Against It Before He Was For It, And Other News *Open Thread* UPDATED


Update at the end of the post.

Naturally, I reference Obama in that headline. Recently, I wrote about one of the taxes Obama pushed in his SOTU is on the 529 College Savings accounts. You know, the one where you can put away money for your kids, or grandkids, or godkids, college education down the road. Those funds are post-tax dollars, so when they are issued, no taxes apply. If Obama has his way, that will change.

But get this – in both Obama’s book, and when he was in the US Senate, he took the EXACT OPPOSITE POSITION. From the Daily Caller:

Part of President Barack Obama’s ambitious tax reform plan is a proposal to gut the popular 529 savings accounts used by millions of Americans to save for college. The administration has labeled the plans “inefficient” and complained that the benefit accrues too heavily towards higher-income Americans.

But in 2006, Obama actually voted in the U.S. Senate to make the 529 savings permanent, and has written favorably of the plans in the past.

The bill in question was the Pension Protection Act of 2006, which perpetuated a tax benefit that was originally created in the 2001 Bush tax cuts. The bill was overwhelmingly approved, but several Democrats did oppose it, including Senator Barbara Boxer.

Ryan Ellis, the tax policy director with right-leaning nonprofit Americans for Tax Reform, said it’s no surprise that Obama voted to preserve the plans back then.

“Presumably, he saw a lot of virtues with [529 plans],” Ellis told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “He spoke about them quite favorably in his autobiography.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Shocking. Just shocking. Who woulda thunk it, huh? I know, I know, all of us.

That isn’t the only whopper from then to now. This morning on “America’s Newsroom,” Martha MacCullum brought up to two panelists what Obama said about the impact of illegal immigrants. The Daily Caller had also covered this very issue:

President Barack Obama once declared that an influx of illegal immigrants will harm “the wages of blue-collar Americans” and “put strains on an already overburdened safety net.”

“[T]here’s no denying that many blacks share the same anxieties as many whites about the wave of illegal immigration flooding our Southern border—a sense that what’s happening now is fundamentally different from what has gone on before,” then-Senator Obama wrote in his 2006 autobiography, “The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream.”

”Not all these fears are irrational,” he wrote.

“The number of immigrants added to the labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a century,” Obama noted. “If this huge influx of mostly low-skill workers provides some benefits to the economy as a whole—especially by keeping our workforce young, in contrast to an increasingly geriatric Europe and Japan—it also threatens to depress further the wages of blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Uh huh. But that was then and now is now. And now all kinds of people are coming over our borders, not just from Latin American countries, as discussed before. Really makes you wonder what the end game is, doesn’t it? Does me, anyway.

But that’s not all the news going on today. As some of you may have heard, turns out Bowe Berghdal, the deserter for whom Obama traded FIVE TALIBAN TERRORISTS, has in fact been charged with desertion. It seems the Administration chose to hold onto this news (thanks, Ben Rhodes) lest it hurt even more before the elections and SOTU. What princes this White House people are, huh? So yeah, as those who were there and knew Bergdahl claimed, it is – once again – clear that Bergdahl is a DESERTER, and we gave up some mighty dangerous people to get this guy back. Too many of our soldiers died trying to find him, too. That this Administration went to such lengths for him again speaks VOLUMES, and none of it good {h/t to Helenk). Heckuva job there, Obama, heckuva job. Again, just whose side is Obama on, I have to ask? Considering the very dangerous men this Administration continues to release back out into the world, it really makes me wonder.

Something else that makes me wonder is how in the world such a juvenile, petulant, arrogant backstabber got to where he is, but people seem to like that sort of character these days, sad to say. Obama’s most recent indication of just how vindictive and hateful he can be is this latest revelation from the man who said he couldn’t meet with Bibi Netanyahu because it would be too close to elections in Israel. Well, truth will out – seems Obama’s former campaign team is in Israel working AGAINST the current Prime Minister (h/t Facebook friend):

[…] The anti-Netanyahu, left wing Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports a group called “One Voice,” reportedly funded by American donors, is paying for the Obama campaign team. That group is reportedly being led by Obama’s 2012 field director Jeremy Bird.

As Jerusalem Post columnist and putative Knesset candidate Caroline Glick reported on her Facebook page, “Obama won’t meet Benjamin Netanyahu in Washington when he addresses the Joint Houses of Congress in March because of Netanyahu’s visit’s proximity to the Israeli elections. And Obama, of course believes in protocol and propriety which is why he won’t get involved.” And yet, Glick adds, “He’s just sending his 2012 field campaign manager to Israel to run a campaign to defeat Netanyahu.”

For all the harsh accusations of foreign interference currently being leveled against GOP Speaker John Boehner, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer, reports of Obama operatives actively working to unseat a democratically elected leader of a strong U.S. ally is hardly the news it might appear to be […] (Click here to read the rest.)

And that is how this Administration rolls. There are many more examples I am sure you can add below, and I invite you to do so. This is an Open Thread.

Remember, too, that the Benghazi Hearings start at 10:30 this morning!

UPDATE: There are two updates to make to this post. First, the Pentagon is denying that it has decided to bring charges against Bowe Bergdahl. At this point, it claims, the investigation is still on-going, according to Fox News.

I don’t know what in the world is taking them so long since they determined in 2010 (as noted in the post) that Bergdahl had deserted. But yeah – they are still dragging their feet, at least in letting everyone know what the charges are going to be, or if there are going to BE charges.

Second, according to the New York Times (h/t Helenk), Obama has decided to drop the idea of taxing 529 college plans:

President Obama, facing angry reprisals from parents and from lawmakers of both parties, will drop his proposal to effectively end popular college savings accounts known as 529s, but will keep an expanded tuition tax credit at the center of his college access plan, the White House said Tuesday.

The decision came just hours after House Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio demanded the proposal be withdrawn from the president’s budget, due out Monday, “for the sake of middle-class families.” But the call for the White House to relent also came from top Democrats, including Representatives Nancy Pelosi of California, the minority leader, and Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, the ranking member of the Budget Committee.

Ms. Pelosi pressed the case to senior administration officials on board Air Force One as she flew with the president from India to Saudi Arabia, according to Democratic aides familiar with the discussions.

“Given it has become such a distraction, we’re not going to ask Congress to pass the 529 provision so that they can instead focus on delivering a larger package of education tax relief that has bipartisan support, as well as the President’s broader package of tax relief for child care and working families,” a White House official said. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

GOOD. This was an absurd area to focus on taxing in the first place. These plans are made up of POST-tax dollars, and are designed to help the very people Obama CLAIMS he wants to support. At least Democrats and Republicans agreed on the need to drop this foolhardy plan. What a concept…

41 Responses to “Against It Before He Was For It, And Other News *Open Thread* UPDATED”

  1. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Speaking of hearings, Sharyl Attkisson will be testifying at the new AG nominee hearing:

  2. foxyladi14 Says:

    New AG just like. or worse then the last one. 👿

  3. foxyladi14 Says:

    Thanks Amy for the heads up, on the hearings. 🙂

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      My pleasure – the hearing is currently on c-span 3, which you should be able to access at

  4. HELENK3 Says:

    15000 never before released to Congress just sent to the Benghazi committee per FOX

  5. HELENK3 Says:

    is it just me or are the democrats seem to be worried about everything but the truth on Benghazi? do not mind being dissed by the state dept who have been keeping info from congress. they are part of congress aren’t they or are they just there to cover for backtrack? If they are there to cover for him, let him pay them and not the taxpayer

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oops – saw this AFTER my little rant below! Yes, they clearly don’t give a DAMN abt the truth. All they seem to care abt is launching ad hominem attacks against Gowdy and the Reps. Appalling behavior by them.

  6. HELENK3 Says:

    Report: House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, finalizing plan to sue President Obama over executive orders on immigration, sources tell @nationaljournal

  7. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    These Democrats at the Benghazi hearing are living up tot heir Jackass moniker. Mr. Smith from MD did nothing more than attack Rep. Gowdy for his entire time. When Rep. Sanchez said she was going to continue in his vein, I had to mute her. The Dems are doing NOTHING but attacking Reps and doing NOTHING to get to the bottom of this important issue.


    • HELENK3 Says:

      now we know why different government agencies have the idea that they can diss congress. it’s ok with the democrats why should they do anything different?

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Without a doubt. The same people screaming, whining, and crying abt partisanship are the VERY ones engaging in all the partisan rancor. So sick of these people stonewalling to protect Obama and his Administration rather than DOING THE RIGHT THING. Why is that SO hard for them to do???

  8. HELENK3 Says:

    when the video becomes available Mike Pompeo was awesome in telling the dems to get their act together.

  9. HELENK3 Says:

    for the viewing public

  10. HELENK3 Says:

    US official: President Obama and Saudi King Salman discussed Yemen, Iran; Salman said Iran should not be allowed to build nuclear weapons – @Reuters

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      And he is right – they shouldn’t be able to build any more. So is Obama gonna get David Cameron to call him up and lobby him, too? (So disgusted with Cameron – I thought he was better than that. Apparently not.)

  11. HELENK3 Says:

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, take a formal step towards a presidential campaign, announces a new organization to support his message – @NBCNews

    good news

  12. HELENK3 Says:

    the lady always comes through

  13. HELENK3 Says:

    has the backtrack bunch every hired anyone without an agenda?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Um, no? I can’t think of anyone. And just what is going to happen to Gross? Is she going to be brought up on charges for violating regulations and conflict-of-interest laws?? Sure as hell better be…

  14. HELENK3 Says:

    I really think he does not believe in any religion. He gives lip service to rev wirght’s church because of politics. He was raised muslim but does not practice it. what ever works for him is the only religion he practices

  15. HELENK3 Says:

    now the pentagon is saying no charges against bergdahl yet

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yeah, I just saw their Spokesperson denying any charges yet, but I think he made it clear it was up to the General in charge to be the one to come out with them first. He doesn’t want to step on toes, is what I gathered. A number of sites from NBC to The Hill have all reported it, so I think they are just waiting – maybe for Ben Rhodes to get the hell out of the way.

      Still cannot believe Rhodes has this position. Seriously – Rhodes’ resume in national security was NOTHING – he came on to write speeches and now holds a VERY powerful NS position. How the hell does THAT happen? And he’s the one responsible for pushing Obama into the whole Egypt mess which has now led to even BIGGER messes in the Middle East. He has been wrong at every turn and should have already been booted out of the WH.

  16. HELENK3 Says:

    President Obama to drop proposal to end ‘529’ college savings plans – @nytimes

    maybe the dems told him NO WAY,

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      GOOD, he SHOULD. I heard at one point that the tax was going to be as much as 26%, which is MASSIVE, especially since this is a plan middle income people use to try and be able to pay for college when their kids are of age. So, yeah – he never should have done it in the first place.

      Thanks for the update on this!

  17. piper Says:

    Found this website – I’m bad, i know but can’t help it – shoveling 1 inch every few days has affected my brain cells.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, my! Yeah, I was thinking you and Marge (whom I hope is okay – missing her comments!) were probably laughing your heads off at the people in NYC acting like The End Is Near! with the snow they got. That’s probably a dusting to those of you in Wisconsin (MN, MT, etc.)…

  18. HELENK3 Says:

    what did she know, and when did she know it?

  19. HELENK3 Says:

    Megan Kelly grills state dept Jen Psaki on Yemeni rebels

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      You gotta love Kelly – she is one incredibly sharp woman. Very little gets by her, and Psaki doesn’t stand a chance…

  20. mcnorman Says:

    The nightmare never seems to end. One yuck after another.

  21. HELENK3 Says:

    was he worth it? NO

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      He most definitely was NOT worth it. The Taliban Fiver were/are very, very bad men who have done some very bad things, and likely will again…

  22. HELENK3 Says:

    I have lived or worked in 4 out of 5

  23. HELENK3 Says:

    this is going to hurt big time

  24. HELENK3 Says:

    good story

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I really like Caroline Glick. She is a great writer. If she is successful in moving into politics, I have no doubt she will continue to give voice to the issues that matter…

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