These People Weren’t Terrorists… *Open Thread*


That was a point made on The Five Monday about the Ethiopian Muslims who threw the praying Christians overboard. THEY were fleeing from terrorists, but then became terrorists themselves.

It is a staggering concept to come to grips with this realization: Muslims fleeing oppression murdered a dozen Christians, and would have killed MORE, simply for praying.

I know I have written about this before, but I have to say, this event, and the other slaughters of Christians in the Muslim world, is really bothering me. Wait, let me correct that – it is the lack of response by so many people, those in power and those who consider themselves Christians, that is bothering me. No, not bothering me – infuriating me, saddening me, and frustrating me.

On Monday, I put up this article from the Washington Examiner at my Facebook page, “Obama Urged To Act As Slaughter Of Christians Escalates“:

[…] More than 50 organizations, scholars, religious leaders and human rights advocates, along with 43 members of Congress, called on Obama Monday to fill the vacant post of special envoy for religious minorities in the Middle East and South Central Asia, which has stood vacant since it was created.

The Islamic State this weekend circulated a video purporting to show the execution-style mass murders of Ethiopian Christians by Islamic terrorists in Libya. In February, the group killed 21 Coptic Christians on a beach in Libya and have been slaughtering Christians, Yezidis and other religious minorities systematically in Iraq since last summer.

“The breadth of support for the legislation underscores the urgency of the perils facing these communities,” the group of 50 religious leaders and human rights activists wrote in their letter to Obama. “In the seven months since the legislation became law, discrimination, repression and outright violence against religious minorities has only escalated.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

This article came on the heels of the murder of the dozen Ethiopian Christians. Learning that there is actually a position that was created by Congress in a BI-PARTISAN fashion to provide an envoy to deal SPECIFICALLY with that part of the world, the Middle East and South Central Asia that has gone unfilled is disturbing, and TELLING, I might add.

But no more telling than the response of my sister to this article. I should add, my sister goes to church every Sunday, and sings in the choir. What was her response to this plea by so many religious leaders, community leaders, scholars, and organizations? This:

“We’ve been waiting for six months for Lynch to be confirmed as AG. Ask yourself why that is.”

What the…??? What in the HELL does that have to do with the wholesale slaughter of Christians (and Jews) around the world?? NOTHING, that’s what, but she accomplished what she set out to do: change the subject. (Oh, and now that the Senate has reached a deal on the Human Trafficking bill the Democrats were holding up, a vote on Loretta Lynch will be forthcoming. That despite the race-baiting implication from my sister and other Democrats.)

She completely let Obama off the hook for his failure to not only not DO anything about these slaughters, like appoint someone to the Special Envoy position, but off the hook from even SAYING anything about it.

Frankly, this just makes me ill. It does. All I can think of is that Martin Neimoller poem:

“In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

Except this isn’t just happening in one country. It is happening in OUR country as the IRS is now targeting churches (as I wrote yesterday), as Americans are not able to voice their religious opinions, as a highly decorated Naval Chaplain is under investigation for making Bible-based statements in a private counseling situation, and on I could go.

That is scary, dangerous, and so antithetical to the very foundation of this nation, I simply cannot understand how we got here. We are losing our religious freedom here, as The Federalist highlights in regards to the recent Indiana upheaval:

[…] The question that moderates must therefore ask themselves is this: Is it worth risking minor inconvenience for the sake of protecting the livelihoods and freedoms of all Americans from the mob; or is it better to hand the livelihoods and freedoms of all Americans over to that same mob to protect them against minor inconveniences?

The question has a clear answer. Cowardice alone muddies the waters, for no one wants to draw the ire of the rainbow fascists and their media mouthpieces. But supplication will not allow the moderates to stay out of it. The mob has already made it clear that they think tolerance is for chumps; nothing less than mandatory celebration will satisfy them. Moderates will never be able to reason with them nor appear reasonable to them. They will never be spoken well of or respected by the mob until they join it. In the end, the moderate will have no choice but to be on one side or the other; his only real choice is which side.

There has been a great deal of talk about being on the right side of history, but this is a meaningless sentiment. When it comes to such matters, history flip-flops more than a career politician. When the End comes, history will not be our Judge. The more meaningful place to be is on the right side of justice and freedom. One ought not let his fear of the mob steer him away from that when religious liberty is targeted in his community. (Click here to read the rest.)

That is just it. On which side of history do we want to be, both in terms of religious freedom in our country, and the ability to be Christian, or Jewish, and LIVE, in other countries? With whom will we stand, or will we stand at all? Because right now, it looks to me like too many of our leaders are sitting this one out…

This is an Open Thread.


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50 Responses to “These People Weren’t Terrorists… *Open Thread*”

  1. insanitybytes22 Says:

    Frightening stuff, isn’t it? Good point about how disturbing the lack of political response from the President is. That’s some crappy leadership right there. It would take nothing to simply acknowledge the tragedy and condemn this behavior. It is not okay.

    Really disturbing because sometimes you encounter people on the internet who have followed the culture’s lead, so they won’t even admit that beheading or drowning Christians is a simple case of right or wrong, to any sane person, just flat out wrong. The number of excuses offered is just pathetic. When we cannot even agree that something so blatantly cruel is wrong, we are lost indeed.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thank you, insanity. Yes, we do seem to be lost. I could not begin to tell you how disturbed I was that my sister immediately went to the place abt the Lynch Confirmation in a post that had NOTHING to do with her in any way, shape, or form, but the refusal of the President to appoint an envoy to a position created to provide support to religious minorities. WTH? How can someone, a regular church goer, no less, make that kind of leap?? It defies logic, rationale, reason, and just decency.

      You said it, though – when people cannot even acknowledge that the drowning of Christians at the hands of Muslims, or the beheading of Christians at the hands of ISIS, is horrendous and MUST be stopped, we are in a BAD place…

      • mcnorman Says:

        People focus on that which is easy. I remember reading about Neville and Winston. Churchill saw what was coming while the other hoped it would all fade away somehow. There are hard choices and easy ones. Today, too many people prefer to avoid the difficult path even though it is the correct one. I suppose until it all hits home again, most feel safe with two oceans distancing themselves from such atrocities.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    The lack of response from the left about the murder of Christians is repulsive. It’s almost as if they fear by addressing the issue of murdered Christians they are somehow pandering to the conservatives.

    The response from your sister is why I have little or nothing to do with the lefty branch of my family. Somewhere in the back of my heart is the love I have and always will have for them. But in the front is the disgust I feel for them and the disinclination to interact in any way with such disgusting people.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Marge, I think you have hit the nail on the head. The Left will think it is capitulating somehow to the Right if they actually stand up for Christians, because of course – ALL Christians are Conservatives, right? I am sure that would be news to my sister, but we have seen how she deals with the disconnect between the rhetoric and reality – ATTACK! Yep, that sums it up, I think.

      And yes. It is REPULSIVE that so few are speaking up on this, and the rampant anti-Semitism that is enveloping this nation and much of Europe. It is truly upsetting to me, and makes me want to weep in sorrow…

    • foxyladi14 Says:

      Same here Marge. 😦

  3. HELENK3 Says:

    I saw this last night. my first thought was, is there any one or anything that is bad for this country, that backtrack will not help?

  4. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I guess this is why Obama doesn’t have the time or inclination to speak out abt the atrocities in Armenia, the Mediterranean, and rampant anti-Semitism. He is too busy hosting pro-PLO, anti-Israel people at our White House:

  5. HELENK3 Says:

    US officials say former Pentagon spokesman Admiral John Kirby will retire from military, move to State Department as spokesman – @AP

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Interesting that – I guess he will be able to continue talking out of both sides of his mouth then. Ahem.

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    This cartoon says it very well:

  7. HELENK3 Says:

    just got my first call from Hillary camp.
    I started laughing. said you have to be kidding. I have bumper sticker on my car that reads
    REMEMBER BENGHAZI 9-11-12 and hung up on him

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    Here’s one member of the liberal media who is less than impressed with HRC and her spouse. Fournier has a clear and honest and factual< piece about the Clintons. That alone is worthy of note from a liberal. Perhaps Ron Fournier actually cares more about his ethics and doing an honest job that pushing an ideology he believes in. At least he seems, in this piece to be acting like a reporter not a press agent. Good for him!

    The Questions Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Want Answered About the Clinton Foundation

    Gennifer Flowers. Cattle futures. The White House travel office. Rose Law Firm files. The Lincoln Bedroom. Monica Lewinsky. And now, the Clinton Foundation. What ties these stories together is the predictable, paint-by-numbers response from the Bill and Hillary Clinton political operation.

    1. Deny: Salient questions are dodged, and evidence goes missing. The stone wall is built.

    2. Deflect: Blame is shifted, usually to Republicans and the media.

    3. Demean: People who question or criticize the Clintons get tarred as right-wing extremists, hacks, nuts, or sluts.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      First of all, great cartoon!

      Second of all, I had to do a double-take when you wrote that it was RON FOURNIER who wrote this piece. WOW. Color me a tad surprised by that. But good for him for writing it. Let’s see if people heed his warnings (not the ideologues – they will vote for her regardless).

      Isn’t it funny that the SAME PEOPLE who attacked Hillary and put her down are now the ones touting what a great president she will be? The sheer hypocrisy goes on and on and on and on…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        That the same people that attacked her so viciously are now in her corner is so strange – and you’re right, they’ll vote for her anyway. Evidently she redeemed herself by backing off and letting the black MAN go first. Where is the feminism in that? And why are the feminists so strangely silent about it? Perhaps not so strange at all when you have sold you soul for an ideology.

        Ron Fournier will from time to time, like Kirsten Powers, remember that he has a conscience and they he is supposed to be a reporter and will tell the truth. Seeing him not just follow the party line is always a surprise. He believes with all his heart in the ideology he, and Powers, seem to be unable, from time to time, to accept the people and the way to get there. Both support ObamaCare wholeheartedly but both have written about how badly it has been handled.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Good point abt selling one’s soul for an ideology. It is just amazing to see how all of a sudden, there is no one else but Clinton (and I am with Dana Perino – I don’t think Warren is a viable candidate but a tool to move Clinton farther left. She is nothing more than an academic-turned-senator-leftie-hypocrite-liar, which I realize doesn’t rule her out for the far Left, but does for the rest of the country).

          And true abt Fournier and Powers. I know Powers had quite a problem with Obamacare when it affected HER PERSONALLY. Funny how that happens, huh? But yeah – they are true believers but seem to have a conscience occasionally…

  9. piper Says:

    Until the voters who wanted obama at any cost admit their mistake in elevating him to a job that he is equivacally unqualified for, they will continue to make excuses and deflect any criticism of him. We all need to be mindful of their feewings and the brownie points they received for participating in this obamation.
    Sadly too many people are praising themselves for being tolerant and overcoming our country’s racist history – not.
    If obama is people’s pet why the constant trashing of Allen West, Ben Carson and Herman Cain who actually experienced life as AAs?

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      The hypocrisy is amazing isn’t it? Evidently many Obama supporters are able to see racism whenever Obama’s policies are questioned but deny it when conservative blacks are attacked. Same for women. War on women is only called if it is a liberal woman. To have that kind of foolish tunnel vision must be painful. It certainly twists the brain into strange configurations.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        You know, Marge, all those years I was marching for women, I didn’t know it only meant liberal women. For some crazy reason, I thought it meant ALL women. Silly me!

        All to say, you are spot on!

  10. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    This is good news abt Attkisson:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Great news! Nice to see her get the recognition she deserves. And I couldn’t agree more with what she said,

      “Americans are thirsty for reporting that holds powers-that-be accountable, whether they are politicians, corporations or other special interests.”

  11. HELENK3 Says:

    good bumper sticker

  12. kenoshamarge Says:

    Your hardworking MSM at work. Or are those teenage fans running after some “Rock Star”?

  13. kenoshamarge Says:

    “Journalists” were chasing the van because… And I am using the word “journalist” with tongue in cheek.

  14. HELENK3 Says:

    Clinton – Russia – urarium

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I just heard that Bret Baier is doing a special on all this Clinton Cash information, including this story, Friday night. Stay tuned! πŸ™‚

  15. HELENK3 Says:

    another reason I will vote for him

  16. HELENK3 Says:

    US overtaking OPEC.
    good for the US.
    must be driving backtrack nuts

  17. HELENK3 Says:

    good and interesting read

  18. piper Says:

  19. HELENK3 Says:

    model for ” Rosie the Riveter” dies.
    this picture made so many little girls at the time believe we could do so much to help the war effort

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Women contributed mightily to the war effort. For their contributions they were patted on the head, told thank you girls now put on your apron and get back in the kitchen. Luckily the “girls”, many of them, said screw you paternalistic jerks and went on to be as much as they could be.

      Some went/stayed home because that was what they wanted to do and that’s great. Just as long as its a choice we make for ourselves.

      Isn’t it amazing how many “feminists” who are all for “choice” when it comes to abortion are not so sanguine about “choice” when it comes to women deciding to be stay-at-home moms. Whole lot of denigrating going on there.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        You said it, Marge. It is all abt CHOICE and not being denigrated for making one that suits you and your desires.

        And you are right, women most definitely did contribute a great deal to the war effort. Amazing women…

        Helen, thanks for the article abt “Rosie” – what an inspiration that picture was for so many, and for so long…

        May she rest in peace…

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