The Fallout Continues, But Not About Iran *Open Thread”


This is just ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. We have former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wiping her server clean AFTER a subpoena has been issues, but is that the major topic on the MSM? Nope. We have the continuing Iran capitulation going on in Switzerland to get a deal – any deal, and is that the major topic of discussion? Nuh uh.

Of course, it is INDIANA and it’s horrible, homophobic new law, the RFRA. Well, I guess we can add Arkansas to that since they just passed their own RFRA on Tuesday. In fact, the MSM devoted THREE TIMES as much coverage to this ginned up controversy than to the REAL scandals facing us right now.

That is just pathetic. And it is telling, very, very telling.

What else is telling is the sheer hypocrisy of some of those screaming the loudest about this law, and how they are gonna pick up their marbles and go elsewhere. Mary Catherine Ham had a great piece in Hot Air about this very thing, specifically, Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple:

The sheer level of willful deception and calculated, propagated ignorance of the actual content and scope of any Restoration of Freedom of Religion Act is astonishing, which others have chronicled far better than I. Apple’s CEO Tim Cook throws his emotional nonsense op-ed in the ring today, declaring religious liberty protections that exist in 30 states “dangerous,” and the sure path to a semblance of “days of segregation and discrimination marked by ‘Whites Only’ signs on shop doors, water fountains and restrooms.”

Cook, of course, does not note that in the years these laws have existed, no on has every successfully used this process of appealing the government “successfully to defend anti-gay discrimination, not in twenty years of RFRAs nationwide.” That would require dealing honestly and intelligently with the law’s content, which is what Gabriel Malor did in his Federalist piece and John McCormack has done, here. […]

Hey, wanna guess with whom Apple has been in talks, as Allahpundit pointed out in Tweets captured in this article? Did you guess IRAN? If so, you would be RIGHT! Yes, the CEO who is lambasting a state for reaffirming our First Amendment rights not be trampled because of what he sees as sheer homophobia is in talks with IRAN to sell his products.

And Apple products are already sold in Saudi Arabia. Wanna guess how these two countries deal with homosexuality? Let’s just see what WaPo has to say about Iran, and a few other countries served by Apple (h/t Hot Air):

Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni today signed a law that imposes a 14-year prison sentence for homosexual acts — and life sentences for those found guilty of “aggravated homosexuality.” A measure imposing the death penalty was removed from an earlier version of the bill.


Iran: In accordance with sharia law, homosexual intercourse between men can be punished by death, and men can be flogged for lesser acts such as kissing. Women may be flogged. (Emphasis mine.)


Nigeria: Federal law classifies homosexual behavior as a felony punishable by imprisonment, but several states have adopted sharia law and imposed a death penalty for men. A law signed in early January makes it illegal for gay people countrywide to hold a meeting or form clubs.

Qatar: Sharia law in Qatar applies only to Muslims, who can be put to death for extramarital sex, regardless of sexual orientation.

Saudi Arabia: Under the country’s interpretation of sharia law, a married man engaging in sodomy or any non-Muslim who commits sodomy with a Muslim can be stoned to death. All sex outside of marriage is illegal. (Emphasis mine.) […] (Click here to read the rest.

Is Tim Cook freaking out on them? Oh, no. Nope. I am sure he would fear being Islamaphobic or some such thing. And um, besides, well, uh, SHUT UP, that’s why it is different!

Of course it isn’t. It is just more hypocrisy from the Left, more treating their neighbors, family members, and opponents across the aisle with more contempt, disdain, and downright hostility, over PERCEIVED slights based on misinformation than they do people who actually condemn gay people to DEATH. How incredibly screwed up is that? How incredibly screwed up are WE as a nation when this is how politics is now done? And this is most DEFINITELY about politics, make no mistake.

Oh – and get this little tidbit of information. Two of the top ten major cases in which RFRA was used are not Christians. I am sure THAT is shock to you because of how the media is framing this whole thing. Nope, one is an Apache Indian, and the other is a Sikh woman who is a Federal employee.

But hey – why let facts get in the way of a good contrived controversy, huh?

Which leads me to this piece by David Brooks. I am not usually a fan of his work, but he has it right this time, I think. From the NY Times:

[…] The 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was supported by Senator Ted Kennedy and a wide posse of progressives, sidestepped the abstract and polarizing theological argument. It focused on the concrete facts of specific cases. The act basically holds that government sometimes has to infringe on religious freedom in order to pursue equality and other goods, but, when it does, it should have a compelling reason and should infringe in the least intrusive way possible.

This moderate, grounded, incremental strategy has produced amazing results. Fewer people have to face the horror of bigotry, isolation, marginalization and prejudice.

Yet I wonder if this phenomenal achievement is going off the rails. Indiana has passed a state law like the 1993 federal act, and sparked an incredible firestorm.

If the opponents of that law were arguing that the Indiana statute tightens the federal standards a notch too far, that would be compelling. But that’s not the argument the opponents are making.

Instead, the argument seems to be that the federal act’s concrete case-by-case approach is wrong. The opponents seem to be saying there is no valid tension between religious pluralism and equality. Claims of religious liberty are covers for anti-gay bigotry.

This deviation seems unwise both as a matter of pragmatics and as a matter of principle. In the first place, if there is no attempt to balance religious liberty and civil rights, the cause of gay rights will be associated with coercion, not liberation. Some people have lost their jobs for expressing opposition to gay marriage. There are too many stories like the Oregon bakery that may have to pay a $150,000 fine because it preferred not to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex ceremony. A movement that stands for tolerance does not want to be on the side of a government that compels a photographer who is an evangelical Christian to shoot a same-sex wedding that he would rather avoid. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Exactly. The result is what seems tantamount to major-league bullying by one segment of the country against the other, only in this instance, the bullies are aided and abetted by the Media and the White House, despite IL State Senator Obama voting for a similar law.

That we are treating one state so disparately, that we are treating each other with such callous disregard and often, downright hatred, while buddying up to countries who KILL people for being gay while failing to see the sheer hypocrisy, just boggles the mind.

What in the hell have we become?

This is an Open Thread.


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17 Responses to “The Fallout Continues, But Not About Iran *Open Thread””

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    What have “we” become? Most of us, the either silent or apathetic society don’t seem to care. Too busy texting what they had for lunch or taking selfies of themselves at car accidents.

    The rest of us that do care and make it damn well clear that we care and what we care about are either ignored or branded as right winged nut jobs. The media leads the smear campaign and the left takes advantage of it.

    Indiana is just another symptom of the great liberal whine.

    I posted this cartoon before but I think it is worth repeating.

    • foxyladi14 Says:

      Amen dear friend, Well said. 🙂

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I was just watching the news and seeing abt custom bikes being stolen from wounded Veterans in San Diego, to go along with the thug knocking out a man and breaking his jaw for accidentally stepping on his toes getting into a train in Philly, and the two thugs who beat the crap out of a man presumably over Ferguson (he was just minding his own business, but unfortunately for him, he was white – that seemed to be enough). We have a man who was the most powerful Senator in the USA for years stoop to levels that heretofore would have been appalling to most people, yet now there is little to no outcry except for ginned up, overblown, misinformed protests. Those same people are SILENT on things like this, or like Reid’s behavior. Just crickets…

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    According to Michael Goodwin, the Hillary gal just can’t help herself. I’m inclined to agree.

    Hillary can’t help herself: She’s addicted to deception

    She can’t help herself. Hillary Clinton is addicted to deception.

    The news that she used an iPad as well as a BlackBerry demolishes her already ridiculous claim that she set up a private email server so she would only need to carry one gadget as secretary of state. At a March 10 press conference, Clinton put it this way: “I thought using one device would be simpler, and, obviously, it hasn’t worked out that way. Looking back, it would have been probably . . . smarter to have used two devices.”

    Those comments, her first public ones on the scandal, are now revealed as a lie. What a way to start a presidential campaign!

    Oh, wait — it’s the Clinton way. Always was, always will be.

    The following paragraph is included mostly because I LOVE the word preposterous! It is so seldom used and that’s a shame since it says what it says so beautifully.

    Equally preposterous is her insistence that she could make her own rules, while also claiming she followed the letter and spirit of government rules. She did it her way because she thought the rules, like the truth, are flexible and that if she got caught, she’d get away with it.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, my – it is really something to see Goodwin’s progression, isn’t it? Much like our own journey, isn’t it?

      And he nails it abt Clinton, how “preposterous” it is that the rules don’t apply to her, or rather, she has her own rules…

      The cartoon is fantastic!

  3. foxyladi14 Says:

    Not surprised. 👿

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Are you kidding me?! This is the problem with having a politicized DOJ, this kind of thing RIGHT here. WOW.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        They touched on this on Special Report. The DOJ will not file charges against Lois Lerner but is going after Senator Bob Menendez. Proof, if you needed it, that they will go after their own if they don’t stay in line. Lerner did, gleefully, and Menendez did not. Lerner has been rewarded and Menendez has not.

        I would be a tad worried if I was the Obama Administration and especially the DOJ. Now that Senator Menendez has stepped down from his Foreign Relations Committee Post that sort of frees him up doesn’t it? What does Menendez know and will he tell it?

        They also pointed out that if Menendez steps down from his Senate seat that Chris Christie, a Republican gets to appointed his replacement and that could cause some problems with the Leach appointment. Just like the left, not thinking things through. Of course maybe they thought Menendez would just cave at their threats instead of getting pissed off.

        Senator Menendez Formally Charged With Corruption.

  4. HELENK3 Says:

    saw this on facebook and wanted to share it with as many people as possible

  5. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I am sure you have all heard abt the indictments the DOJ has handed down to Senator Menendez. If not, here are the particulars:

    Needless to say, he is NOT taking this lying down:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Posted my link to Townhall about Menendez before I saw that you had already covered it from The Hill. Sorry.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        No problem, Marge – your comment was spot on abt the difference between Lerner and Menendez. I have never seen a more corrupt gov’t in my life…

        Thanks for the Townhall link!

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    Story About First Business to ‘Publicly Vow to Reject Gay Weddings’ Was Fabricated Out of Nothing

    Woman becomes the new face of Christian bigotry while literally minding her own business, after ambush interview, media feeding frenzy.

    Some cursory internet forensics shows how it happened…or rather, how it was made to happen.

    ABC-57 reporter Alyssa Marino’s editor sends her on a half-hour drive southwest of their South Bend studio, to the small town of Walkerton (Pop. ~2,300). According to Alyssa’s own account on Twitter, she “just walked into their shop [Memories Pizza] and asked how they feel” about Indiana’s new Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

    Owner Crystal O’Connor says she’s in favor of it, noting that while anyone can eat in her family restaurant, if the business were asked to cater a gay wedding, they would not do it. It conflicts with their biblical beliefs. Alyssa’s tweet mentions that the O’Connors have “never been asked to cater a same-sex wedding.”

    What we have here is — as we called in journalism school jargon — “no story.” Nothing happened. Nothing was about to happen.

    Do you wonder how long the public is going to put up with a national media that focuses and then smears an ordinary citizen? Do people ever wonder if they could be next? Say the wrong thing or even say the right thing and have it twisted by some scumbag reporter?

    My own personal opinion is that if you have a business and bake cakes then you should just bake the damn cake and mind your own business about who its for. On the other hand I wonder at a couple that would want the “happiest” day of their life spoiled by having their wedding cake baked by someone who didn’t support their lifestyle and love. Are there no liberal bakeries who would help to make this joyful occasion even better?

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Just a thought…

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      This is precisely abt what I plan to write today, these kinds of assaults on businesses and people to push a narrative. It is truly disturbing. Truly disturbing…

      Thanks for the PJ Media piece, too – it is shocking what we have become.

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    Daniel Greenfield points out the hypocrisy and deceit of the left quite nicely. These people are the scum of the earth IMHO.

    As for the ” High School coach” that tweeted: “Who’s going to Walkerton, IN to burn down #memoriespizza w me”, she should never again be allowed near a school. She proved, with her own tweet that she is a criminal or at least willing to commit a criminal act.

    Media Finds Nicest Possible Way to Describe Arson Threat Against Memories Pizza

    After such worthy notables as Apple CEO Tim Cook and the big boss of Walmart took the time to tell the peons that religious freedom was unacceptable, Memories Pizza, a Christian pizzeria, stated that it was still fond of the Bill of Rights.

    Immediately the left (or as lefty media outlets like to collectively describe their hashtag collectivism ‘The Internet”) swarmed on the pizzeria, hacking its website, posting negative reviews and sending death threats. All this was described cheerfully in the media as high spirited activists having fun and adding to the conversation.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      She should not only be fired, but ARRESTED for inciting violence! What in the hell is going ON with people?!?! Good grief!

      Thanks so much for the Greenfield article!

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