“Unprecedented – And Unconstitutional” *Open Thread*

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That is how the Daily Signal describes President Obama’s EO toward illegal immigrants in this article, “Obama’s Unilateral Amnesty Really Will Be Unprecedented – and Unconstitutional.”

Without a doubt, President Obama’s plan to alter Immigration is Unconstitutional. And let us just recap what President Obama has said about changing laws without Congress:

By his own admission, he is not in a position to do precisely what he is now saying he will do. So I guess he was wrong when he said at the end of the above video that he is not a dictator. Apparently, he is. And THAT is a Constitutional crisis.

I just have to ask: what the hell makes these illegal aliens SO special that our entire system of governance should be thrown into jeopardy just for them? What makes them think they are ENTITLED to be in this country without following the rules? What gives them the RIGHT to demand special treatment? They are taking services paid for by citizens of this country. That this president is willing to rend the very fabric of this nation – the ripping of the US Constitution – for people who BROKE THE LAW is astonishing. it is infuriating. And frankly, it is making me sick. I am all for people immigrating to the USA legally. And I am all for Congress working on possible fixes to our current Immigration policies. But for this president to unilaterally change our laws is appalling, and unacceptable no matter how people want to spin it.

And speaking of spin, let’s get back to the article from the Daily Signal for a moment. It addresses some of the claims the Democrats are making to try and substantiate Obama’s lawlessness. From Daily Signal:

According to the Associated Press, as well as House Minority leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., Reps. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., and Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., President Barack Obama’s plan to provide executive amnesty to more than 5 million illegal immigrants is no different than unilateral actions that were taken by Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

However, this claim plays a bit fast and loose with history and fails to explain the significant difference between Obama going against the will of Congress, which considered and rejected the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act on several occasions, including when both houses of Congress were controlled by the president’s party, and Reagan and Bush, who made administrative corrections designed to carry out congressional intent.

Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution gives Congress exclusive authority to “establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization ….” And it is the president’s constitutional duty, under Article II, Section 3, to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed ….”

In 1986, Congress passed the Immigration and Reform Control Act, which provided a general amnesty to almost 3 million illegal immigrants. According to the Associated Press, Reagan acted unilaterally when his Immigration and Naturalization Service commissioner “announced that minor children of parents granted amnesty by [IRCA] would get protection from deportation.” In fact, in 1987, then-Attorney General Ed Meese issued a memorandum allowing the INS to defer deportation where “compelling or humanitarian factors existed” for children of illegal immigrants who had been granted amnesty and, in essence, given green cards and put on a path towards being “naturalized” as citizens. In announcing this policy, Reagan was not defying Congress, but rather carrying out the general intent of Congress which had just passed a blanket amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants.

Well, we aren’t going to let facts influence political rhetoric are we? Of course not. Which brings us to the claims the “Bush did it, too!” The article continues:

As the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services website itself explains, the children of individuals who become citizens through naturalization have a relatively easy process for also becoming naturalized citizens to avoid breaking up families. And as Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies points out, the INS was, as a practical matter, going to “look the other way under certain circumstances with regard to minor children both of whose parents received amnesty.” This was well within the authority delegated to the executive branch and a “legitimate exercise of prosecutorial discretion.”

The Bush administration relaxed these technical requirements under a “Family Fairness” policy to defer deportation of the spouses and children of illegal immigrants who were allowed to stay in this country and seek naturalization through the IRCA amnesty. Shortly thereafter, Bush worked with Congress to pass the Immigration Act of 1990, which made these protections permanent. Significantly, the Bush policy and the 1990 act affected only a small number of immigrants–about 180,000 people–in comparison to Obama’s past (his 2012 implementation of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival program) and anticipated unilateral actions that will affect millions of immigrants. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

That is a BIG, huge difference in both cases. Yet that isn’t stopping prominent Democrats from twisting themselves up trying to justify this move that Obama himself declared unlawful.

Oh, and if you think for one second President Obama is concerned that people see his actions as “lawless,” allow Josh Earnest to put those fears to rest. From the Daily Caller:

[…] “We’ve heard this kind of rhetoric about lawlessness from House Republicans for some time. I know their most recent statement referred to ‘Emperor Obama.’ The matter of the fact, the President is somebody who is willing to examine the law, review the law, and use every element of that law to make progress for the American people. And if that is something Republicans are critical of, that’s maybe a criticism that the President wears with a badge of honor, I think.” (Click here to read the rest.)

Yes, “lawlessness” is seen as a “badge of honor” for this President and his supporters.

How telling is that? Wow. And they have the nerve to get pissy with the networks for not disrupting their programming for the Emperor. Serves Obama right.

And if Obama REALLY wanted to deal with Immigration, he could do what Greg Gutfeld suggested:

Greg Gutfeld (Credit: The Five)

That says it all. And now it’s your turn. This is an Open Thread.

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48 Responses to ““Unprecedented – And Unconstitutional” *Open Thread*”

  1. HELENK3 Says:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/393018/meet-snobocrats-victor-davis-hanson

    meet the snobocrats

  2. HELENK3 Says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/rush-limbaugh-reagan-never-took-executive-action-this-is-bald-faced-flat-out-lie-video/

    I do not listen to Rush normally.
    he does a little bit of correcting the false narrative being spread far and wide.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I usually don’t pay attention to Limbaugh – giant gasbag IMO- and more than I pay attention to Bill O’Reilly, another giant gasbag. But sometimes they’re right. Got to give the gasbags their due.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Me, either, on both counts, but yeah – even Rush can be right sometimes, and he is right abt this. To equate Bush/Reagan to what Obama plans to do defies logic. Admittedly, that does not seem to be the Dems’ strong suit, but still. Just like with these gazillion videos of Obama claiming he cannot do this without being a dictator or emperor, we have records of what Bush and Reagan actually did.

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    Washington Times EDITORIAL: It’s the message, Stupid

    Two weeks after, and the Democrats are still in deep denial

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/18/editorial-its-the-message-stupid/#!#ixzz3JcPA7eGR

    I really loved the beginning:

    Nancy Pelosi continues to live in her own cozy world. The House Minority Leader faces her Democratic caucus in the 114th Congress with depleted ranks and depleted confidence, but she hasn’t learned much. She tells Politico, the Capitol Hill daily, that the blowout on Nov. 4 was “no wave of approval for the Republicans,” and there was no rejection of her party.

    Mrs. Pelosi has replaced Cleopatra as the queen of denial, and her court joins her in misdiagnosing the illness in the Democratic ranks. Many insist that the party’s agenda, listing even farther left, is just what the American people want. It needs only fine tuning. The party’s candidates — just not those thrown out a fortnight ago — must do a better job of “getting our message out.”

  4. HELENK3 Says:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/19/dems-to-obama-you-broke-our-party/

    now donna is giving orders
    you broke it , you fix it

    when I stop laughing maybe I will sing ” My Heart Cries For You”. Maybe NOT

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      AHAHAHAHAHA – oh, yeah – right there with you, Helen!

    • kinthenorthwest Says:

      Hellenk one day I will learn to not drink and read your comments at same time…
      I think it so funny, thats what they get.. H3LL what did they expect they get from a community organizer.
      I blame all my errors on my cat — try typing on your laptop with a cat not only between you and the lap top, but on top of your arms. And yest I have moved her 6 times and she just comes back, gives me a dirty look and lays back down.

  5. kinthenorthwest Says:

    TY Amy…As I have said else where this is Obama’s Amnesty Pyramid Scheme from what I have heard so far. The numbers will not be just 5 million it will likely be more like 30 to 50 Million which is closer to the true number of Illegals in the US.
    It seems that if you have a family member that was born here you can stay. If one of your family members is part of his previous Dreamers Executive Order you can stay. . So in other words find a family member that meets this and you get to stay.
    We have to remember most of these people are criminals and not honest. They have broken the law from the moment they either crossed the border i and/or overstayed their visa illegally. To stay here they have compounded their crime by lying to either get jobs or governmental benefits to survive.
    Since the vast majority have lied to come and stay here, and stay here; why would they finally start being truthful in order to claim they have the requirements to stray under the new executive order. How many more family members will come across to join family members and use the executive order.
    There are not even enough jobs for Americans. The 200 thousand jobs Obama says have been created is only 1% of the people who have had to leave the American workforce. Since 2009, 11.4 million Americans age 16 and over have left the workforce. In July 2014, there were 92,001,000 Americans, 16 and over, who were classified as “not in the labor force,” meaning they not only did not have a job, but they didn’t actively seek one in the last four weeks, due to not being able to find employment, or having run out of benefits. To top it off All job gains since 2000 have gone to immigrants. So why are we supposed to give these Illegals the few jobs there are in American?
    As Obama said in 2006 and seems to have forgotten. “The number of immigrants added to the labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a century. If this huge influx of mostly low-skilled workers provides some benefits to the economy as a whole — especially by keeping our workforce young, in contrast to increasingly geriatric Europe and Japan — it also threatens to depress further the wages of blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net,” Sen. Obama wrote.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Maybe Obama has Alzheimers. How else to explain his complete lack of short-term memory? Ahem. Yeah, either he was lying then, or he is lying now. Bottom line, he is a liar, and no one can believe a word he says no matter HOW the Dems try to spin what he says (on this, on Obamacare, on IRS, on Benghazi, on Fast and Furious, and the list goes on, and on, and on).

      Ugh.

      Without a doubt, these people broke the law. I am not without compassion for the plight of some, and as I have said all along, I believe in giving people asylum here if warranted. But to permit literally MILLIONS of people to show callous disregard, even contempt, for our laws, and REWARD them for it, is far beyond the pale. But even worse, why reward people here ILLEGALLY who are demanding entitlements?? Try that in any other country in the world, hell, try it in MEXICO, and see what happens to you.

      And this crap abt if “the House will only pass the Senate bill, all will be well,” (http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/07/white-house-only-thing-gop-can-do-to-stop-obama-amnesty-plan-is-pass-senate-immigration-bill-video/) is nothing short of blackmail. The House HAS sent Immigration bills to the Senate – which no one in the media, even Fox, seems to remember. So it isn’t as though they have done nothing. They have. But Obama doesn’t get to have his way all of the time. That is why we have a CONGRESS.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Lucky Obama – he doesn’t have to explain what he said before he what he says now. His lies don’t count and his incompetence is hidden as if it never was. The media is as guilty as he is of all his evil.

    • kinthenorthwest Says:

      As with you Amy I do feel sorry for some of them, hey I work in the prisons and there are some really sad stories there too. But that does not eliminate the fact that there are criminals that have or are committing crimes. Below is part of a post I posted long ago, and it till applies.
      There are many illegals who are basically good people people. H3LL for that matter there are some really nice criminals in jail too. I have an idea, while we are at it how about we just customize all our laws to fit all possible crimes. How about we customize all our laws so that all criminals get rewarded for what they do instead of being punished. You know reward the drug dealers, rapist, murderers, thieves and etc. Guess i’m sounding ridiculous aren’t i. Well that is just exactly what we are doing with the illegals now, we are customizing our laws to reward illegals for all the crimes they have committed against our country, illegal entry, thief, fraud and the list does get longer i hear. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist” or calling a bank robber a person who makes undocumented withdrawals from banks.
      How many countries do you know of customize their laws to reward the actions of criminals instead of punishing them??
      If you sneak across most countries borders and then commit various acts of fraud, not to mention governmental fraud, you‘d be very lucky if all you got was a slap on the wrist and deported.
      Only in America do illegals/criminals get to live off the fat of the land, making more than over 25% of legal American citizens with governmental supplements. Once they cross the border they are criminals. To survive in this country they are either working illegally and/or collecting governmental supplements unlawfully. (Usually both.) Everyday they stay they are escalating their crime…(don’t forget the thousands upon thousands of gang bangers made up of illegals and anchor babies that are destroying the wellbeing, and economy of many many cities and states.). This last influx has add to the amount, for we have been and are still spending Millions daily on just that group.
      Its Time To Take Care of America and Legal Americans, especially our American children.(thats another rant of mine.due to the monies being spend on Illegals for education and housing that is being taken away from our own American Children’s housing and education. Lately Illegals and their children actually have a higher priority in education and housing than our own legal American Children.).

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Exactly, Kin – we need to take care of Americans first, and stop putting so much strain on our states trying to deal with so many illegal aliens.

        And yeah, this “undocumented worker” thing is just ridiculous. That is NOT what they are.

        Sure some of them are nice, but the way people are being trafficked into our country is a HUGE issue. THAT is what needs to be addressed, not continuing to throw open wide our borders.

  6. foxyladi14 Says:

    Obama’s Boot licker’s have develeped a sore tongue.

    I Love it!!!! 😀

  7. HELENK3 Says:

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10606495_581428298669102_4397396472162251204_n.jpg?oh=4c531e52b6e5d4465e73d65c1e85928b&oe=54E1F9B5&__gda__=1423248909_9c179bb1d1d5ffbd6145c836f177fdd2

    • HELENK3 Says:

      was hoping the picture would show not just the link

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        The really long links seldom show. In fact about the only ones I can really count on showing are the ones from Townhall. The great ones from “U. S. News and World Report” never do. Tinypic always shows too. As well as Branco from Legal Insurrection and media cagle.com. At least that’s what I’ve found so far. Every now and then one makes a liar out of me so take it for what its worth. I know how frustrating it is when you want to post an image instead of a link.

  8. HELENK3 Says:

  9. HELENK3 Says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/205849-lib-rag-salon-kill-your-pet-dog-to-save-world-from-global-warming-or-something/

    you can not make this up

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Bunch of nuts at Salon. Ugly minds no matter what they look like on the outside.

    • kinthenorthwest Says:

      OK Then can you all tell me why the Heck all the streets around me were straight Black Ice all night and morning.
      Don’t know how to load a picture but I have one on my FB in front of my house. I took the Garbage and took one step into street to ck it. Funny part is I had to walk back up to my house on the grass, almost landed on my Butt twice.
      Other interesting thing is since our weather has been in the teens my cat wants to go out 3 or 4 xs versus just once. Worse part is she thinks it fun to play the sniff game for about 5 mins when she indicates she wants in. But if you try and catch her she runs.

  10. kinthenorthwest Says:

    Obama: “The biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States.”

    Did you all hear…Obama’s speech will not be on TV–English speaking TV that is. …Obama’s speech will be in the Hispanic stations.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      From what I understand, he planned this speech for tonight because it is the Latin Grammys. He PRESUMED the networks would capitulate to him and let him air his speech when so many Latinos were tuning in to see the Grammys. Now, no one is as shocked as I am that the networks DIDN’T cave in to him, but they didn’t, so cable is all he has left. Of course, he is going to make sure he is on the Latino channels – he is hoping this craven attempt to get them to be Democrats will work.

      I can’t remember who said it this morning, but someone noted that Latinos see through this, too, and do not appreciate being pandered to by Obama. And then there is this poll: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/19/poll-not-all-latinos-approve-of-obamas-executive-amnesty-n1921128

  11. HELENK3 Says:

    http://www.redstate.com/2014/11/19/obamacare-bankrupt-whole-bunch-small-businesses/

    this one is a real ” Holy Shit”

    backtrack strikes again

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      This is precisely why so many companies were happy that the Reps won the Senate, too – so they could stop all of these regulations.

  12. HELENK3 Says:

    http://weaselzippers.us/205864-univision-anchor-obama-acting-like-a-dictator-a-triumph-for-the-latino-community/

    i guess there are no legal latino immigrants

  13. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    To go back to Jerusalem for a minute, this article was in our paper today. Charleston, as some of you may know, has a very large Jewish community. Reformed Judaism started in Charleston, and the oldest synagogue in the country is in Charleston. Until NYC took over, Charleston had the largest Jewish community in the country.

    And sadly, members had ties to some of those slaughtered this week: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20141119/PC16/141119257/1006/jerusalem-attack-stuns-local-families

  14. HELENK3 Says:

    http://soopermexican.com/2014/11/20/legal-immigrants-need-to-speak-out-against-illegal-immigration/

    I am glad to see someone speak out on this

  15. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    A Facebook friend had this good cartoon up abt Obama and his Immigration change:

    https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/10675641_383211121838252_4971905977330347829_n.jpg?oh=39a31992c5e8e1d66da9aeeec80ab0f8&oe=5517D357

    (Link: https://www.facebook.com/989TheAnswer)

  16. HELENK3 Says:

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/11/20/bombshell-email-proves-that-white-house-doj-targeted-reporter-sharyl-attkisson/?utm_term=%23tcot

    e-mails proof that white house and doj targeted Sharyl Attkisson

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Holy smokes. Not that I am really surprised that they TARGETED her, just that there are emails to prove it.

      THANK HEAVENS for Judicial Watch, huh?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Interesting, too, that the DOJ worked with a reporter, Davis, to target Darrell Issa, too, since he was the chair of the “Fast and Furious” committee. This information should be spread far and wide…

  17. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    So, it turns out that Obama also timed his little speech tonight because Legislatures have left town. What a piece of work. From The Hill: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/224879-rep-steve-king-says-immigration-announcement-timing-is-strategic

  18. Cindyindie Says:

    Great post, Cuzin—but where to begin?? ARRRRGGHH!!!!
    You have said it all…and your query as to just what is SO special about illegal aliens is an excellent question!! And Greg Gutfeld verbalized exactly what many of us have thought. Exactly.
    Thank you…and God help us all!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thank you, Cuz!

      It really is incredible to me – and has been for years – how illegals could protest and demand benefits and rights to which they are absolutely not entitled. Again, no where else in the world could people get away with that, but here.

      And amen to that, Cindy – we are gonna need it!

  19. kinthenorthwest Says:

    Someone posted this at Yahoo…Not bad for it is pretty much what is happening with Juan Illegal —
    OHN vs. JUAN
    You have two families: “John Legal” and “Juan Illegal”. Both families have two parents, two children, and live in Arizona ..

    John Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

    Juan Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 in cash “under the table”.

    Ready? Now pay attention….

    John Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; John Legal now has $31,231.00.

    Juan Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200 per year.Juan Illegal pays no taxes. Juan Illegal now has $31,200.00.

    John Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. John Legal now has $24,031.00.

    Juan Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Juan Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    John Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. John Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000..00 per year. John Legal now has $18,031.00.

    Juan Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Juan Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    John Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. John Legal now has 9,631.00.

    Juan Illegal receives a $500.00 per month Federal Rent Subsidy. Juan Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Juan Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

    John Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. John Legal now has $7,231.00.

    Juan Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.

    John Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc..

    Juan Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month..

    John Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

    Juan Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    John Legal’s and Juan Illegal’s children both attend the same elementary school. John Legal pays for his children’s lunches, while Juan Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Juan Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. John Legal’s children go home.

    Now, when they reach college age, John Legal’s kids may not get into a State School and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though John has been paying for state schools through his taxes, while Juan Illegal’s kids “go to the head of the class” because they are a minority.

    John Legal and Juan Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but John paid for them and Juan did not pay.

    If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens… You are part of the problem! Go to numbersusa on the web to make your voice heard today!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Holy smokes, that is telling indeed, Kin. And it goes along with something I planned to do in today’s post. WOW.

      And just HOW did they get all of these benefits, I’d like to know? I mean, I know it was politicians, but WHO was pushing this for illegals? Dems?

  20. HELENK3 Says:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/michelle_obama_and_the_why_of_ferguson_missouri.html

    something to think about

  21. HELENK3 Says:

    BTW
    backtrack just released another 5 gitmo detainees. sent them to Europe. should be an isis recruit by thanksgiving

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      No doubt. Isn’t that just incredible? He could give a damn abt the safety of this nation and her citizens. THAT much is clear.

  22. HELENK3 Says:

    http://therightscoop.com/gop-releases-new-web-video-on-obamas-unconstitutional-amnesty/

    new GOP video

  23. HELENK3 Says:

    new GOP video

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