Jobs For Terrorists Argument Too Nuanced, Or Too Simplistic? *Open Thread*


It seems that I am guilty of not being able to understand the “nuanced” argument Marie Harf was making about terrorists and their need for jobs about which I wrote yesterday. That is her latest claim. I am not kidding. From BizPacReview:

[…] “We cannot kill every terrorist around the world, nor should we try,” she said. “How do you get at the root causes of this? It might be too nuanced an argument for some, like I’ve seen over the last 24 hours some of the commentary out there, but it’s really the smart way that Democrats, Republicans, our partners in the Arab, world think we need to combat it.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Yes, Marie, your argument is just too “nuanced” for dunces like me That’s the problem. Not that it is illogical and does not take into account the realities of terrorists like ISIS with their multi-million dollar a DAY oil operation among other endeavors in which they are involved, like harvesting organs.

Apparently they DO have jobs, and many of them have jobs as executioners. It has nothing to do with ECONOMY and EVERYTHING to do with ideology and theology. The problem is not that far too many of us see the flaws in Harf’s ridiculous, I mean, NUANCED, argument, but that we are not buying what she is selling.

Since Harf and her bosses, you know, President Obama and Sec. Kerry, seem to be in credibly unclear on the concept, as they demonstrate day after day, including at their “extremism summit,” let me help them out here. Hey, I’m a giver. Grame Wood has written a comprehensive piece on ISIS for The Atlantic which makes clear that their actions have nothing to do with wanting JOBS, or needing something else to do with their time. It is their THEOLOGY, their Islamic theology. This is a lengthy piece, and I cannot fully do it justice here. I hope you go and read the entire thing. It is eye-opening and revealing on a host of levels. But I will give you a taste of it here. From The Atlantic:

[…] The Islamic State, also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), follows a distinctive variety of Islam whose beliefs about the path to the Day of Judgment matter to its strategy, and can help the West know its enemy and predict its behavior. Its rise to power is less like the triumph of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt (a group whose leaders the Islamic State considers apostates) than like the realization of a dystopian alternate reality in which David Koresh or Jim Jones survived to wield absolute power over not just a few hundred people, but some 8 million.

We have misunderstood the nature of the Islamic State in at least two ways. First, we tend to see jihadism as monolithic, and to apply the logic of al‑Qaeda to an organization that has decisively eclipsed it. The Islamic State supporters I spoke with still refer to Osama bin Laden as “Sheikh Osama,” a title of honor. But jihadism has evolved since al-Qaeda’s heyday, from about 1998 to 2003, and many jihadists disdain the group’s priorities and current leadership.

Bin Laden viewed his terrorism as a prologue to a caliphate he did not expect to see in his lifetime. His organization was flexible, operating as a geographically diffuse network of autonomous cells. The Islamic State, by contrast, requires territory to remain legitimate, and a top-down structure to rule it. (Its bureaucracy is divided into civil and military arms, and its territory into provinces.)

We are misled in a second way, by a well-intentioned but dishonest campaign to deny the Islamic State’s medieval religious nature. Peter Bergen, who produced the first interview with bin Laden in 1997, titled his first book Holy War, Inc. in part to acknowledge bin Laden as a creature of the modern secular world. Bin Laden corporatized terror and franchised it out. He requested specific political concessions, such as the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Saudi Arabia. His foot soldiers navigated the modern world confidently. On Mohammad Atta’s last full day of life, he shopped at Walmart and ate dinner at Pizza Hut.

Nearly all the Islamic State’s decisions adhere to what it calls, on its billboards, license plates, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology.”

There is a temptation to rehearse this observation—that jihadists are modern secular people, with modern political concerns, wearing medieval religious disguise—and make it fit the Islamic State. In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse. […]

In other words, this is ALL about Islamic theology and ideology. It isn’t an aberration of Islam but rather fundamentalist Islam. The words of this leading expert, Bernard Haykel, says it all:

[…] According to Haykel, the ranks of the Islamic State are deeply infused with religious vigor. Koranic quotations are ubiquitous. “Even the foot soldiers spout this stuff constantly,” Haykel said. “They mug for their cameras and repeat their basic doctrines in formulaic fashion, and they do it all the time.” He regards the claim that the Islamic State has distorted the texts of Islam as preposterous, sustainable only through willful ignorance. “People want to absolve Islam,” he said. “It’s this ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ mantra. As if there is such a thing as ‘Islam’! It’s what Muslims do, and how they interpret their texts.” Those texts are shared by all Sunni Muslims, not just the Islamic State. “And these guys have just as much legitimacy as anyone else.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

It ain’t about jobs or any of these other contrived justifications. It is about establishing a Caliphate plain and simple.

Again, I cannot possibly do this piece justice here, and I urge you to read the entire thing. It is well worth your time as it highlights our national denial and the costs of not doing enough. Maybe someone could send Marie Harf a link…

This is an Open Thread.


31 Responses to “Jobs For Terrorists Argument Too Nuanced, Or Too Simplistic? *Open Thread*”

  1. mcnorman Says:

    I understand that the turd and co will now be waging war on twitter. Who has the better hastag? My bird is smarter than these morons.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Uh, yeah. Can you believe this crap?? Like George Will said to Juan Williams last night, what Twitter message is going to change their minds?!

      I have ZERO doubt that your bird is WAY smarter than these jokers.

  2. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    And then there is this disturbing revelation about ISIS:

  3. HELENK3 Says:

    this would be a good pick.
    she is smart, she knows DC and would be a good senator

  4. HELENK3 Says:

    I thought this was great

  5. HELENK3 Says:

    per eric holder, we are not at a time of war. should we tell him the islamic terrorists think we are. they are at war with us

  6. HELENK3 Says:

    stolen from the crawdad hole

  7. HELENK3 Says:

    new word harfing

  8. piper Says:

    Scott Johnson from Powerline giving advise to the college educated State Dept. Twit, Marie Harf,

    “Jobs programs don’t quite cut it when you’re in the 72 virgins business. This is where the administration’s comprehensive denial of the motive forces driving the terrorists is key. They aren’t looking for work. They aren’t looking to get rich. They aren’t looking for early childhood education. They aren’t looking for daycare programs. They’ve got something else on their mind, something else that is taboo to speak of in the higher reaches of the Obama administration.”

  9. HELENK3 Says:

    way off topic

    Next fall , i am going to Iceland and see the Northern Lights. Something I have wanted to do for a long time

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, YAY!!! That is FANTASTIC, Helen! So, so happy for you! WOW!!! You will have to take lots of photos and share them with us!

    • kinthenorthwest Says:

      WOw that sounds so awesome Helenk.
      Can I go with–Maybe I can find some of my Norwegian cousins there and set up residency…

  10. kinthenorthwest Says:

    Damn Amy I am about ready to find a turtle shell to hide in. This is getting too damn scary..I thought I lived in an area that was fairly safe from the Obama Tin foil people, but after the shooting I’m really not sure …
    Now i just read this on another forum and thought I share it with everyone.. Just listen to .Democrat Representative Louis Gutierrez and his treats against America….H3LL it looks like we are screwed no matter what we do with the Illegals..
    H3LL I do believe they will create problems for America financially and rising up against our country militarily . Here where I sub there is a huge % of Hispanics and the teens have been talking about taking back their lands for many years. Some of the talk is scary and I do believe its coming from home..

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      See, this is the thing that just PISSES me off, and that is the militancy of so many illegal aliens DEMANDING rights here. They have no ground on which to stand to DEMAND anything, and sure as hell could not get away with this crap anywhere else in the world. But here? Oh, the Dems cannot bend over fast enough to give in to them on every level. It is just astonishing.

      Gutierrez is an embarrassment.

  11. foxyladi14 Says:

    I hope our dear Marge is doing alright.
    I sure do miss her. ❤

  12. HELENK3 Says:

    US State Department responds to Iraqi UN Ambassador Alhakim’s claim that Islamic State is harvesting organs; says not in position to confirm comments but have no reason to doubt them – @NBCNews
    End of alert

  13. mcnorman Says:

    Reblogged this on Mcnorman's Weblog and commented:
    Never overlook the obvious.

  14. insanitybytes22 Says:

    Ah yes, jobs! Terrorists just need some job training. Not to put too fine of a point on it, but my community is now suffering with 16% unemployment.

    Come to think of it, maybe we do need to apply some reverse psychology here. President Obama can just start applying his economic skills to extremist countries. That will teach them. He’ll have their economies “booming” in no time. Then he can go on TV and tell everybody how awesome things are.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Isn’t it just remarkable? And he doubled down on all of this in a BIG way at yesterday’s summit, which might as well have been entitled, “Stop Victimizing Muslims!” It was just astonishing. More on that later, most likely.

      Hey, nothing else has worked yet – might as well try the reverse psychology!

  15. kenoshamarge Says:

    Good morning my friends. I have not really been feeling up to participating much but have stopped in to read every day. Evidently this is a longer road back that I anticipated.

    Still, I am making some progress. Love you all and have even dragged a cartoon along so you know this is no imposter.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      MARGE!!! So good to *see* you! As you can tell, we have been thinking of you, and worried abt you. Thanks for letting us know you are okay, Whew…

      No doubt recovering from this surgery is going to take some time. It was major, major surgery after all. Just take care of yourself, stay safe and warm. We’ll be here! 🙂

    • HELENK3 Says:

      so glad to see you back.You have been missed

    • foxyladi14 Says:

      Sending prayers and healing thoughts your way, Dear friend.
      And if it won’t hurt lots of Hugs.{{{{Marge}}}} ❤

  16. HELENK3 Says:

    guess it depends on your view

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