Why Not Just Send In The Military? *Open Thread*

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No doubt you have heard that Obama’s initial response to the Ebola crises in West Africa was to send in our military. That is particularly meaningful to this area since we have an Air Force base here, and they are flying some of the C-17 missions there (they aren’t worried since they follow protocol, according to the article).

And now, Obama has taken that damn pen of his and signed an Executive Order to send in National Guard active duty and reservists. Here’s why:

[…] NBC News reported President Barack Obama is preparing an executive order to send National Guard active duty and reserve engineers and logistical specialists to Liberia build Ebola treatment centers there.

And word that the White House plans yet another foreign duty for a military corps built and intended for use to help Americans deal with crises and disasters on American soil was not being welcomed on the home front. […] (Click here to read the rest, including some good Tweets on the subject.)

Gee – what could POSSIBLY go wrong with that little idea, huh? Uh, yeah.

And how about sending our military (and National Guard) into harm’s way? The mother of an active duty soldier had a WHOLE lot to say on this topic this week in an interview with WND (h/t Facebook friend who posted this via RightWingNews). Here is some of what Judy Turner had to say to WND:


Amid the Defense Department’s vague explanations of the mission of U.S. troops deployed in West Africa
, the mother of one soldier who already has done tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan is expressing outrage.

“I am constantly amazed at the myriad ways this government finds to put my military son’s life in danger,” Judy Turner told WND.

She explained simply the president is “exposing all of those soldiers to a potentially fatal disease.”

“They are not medical units; they are not trained medically,” she said. “They are not social workers. My son has said before that he’s not a peacekeeper and he’s not a medical missionary. He says he doesn’t want to be. So, why are doing this? What is the purpose? Tell me!”

The highly contagious and often fatal Ebola virus has claimed more than 4,000 lives in West Africa. Defense officials say the soldiers will be given protective gear. But Turner has some knowledge of such specialized clothing, having worked at a nuclear power plant.

“It was a process that I had to go through, and it took at least two people to help me go through putting on the protective gear for radiation. I know what that kind of process entails, and he’s never been taught that. We had to put on protective gear to cover every inch of skin. We had to put on special booties and we had to know how to put on all of that gear,” she explained.

“Are they going to train him? How much training is he going to get, and how much training are the other soldiers going to get? Are they going to double and triple glove? Are they going to require oxygen gear? And if so, how long is their supply going to last?” Turner said.

Turner makes a lot of great points: they are not social workers, they are not medically trained, and are they going to BE trained for all of the protective gear they need to wear?

But those weren’t all the questions Turner had (from WND):

Turner also questions if there will be any rules of engagement if the soldiers deployed to Liberia encounter hostile activity.

“What if they end up having people shooting at them? Are they going to be allowed to shoot back? It’s just crazy. There are so many questions and no answers,” Turner said.

WND previously has reported the difficulty the Defense Department has had defining the Ebola mission.

The government has confirmed that an estimated 4,000 troops are being deployed. Defense officials have said the military will “support” the civilian-led response and construct a “command center,” treatment centers and training centers, even though private companies currently are hiring construction crews for various projects there.

That’s a whole boatload of people to be sending into an area where a deadly disease is running rampant, isn’t it? How likely is it that they will NOT bring something back with them? A couple of retired Army generals men have something to say about that:

[…] In exclusive interviews with WND, retired U.S. Army Lt. Gen. William “Jerry” Boykin and retired U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely condemned Obama’s decision to deploy troops to West Africa, arguing they could bring the virus to the United States or to other units.

That’s pretty much what I figured.

Ms. Turner had more to say, though, about Obama’s decision-making on this issue (and this was before Obama appointed an Ebola czar, which he just did Friday morning): Turner said the deployment decision is like Obama woke up at night and said:

[…] “‘Oh, I know, we’ll send the military. That’s what we’ll do.”

“He never consults anyone; he just makes these decisions with no input,” she charged.

Turner said her concerns were raised during her son’s most recent deployment to Afghanistan.

“It was in 2013. What were they doing there? What was their mission? They didn’t have a clear mission, and I didn’t understand why he was sent there again,” she said. “They couldn’t shoot back unless they could pinpoint the person who was shooting at them, because they weren’t supposed to hurt any of the civilians.”

She warned that administration decisions regarding previous U.S. military deployments have been vague.

No kidding. Turner spoke at length about her son’s tours in Iraq, the lack of mission focus there, and the impact of that decision by Obama (you can read it here). Lt. Gen. Boykin (retired) had this to say about this mission:

[…] Boykin said Obama “thinks like a community organizer who will jump into anything that might make him look good or that might serve his agenda.”

“This deployment to Liberia is abuse and demonstrates a level of contempt for the youth of America who have chosen to serve their nation under a leader who has never served and has been open about his contempt for the traditional values of the nation.” […] (Click here to read the rest of this good piece.)

Sadly, LtG Boykin has a point. So does Judy Turner. I don’t see how this campaign cannot end up having an effect not just on the troops, but on those of us here at home in one way or another. Just look at the avalanche of consequences from just ONE man infected with this disease. It is mind boggling. And mind boggling that this Administration ahs bungled this so badly, and is now sending our troops into an area like Liberia.

My heart goes out to Ms. Turner and all the family members of our troops being sent to Liberia with next to no or little medical training. I hope and pray they will come back safely, and soundly…

This is an Open Thread.

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44 Responses to “Why Not Just Send In The Military? *Open Thread*”

  1. HELENK3 Says:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/17/u-s-soldiers-get-just-four-hours-of-ebola-training.html

    4 hours of ebola training.

    THIS IS JUST SO WRONG

    • justine Says:

      If someone wanted to destroy the US (militarily and individuals), what more would they do besides what Obummer has done with the Ebola threat? [Bring people with Ebola to the US, contaminate civil aircraft, send the military with little training to become infected, open the borders to people and diseases…] When the US is so “down”, it can easily be over thrown — by terrorists or just by neighbor punks.
      .

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      FOUR HOURS??? That’s IT?? Holy crap.

      Justine, you make an excellent point. Given how little training our military is getting (thanks for that disturbing news, Helen), that seems likely indeed.

      I was talking to my partner abt all of this earlier today. Just think abt all of the different companies, states, and businesses that have been affected by Duncan. All those people on the Frontier flights, all the businesses, apartment complexes, grocery stores, and on and on and on it goes. All because of Obama’s refusal to protect Americans FIRST so he could prove he’s a “Citizen of the WORLD.” Ugh.

      And good point, too, abt how it sets us up. Good grief.

    • foxyladi14 Says:

      Four hours is not nearly enough training for the mission. :facepalm:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Are you kidding me? This government gives them insufficient training then sends them in harm’s way?

      This one act shows you the disdain this administration has for our people in the military Despicable!

  2. HELENK3 Says:

    I guess his muslim BFFs could not defeat them on the battle field ,so he will do his part and get them sick

  3. HELENK3 Says:

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/who-do-they-think-we-are-1413502475

    only took her 6 years to understand that backtrack has contempt for the American people

  4. HELENK3 Says:

    stolen from Somebody at the crawdad hole

    I have come up with an official name for my syndrome OITS
    Obama
    Incompetence………hubby says Induced……(vote)
    Tourettes
    Syndrome

    Not sure about the I, which one do you guys like better? OITS works either way though.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      LOL – thanks for that, Helen!

      Hmm – I think “Induced,” at least for me, since Obama consistently induces me to have Tourettes! 🙂

  5. HELENK3 Says:

    http://www.thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/obama-declares-november-4th-a-national-day-of-quarantine-t15094.html

    backtrack signs order making NOV 4 a national day of quarantine

  6. foxyladi14 Says:

    signing that order 🙂

    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/32107

  7. HELENK3 Says:

    the new political czar for ebola will report to Susan Rice.

    could he spit in our faces any more????????

  8. HELENK3 Says:

    Cruise ship with healthcare worker on board not given permission to dock in Mexico; heading back to Texas – @CBSDFW

    Mexico says NO

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Not at all surprised by that. Again, all those businesses and people will be losing money as a result of this, and the passengers will be losing out on their cruise experience for which they paid handsomely. All because Obama could not bring himself to upset people from West Africa, instead putting thousands of people in harm’s way, not to mention tremendously inconvenienced.

      But hey – what does he care??

  9. HELENK3 Says:

    WH official says Pres Obama feels current officials working on Ebola have done outstanding work, but have other demands on their time.

    there are no words

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Nope, there are not. Every time I think abt the people who voted him in again, and who STILL LIKE him, I just SMH…

  10. HELENK3 Says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/202777-breaking-ebola-scare-closes-pentagon-entrance/

    ebola scare closes pentagon entrance.
    woman gets sick on tour bus. says she has just returned from Liberia

  11. mcnorman Says:

    I like Anthony’s comment…

    Here’s a thought – I know I’m going out on a limb here with this “Common Sense” thingy I’m so addicted to, but how about sending the National Guard to our borders, and sending the CDC to Liberia???

    Last I heard, you can’t fight a virus with a rifle… Just sayin’…

  12. HELENK3 Says:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2014/10/17/not-sure-when-he-became-doctor-young-cbs-producer-deletes-tweet-mocking?utm_source=facebook+&utm_medium=marketing&utm_term=facebook&utm_campaign=mocking-paul

    you can not make this up

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      No you can not – glad she apologized, but maybe next time she should actually THINK before being so snarky in the first place, but at least try to be ACCURATE in the second place.

      People. Sheesh.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I do not “do” social media. But I have to laugh everytime I read about some “tweet” showing just how stupid people are. This little pinhead rushed to “tweet” without bothering to get her facts straight. She apologized? Big frigging deal. She should have apologized for being a moron.

        Then her employers should apologize for putting a moron in that job. But then that’s media and they have less credibility than Baghdad Bob.

  13. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    And get this – Ron Klain was connected to SOLYNDRA, that waste of over HALF A BILLION DOLLARS: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/10/17/who-is-ron-klain-who-will-lead-the-obama-administrations-response-to-ebola/

    (A woman from PJ Media just mentioned this on Neil Cavuto.)

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Did you see Andrea Tantaros and Kristin Powers going at each other over Klain? Kristin Powers kept saying Tantaros was doing “character asassination” and Tantaros kept repeating that Klain was a “political hack.” I don’t often watch Ournumbered but that was worth the time. 😉

  14. HELENK3 Says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/202790-white-house-we-didnt-want-an-ebola-expert-to-serve-as-obamas-ebola-czar/

    backtrack did not want an expert to serve as ebola czar

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Clearly. Because they sure didn’t pick one.

      Oh, and did I mention that he will be answering to Susan Rice, the woman who couldn’t find the truth if it was standing in front of her? Yeah. I feel safer already.

  15. HELENK3 Says:

    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2014/10/seeing-ebola-through-obamas-eyes/

    seeing ebola through backtrack’s eyes

  16. HELENK3 Says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/202793-houston-mayor-still-trying-to-subpoena-christian-pastors-now-asking-for-their-speeches-rather-than-sermons/

    this silly twit still does not understate the freedom of speech thingy

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Wow, they must think people are really, really, really stupid…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        They think people are really, really, really stupid because so many Dems are really, really, really stupid. Their first vote for Obama was a pretty good indication. Their second one was proof.

        This Mayor has shown herself to be unfit for her office, or any office in a Democracy.

  17. HELENK3 Says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/202806-oops-what-happened-to-old-ebola-czar-dr-nicole-lurie/

    I thought the Mafia was the only ones with no show jobs. Guess she learned the Chicago Way
    Reply

  18. HELENK3 Says:

    http://ulstermanbooks.com/ron-klain-obama-chooses-politics-public-safety/

    klain was valjar’s pick

  19. HELENK3 Says:

    http://nashvillepublicradio.org/blog/2014/10/08/fort-campbell-troops-ebola-mission-wont-get-full-protective-gear/

    what the hell is this. they are not going to give the military that backtrack is sending on a fools mission for ebola the proper protective gear.

    sounds like murder to me

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yeah, sorry, I’m not buying what the are selling on how all they need are masks and gloves…

  20. kenoshamarge Says:

    Why I Oppose Barack Obama

    http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/10/18/why-i-oppose-barack-obama-n1906802

    The liberals have overused and overplayed their “race” card to the point that many of us who were once appalled that someone would call us such a name now simply laugh and shrug. They, in their own foolishness have destroyed one of the greatest weapons in their arsenal. Only the dimmest bulbs, and granted there are a lot of them, in their own party believe the “racist” slur anymore. In fact many have now seen that some of the worst “racism” comes from black liberals. Proof is in “their” voting patterns. Or maybe you know some districts where every white voted for a white as districts where 90 to 100 percent of the blacks voted for Obama. 90 to 100% of people do not agree about anything. It’s just in our nature. Unless it is black voters voting for a black man for president.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      DANG!! That is an excellent recap of ALL the reasons many of us oppose Obama. Thanks, Marge!

      And yes – the liberals have overplayed the “racism” card, no doubt abt it. Great comment!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        This article is a good example of why I like John Hawkins pieces. First he is really good at skewering liberal fools. But second, and most importain IMO, he lays out facts and reasons that make their sad little race card look even more tattered and tawdry.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Exactly, Marge – as long as it is based on facts and reason, that’s what matters. Hawkins did that well, and with some humor, too!

  21. HELENK3 Says:

    http://americanthinker.com/2014/10/america_in_crisis_sorry_blacks_you_cant_sit_this_out.html

    WOW this is a must read

  22. HELENK3 Says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/17/Ebola-Czar-Absent-from-White-House-Ebola-Strategy-Meeting

    they forgot to invite the new ebola czar to the strategy meeting on ebola

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