knocked out of his Majority Seat.

      I understand abt Ryan. I hope, too, that he remembers the people who elected him, and the laws he is supposed to serve. I was really hoping he wasn’t going to be one of those who cared more for his political career than the country. Hopefully, he will get on track.

  2. Katherine B Says:

    A bit of a busy day for me so won’t be able to check in that much, but I have a question for you, Rev. Amy: Why do people so mindlessly parrot the statement that Islam is a great religion. As far as I know, it was a religion spread by the sword, promulgated by a pedophile and continues to this day to indulge in barbaric acts that offend civilized society. You’ve studied religion in a formal structured way, Just what is there about Islam that makes people say it is a great religion?

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I’d also be interested in hearing an answer to your question since I have wondered much the same thing.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Hey, Katherine, and Marge –

      Um, good question!

      I have studied Islam, of course, and it is considered one of the “Great Religions” in no small part to the number of adherents it has. It is included with the other major religions classified as “great”: Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism.

      In its best form, its basis is in Judaism and Christianity. In theory, Islam views many of the Judaic prophets as prophets including Jesus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam (hope using Wikipedia isn’t too much of a cop-out, but it is short, and to the point).

      Like any religion, the teachings can be taken to an extreme by some of its practitioners. The interpretations by imams makes a difference, like it does with any religious leader. Add in Sharia Law that is practiced by many, but not all, Muslims, and it adds another layer. Those things can lead to the barbaric acts you mentioned.

      There are definitely moderate Muslims, and many do not support the kind of barbarism we are seeing from ISIS. Unfortunately, they are not as public or vocal. And it does seem there are pockets of this kind of thing all over (have you seen the latest news abt a woman beheaded in LONDON today? A friend had this on Facebook: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/04/man-in-custody-after-woman-found-beheaded-in-london/)

      If you get a chance to watch the video, it helps explain some things. One of the points Brother Rachid makes is the need to separate the religion from the state. But when you have groups like ISIS that want to establish a Caliphate, it makes it more complicated.

      Anyway, I know I have just barely touched the tip of the iceberg with this, but it is a complicated issue with many moving parts to it in terms of both religion and politics, and they are often intertwined.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Here’s more on the political aspects of Islam, which, according to the article, started in the days of Muhammad himself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_aspects_of_Islam

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Thanks for the response Rev. It helped some. I have read some about Islam in an attempt to understand why they are all so angry and why they act like murdering barbarians. I don’t understand and think perhaps I never will.

        Much of my problem with Islam is that they try, for the most part, to combine religion and government. Not a good idea anywhere IMHO.

        Then you have the secular bunch in our country that tries not only to separate church and state but to take our right of freedom of religion from us. Funny how those are mostly the same folks that make all kinds of excuses for Islam.

        It is all very confusing and disturbing.

        • Katherine B Says:

          I consider myself part of the “secular bunch” and I don’t want to take anyone’s freedom of religion from them. I also don’t want to have anyone’s religious beliefs imposed on me.

          As for Islam, I had the opportunity to work briefly with Ibn Waraq, a pseudonym for a former Moslem writer. He has to use a phony name because of all the death threats he has received for his writings which are highly critical of Islam. It seems to me that Islam is a highly intolerant religion, willing to kill or threaten to kill those who do not agree with them. Not that other religions haven’t had periods in their history when they did the same thing, i.e. the Inquisition. Islam seems not to have evolved at all. I’ve known people who have called for a Reformation in Islam but I don’t think that’s going to happen anytime soon.

          • kenoshamarge Says:

            I was referring to the “secular bunch” that wants to force people to do things against their conscience and religious beliefs – I don’t think that describes you.

            I don’t want anyone to force their religious beliefs forced on anyone either. There is a balance and under the Dems I don’t think it is being met.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Glad it helped a little – it is very complex, but yes, I think one of the big problems is the combination of the religion and political ideology into a state.

          There does seem to be a tremendous amt of anger, though. And I am not sure from where that stems.

          When I worked as a chaplain in a big university in the northeast, the Jewish chaplain told me then (and this was a couple decades ago) that Islam was going to become the largest religion in the world. Considering the way ISIS is going abt it, that is a scary thought indeed if that is representative of what we can expect. But considering the countries for whom Islam is interconnected, groups like Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, et al., that doesn’t seem too far-fetched.

          Katherine, that is fascinating abt the writer with whom you worked. It is telling indeed how quickly the death threats come out. If I recall correctly, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is STILL living under death threats. Just astonishing.

          True that some of the other great religions have had periods when they operated in a barbaric manner, but yeah – that was CENTURIES ago, and they don’t do that kind of thing anymore. They have, as you noted, evolved. And that is a huge difference.

          I honestly do not know why there is so much anger, so many demands, so many threats, and why we give in to so many demands, or act as if Islam is more deserving of respect than other religions (I am thinking of instances like when the military burned Korans that had been defaced, and were used for transmitting messages between terrorists who were being held. The soldiers got into a BOATLOAD of trouble for that, EVEN THOUGH burning is an acceptable means of disposing of Korans that have been defaced. That is but one incident among MANY in which we have capitulated to their demands that their religion be treated more specially than we treat others.). I don’t get it. All should be treated the same, but for some reason, we continue to give in, give in, give in. It has given them a tremendous amt of political power, it seems.

          Anyway – thank you for the question. Clearly this is a topic of interest and concern. but with few easy answers. As you know, I have complained a lot abt our gov’t giving in so much to the same types of people who attacked us. It makes ZERO sense to me, yet we continue to do so. Even now, with Obama thinking he can “MANAGE” bloodthirsty terrorists, as if those kinds of people can BE managed. Just boggles the mind…

          I hope we have not dug ourselves into a hole out of which we cannot get – it will take a strong leader to get us out, and that we do not have…

  3. Katherine B Says:

    I just read a headline that said Cameron was preparing for British air strikes against ISIS in Iraq and Syria in a couple of weeks. The comparison between David Cameron and Obama is pathetic. I wonder what our allies REALLY think of Obama.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Well, Cameron is demonstrating what a REAL leader looks, and ACTS, like. The difference between the two is stunning. I mean, really – look at Cameron’s speech the other day, then at Obama’s in his summer suit, as well as the listless, lifeless, speech he gave yesterday. It was as if Eeyore was speaking, “justice will be done…” It was crazy. WOW.

  4. HELENK3 Says:

    tomorrow night at 10pm interview with 3 people on the ground at Benghazi.wrote book 13 hours at Benghazi soon to be released. snippets being shown today on special report. it is a must see

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thank you for the heads up. I saw on Bret Baier’s Facebook feed that he is doing a special tomorrow night on Benghazi. I would say that is a Not To Be Missed kind of thing!

  5. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Katherine and Marge, it seems that a panel on CNN just had a conversation abt Islam and how violent it is. Seems they agreed that yes, it is more violent than other religions: http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/04/cnns-don-lemon-is-islam-a-more-violent-religion-than-other-faiths-video/

  6. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    DWS has apologized for her remarks abt Gov. Walker. Way too little way too late, Debbie: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/216679-dnc-chairwoman-apologizes-for-back-of-hand-remark

    The Five discussed this tonight. Dana Perino said that Walker has done a LOT on domestic violence in his state, including increasing shelters for women. It makes DWS’s comments that much more egregious.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      DWS’s remarks were despicable! But her remarks often are. This time she went far enough that it backfired on her. Usually she just runs her mouth and moves on the the media allows her to do so. This time not so much.

      Scott Walker is a decent man and to imply that he’s some kind of abuser to women is going way over the line. I proudly voted for him twice and will do so again.

      Mary Burke is a Doyle retread and a lying POS. I cannot believe that Wisconsin wants to go backwards but then I didn’t believe that the Dems would go through with their recall either. Or the constant misuse of the law ever since. They are, IMO, really obsessed, corrupt and downright ugly. This is what they have become. This is why I will, although not happy with Paul Ryan vote for him because every vote for a Republican is a vote against a Democrat. And that’s necessary.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        You are so right – I cannot believe the things that come out of her mouth. Her implication that Walker was abusive completely overshadowed that she referred to him as a Tea Party extremist. EXTREMIST – seriously? Why doesn’t she save that for actual extremists?!?

        And yes, Walker seems like a good, solid man. Should he run for president, I would GLADLY give him my vote. He would help get this nation back on track.

        I think that’s what scares the bejeezus out of the Dems. Their choice of candidate against him is telling, too. I hope Walker has a resounding win…

        I hear you abt Ryan, and you are absolutely right, too.

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          Sometimes we have to make choices that we are not comfortable with. But make them we must. I cannot just “sit” it out. I’ve always felt that my vote was my right to complain thereafter. I have also always felt that those that do not vote may have the “right” to complain but that they are hypocrites to do so. Part of that old “sixties” rhetoric that has stayed with me – “If you ain’t part of the solution – you’re part of the problem.” Then I see voters who have no idea what is going on in the country, let alone the world, and I wonder…

          Funny how I once believed that if I lived this long life would get easier and all my choices would be made. What a fool I was.

  7. HELENK3 Says:

    part of the interview of the 3 men on the ground at Benghazi.
    will be on FOX tonight at 10pm

  8. HELENK3 Says:

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/09/ringo-starr-eric-holder-elizabeth-warren-and-admiral-farragut.php

    thought you would find this interesting

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Absolutely – great article. Thanks, Helen! This whole thing with Holder is clearly political. This is a man who has used the full weight of his office to target political opponents, and to suck up to political supporters. It is reprehensible. He has thoroughly disgraced his office.

      And Warren – yes, she is a huge fake, and I cannot believe the people of MA voted this woman in and that people are talking abt her possibly being a presidential candidate. Absurd.

      Good for Ringo!!

  9. cindyindie Says:

    Great post, Cuz—Love your opener…”you know it’s bad when Elizabeth Warren is calling on Obama to do something about ISIS!!”
    Indeed!
    I couldn’t believe my ears when I heard that story!

    Btw, has anyone else besides me wondered if maybe it was ISIS that was behind the murders in Benghazi? Has that been mentioned as a possibility?

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