Relying On “The Nobleness Of Another Person,” And Atonement *Open Thread*


Our daily paper, the Post and Courier, always has a “Thought For Today” on page 2. I was struck by the one for today by Willa Cather: “No one can build his security upon the nobleness of another person.”

There are a number of ways to interpret this, but I could not help but be struck the thought that this is PRECISELY what we are called upon to do with our elected officials every day. Every day. Whether it be the Ebola case in the United States causing concern or the emerging revelations about choices our President has made regarding our security and why, we constantly have to rely upon the “nobleness of another person.” Clearly, as ISIS marches on, as Islamic radicals continue to march on even here, security is definitely a concern.

And one of the emerging revelations is from former CIA Director and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta about choices Obama made with Iraq. What Panetta has revealed in his memoir, “Worthy Points,” is troubling indeed. From Fox News:

[…] In them, Panetta explained that Iraqi leaders privately wanted some U.S. forces to stay behind after the formal 2011 withdrawal, though they would not say so publicly. The former secretary, though, said the U.S. had “leverage” to strike a deal, and the Defense and State departments tried to do exactly that.

“But,” he wrote, “the President’s team at the White House pushed back, and the differences occasionally became heated. … and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests.”

He said the negotiations with then-Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki went down to the wire in December 2011, but the White House never stepped up.

“To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them,” Panetta charged. “Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away.” (Click here to read the rest.)[…]

This is certainly not what we have been told by our government, is it? No, not even close. It was all politics, it appears, as Megyn Kelly makes clear in her discussion with State Department Spkesweasel, Jen Psaki:

Wow, Kelly most definitely got to the bottom of this, and exposed the doublespeak this Administration has employed for Obama to do what he wanted, not what was right for the country. That is telling indeed.

And Obama is the person on whose “nobleness” we rely to do what is right for us. The person who the nation chose to lead us. But his leadership has been lacking, especially as he has chosen to blame others, like al-Maliki, or the Intelligence Community, or just Thursday, Fox News.

On the latter point, Greta van Susteren made this excellent point:

“Act Presidential” is a spot on recommendation, and one that, sadly, could be said to President Obama on any number of occasions. “Act Presidential” could just as well be, “Act Nobly”: take responsibility, don’t try and shift blame, do what is best for the many regardless of party identification or ideology, act in a manner befitting the office you hold.

If Obama needs an example, perhaps he could stand to watch a little more Greta van Susteren on Fox, and see how a true leader acts. That would be Benjamin Netanyahu in this one-on-one discussion van Susteren had with Netanyahu on Thursday:

Now THAT is a leader who cares about the security of all of his people without apology. Clearly, his concern is for the well being of his people, and their protection from those who wish to destroy them. That would be Islamic extremists who currently are on the march in Iraq due to Obama’s politically driven policies.

But I want to return to Leon Panetta’s claims for a moment. The conventional wisdom seems to be that Panetta is helping create some distance for Hillary Clinton from Obama’s policies. That may well be true. Or perhaps with Yom Kippur upon us (at sundown on Friday), Panetta desires to atone for not speaking out sooner on what Obama was doing when it may have made a difference in the security of this country and who was leading her.

“No one can build his security upon the nobleness of another person.” But when we must, we should make sure the person we pick is noble and up to the task at the very least…

Again, I want to wish my Jewish friends and family a good and blessed Day of Atonement:

This coming Shabbat – Friday/Saturday October 3, 4 – is Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year for the Jewish people. The exclusive themes of the day are atonement and repentance. The day is observed with an approximate 25-hour period of fasting and intensive prayer, mostly at the synagogue. In addition to being the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur is the day that Moses received the second set of the Ten Commandments. This signified that the Jewish people were forgiven for the sin of the Golden Calf, hence its designation as the Day of Atonement.

Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in Judaism as the High Holy Days or Yamim Nora’im (Days of Awe), which commences with Rosh Hashana (the New Year). It is also referred to as the “Sabbath of Sabbaths” in Scripture. According to Jewish tradition, God inscribes each person’s fate for the coming year on Rosh Hashana into a book, either the “Book of Life” or the “Book of Death,” and it is on Yom Kippur that a person’s fate is sealed. Of course, “life” and “death” are not absolutes. It also refers to the quality of life that a person will enjoy. The days between Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur are an opportunity to fix our behavior between Man and God as well as between Man and Man. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

May your name be written in the Book of Life!

This is an Open Thread.


36 Responses to “Relying On “The Nobleness Of Another Person,” And Atonement *Open Thread*”

  1. HELENK3 Says:

    will start your day off with a smile.
    want some dirt?????

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      LOL – I actually have a set of Yankee coasters that have dirt from the old Yankee Stadium in them (they were a Christmas gift). Needless to say, they have never been used! 🙂

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    Expecting a politician to be “noble” may be beyond the capability of most of them. In my life I’ve known few truly noble people. However I have known many good, decent and honest people. I would settle for that in an elected official. Unfortunately that is also beyond the capability of most pols.

    Part of the problem may be the sheer nastiness of the political arena that keeps decent people from ever running for office. We the people are responsible for much of that. We all say we “hate” the nasty attack ads and yet many make their decisions based on them.

    I am a Joe Friday kind of voter, I just want the facts mam. I just want to know where people stand on issues. No spin, no talking points and no lies.

    Neither party is made up of choir boys/girls but they could both be much better than they are. The Dems have really devolved from what they once were. Seems to me time to get rid of a lot of dead wood. If Senators have served 3 terms – get them out. If Congress Critters have served 6 terms – get them out. If they won’t vote for term limits its up to voters to impose them. And please, voting for moribund incumbents is just sick IMO.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      True enough, Marge, and I would settle for “good” and “honest” and “decent” people, too. I don’t know how it has become such nasty business – maybe it always has been with people being people and all. But still – beyond a few we could name, the majority seem to be in politics for all wrong reasons and not for us.

      And I think you are right abt the nastiness precluding many good people (for the most part – thank heavens for the exceptions like Gowdy).

      Yeah, I’m thinking term limits might be in order, too. Some of these people have been in so long I am surprised they even remember what their home state is…

  3. HELENK3 Says:

    will it include exception for democrats doing the hate speech?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      See, I think Republicans should be all over this – that way when Democrats, like Obama, refer to them as TERRORISTS, they can have them charged with “hate speech.”


      Really, though – the article makes such a good point abt the party that used to support free speech now wanting to censor it. That says a lot abt how far the party has moved from when many of us supported it.

  4. HELENK3 Says:

    just because I like Kevin Spacey

  5. HELENK3 Says:

    more IRS screwups

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, good grief. But of course, they withheld info they were supposed to provide.

      The releasing of sensitive personal information by the IRS is mighty bad – heads should role for that alone. But of course, we know that will just mean a promotion for someone. Ahem.

  6. HELENK3 Says:

    this lady is running a good campaign

  7. HELENK3 Says:

    fines and jail for holder??

    wishing and hoping

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, that would just be too good to be true, wouldn’t it?? No one is more deserving of jail time than Holder…

  8. Katherine B Says:

    So I’m reading a story over at Drudge about Barry attending a gala for the Hispanic Congressional Caucus and telling the audience that he drove over from the White House in the company of two illegal aliens. I’m sure he didn’t call them that but you know that’s exactly what they are even if he did refer to them as Dreamers. And I had this very unkind reaction – I wondered if either of them had Ebola would Barry be sharing his limo.

    This man’s arrogance in flouting the laws of this country is astounding.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Truly, Obama’s disdain for the law could not be more evident. That he would gleefully acknowledge being in the presence of criminals as if that was a GOOD thing is astounding.

      And what is with this glorification of people who are here illegally?? They are here ILLEGALLY – they aren’t some rarefied species or anything. I just don’t get this putting them on pedestals just because they broke the law to come into the country. Makes no sense to me.

      Oh, how I wish we had a judicial system that would hold Obama accountable for his lawlessness…

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Here is more on Obama’s speech:

      How is it that the same man who said he could NOT unilaterally change immigration law now threatens to do that very thing with impunity? And again, why is he not being held accountable for that???

  9. HELENK3 Says:

    wonder why small businesses are not growing and hiring????

  10. HELENK3 Says:

    isis beheads fourth hostage. British hostage Alan Hemming

  11. HELENK3 Says:

    Neil Cavuto read boxtox nan the riot act over her reaction to the worlds illegal aliens. when the video is available it is great and should viral

  12. HELENK3 Says:

    great take down

  13. Katherine B Says:

    I lifted this from Hillaryis44. Sometimes in the middle of all this depressing news and turmoil it is good to get a chuckle

    Referring to Obama’s pronouncement on Ebola, “Barack Obama said it was “unlikely” to happen here. But it’s here. And Ebola might have spread to D.C. where Obama should be able to see it close up. Michelle might have to trade her cocktail waitress clothes for designer Hazmat outfits. Ebola has already struck Obama protection headquarters MSNBC.”

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      LOL, thanks for the laugh, Katherine! Love the image of Michelle in her HazMat suit!

      How Obama can be wrong so often and still have so much support is really astonishing, isn’t it?

  14. HELENK3 Says:

    fire at flight 93 memorial

  15. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    For a total break from the news today, I give you JoeJoe the Babysitting Capybara:

    • Katherine B Says:

      I have no idea what kind of animal that was, but he had me smiling. I’m going to hurry home and let my cats babysit me tonight. Have a nice weekend everyone.

  16. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    LOL – well, they are HUGE, for starters. And I do mean huge. According to this Wikipedia article, they can weigh between 76 – 146 lbs. So, yeah – better have a big space! (Makes so much more sense to me now considering the Husky puppies were clearly old enough to be bouncing around.) Here’s the link:

    Very cute though, right? Glad it made you smile, Katherine! Have a great weekend!

  17. kenoshamarge Says:

    I think Helen’s right – we are living in the Twilight Zone.

    Incompetence runs rampant. Obama misses a majority of his briefings but never misses a golf date. His supporters continue to tell us about his brilliance.

    Willful blindness added to willful ignorance added to dishonesty and you have the perfect Obama supporter, in media and out.

    Laughably you have dimwit Dems like Udall telling us that the White House trembles when they see him coming.

    Is this all a dream or am I just watching some very bad movie? Surely this country couldn’t have sunk this far this fast.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Marge, I think you and the great cartoon have summed it up beautifully…

      And yes, Helen was right – “The Twilight Zone,” indeed…

      OH – I meant to tell you, congratulations on the outstanding performance of your Packers Thursday night! 😀

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        The funny thing about Helen bringing up the Twilight Zone is that often when we hear some “news” or see some dimitted political ad Lou and I look at each other and in sync say “do do do do to the tune of the Twilight Zone theme. We’ve felt like we are living in a Twilight Zone episode for some time.

        I hope it isn’t the one where the aliens have a cook book telling how to prepare us – and I don’t mean mentally.

  18. HELENK3 Says:

    to start your Saturday off right. thought you would like this

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      LOL – what is so funny abt getting this now is I just put my new Derek Jeter book, “The Contract,” up on a bookshelf beside the All Stars program a friend sent who was there, the SI cover, and a newspaper full page photo Suzy brought home from her travels.

      Oh – and I have been looking at all the Jeter stuff they have at Amazon, courtesy of an Amazon email letting me know how much Yankeees stuff was there (they know a target when they see it!).

      And yes – Jeter is doing a great job after what appears to be his one day vacation – I thought he might take a LITTLE more time off, but that’s not how he is wired, apparently! 🙂

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