On Immigration, Change, Change, Change, Change… *Open Thread*


Hillary Clinton is currently on the road discussing her agenda and her policies. Recently, she spoke to a bunch of young people on her “I’ll go farther than Obama on Illegal Immigrants!” platform she is touting. I am sure you have heard it, but just in case, here it is:

Oh, yes – it is SO important to allow DREAMers and their families, all here illegally, to share in the bounty of all the rights and privileges accorded to US Citizens and those who came to this country the RIGHT way, working hard, paying their dues, and wanting to be Americans. Yep, never mind that the people about whom Clinton is speaking are here ILLEGALLY, as in they violated the law by coming here over the border, and have continued to break the law by being here. Oh, and in many places, getting perks like in-state college tuition (which just blows my mind).

This is now, but it wasn’t so long ago that Hillary had a VERY different take on Illegal Immigrants and their place in our great country. From HotAir.com, we have this audio from a few years back:

Uh huh. Well, she is sure singing a different tune NOW, isn’t she? And how.

Allahpundit at HotAit.com addresses why Clinton is now taking this stand (I am sure you can guess why):

Via Jeff Dunetz, a time capsule from 2003 rescued from the memory hole by GOP oppo researchers. We already knew she said this, but knowing it and having it available as a soundbite for attack ads are two different things. It’ll come in handy next summer when she’s busy trying to convince Latinos that our inevitably pro-amnesty Republican nominee, who may well himself be Latino or have children who are Latino and who’ll probably have a Latino running mate, hates illegals because many are Latino.

The attack ads won’t work, though. The whole point of Tuesday’s pander-monium with DREAMers in Nevada was to assure amnesty fans that she’ll say or do virtually anything to make Latinos show up for her the way they did for O. Legal status for parents of young illegals? Consider it done, even though the Obama White House says the president lacks the authority to do that. (Seriously. Watch the second clip below.) Legal status for adult illegals who don’t even have kids? No word on that yet, but all immigration activists have to do is ask. If anything, this soundbite is useful leverage for the open-borders left to extort even bolder campaign promises from her. “How can we trust someone who once said she adamantly opposes illegal immigrants unless she promises to unilaterally legalize America’s entire illegal population as president?” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Here is the video Allahpundit mentioned above:

There is no doubt this is a major pander on Hillary’s part. And it should be no surprise she has done a MAJOR 180 on this position if she thinks it will garner her the support she needs, stave off Warren (still do not understand how someone who hasn’t served a full Senate term and was an Academic with no other experience to speak of than being a professor is considered a real contender for President), and get her the votes she needs.

But truth and integrity do not seem to be all that important to Hillary anyway, as we have seen. Her destruction of most of OUR emails, all of the emails relating to her work as Secretary of State belonged to US, and wiping the server clean has made it abundantly clear that she will do whatever is necessary to get her that job. Never mind Benghazi, and all the other lies, manipulations, and subversions in which she has engaged, throwing whoever and whatever under the bus as needed (including Israel).

I have to say, though, that Hillary isn’t the only one with shifting opinions on Immigration. Gov. Scott Walker has “evolving” views as well, as the Federalist highlights:

First, Walker disavowed an openness to amnesty for illegal immigrants that he had held for a decade or more.

“My view has changed, I’m flat-out saying it,” Walker told host Chris Wallace in an interview on “Fox News Sunday” that aired March 1. “I don’t believe in amnesty, and part of the reason that I made that a firm position is because I look at the way this president has mishandled that issue.”

In the same interview, however, Walker said he could envision “a way” for illegal immigrants to win citizenship after paying penalties yet to be determined.

Next, Walker said late last month they would first have to return to their country of origin. He then moved into territory that most politicians avoid: He said he would consider new “adjustments” or “restrictions” on how many legal immigrants are allowed in.

His underlying principle, Walker says, is first considering jobs and wages available to workers who already are U.S. citizens.

“The next president and the next Congress need to make decisions about a legal immigration system that’s based on, first and foremost, protecting American workers and American wages,” Walker told conservative commentator Glenn Beck on April 20. “We need to have that be at the forefront of our discussion going forward.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Absolutely, Americans MUST come first in any discussion about Immigration, illegal or legal. Absolutely, and that does seem to be a major piece missing for Hillary. That and her desire to use her new-found position to attack Republicans.

I understand people change their positions on things – hell, I have changed from being a lifelong, die-hard Democrat to an Independent, after 2008. So I get that for both of them their positions may “evolve.”

That said, there is a difference between organically coming to a change of heart or position based on experience and additional information, and pandering to get votes from a certain bloc of people. THAT is what must be considered when reviewing where people were, and where they are now. Are they standing for ALL Americans, or trying to appease a certain group? Those are the questions that should be asked. At least that’s what I think. How about you? This is an Open Thread.


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34 Responses to “On Immigration, Change, Change, Change, Change… *Open Thread*”

  1. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Loretta Lynch is on now saying they will investigate the Baltimore Police to see if they violated the Constitution. Different AG, same result – it is ALL abt the police. I had queried the same thing as Hume did on Special Report – when are people going to look at the COMMUNITIES and see what reforms THEY need to make?? They are the ones who were engaging in violence, lawlessness, theft, destruction, and more. WHO is going to hold THEM accountable? Ugh – I am just disgusted…

  2. HELENK3 Says:


    what is the backtrack bunch giving away in this deal that it has to be so secret.

    If congress can not read bills but pass them anyway, lets get people in their that do read and get rid of those who do not

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      No kidding. Did they learn NOTHING from the Obamacare disaster?? What the hell is wrong with these people? They were sent to DC to do OUR business, which means they should READ the damn bills before voting on them. Anything less is just a dereliction of duty.

  3. HELENK3 Says:


    if they come into this country , the laws and customs of this country must come first

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      No kidding. Other countries have learned the hard way, as we are beginning to, the DANGERS of people not assimilating into our culture.

  4. HELENK3 Says:


    WTH is going on?

  5. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Another thing that has me riled up today, on this 70th anniversary of the end of WWII – why in the HELL was Obama not at the commemoration? WHY was SUSAN RICE, who has lied repeatedly to the American people the one chosen to speak to all of these veterans and active duty service members? What the hell is Obama doing that is SO much more important than attending this ceremony in DC???


  6. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    And here’s another thing: all of these newscasters are attacking Pamela Geller PERSONALLY, acting like she is a complete and utter nutjob for raising the alarm abt radical Islamist extremists in our own country, and the threat they raise. Then, without missing a BEAT, totally oblivious to the irony, announce that the Pentagon has raised the security threat on its bases: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/241447-pentagon-raises-protection-level-at-military-bases

    Just astonishing. No matter WHAT one thinks of her personally, the reality is that TWO ISIS-related terrorists DID try to wage a terrorist attack at her event. How does that point get missed?

  7. HELENK3 Says:


    this will have liberals foaming at the mouth.

    wait for sharpton and jackson to start spewing

  8. HELENK3 Says:

    Today is VE Day
    Thank You to the Greatest Generation for our freedom

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Absolutely, though I cannot help but wonder what they would think of where we are now…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        They would see a people, at least 1/2 of who, would trade security for safety. And they would wonder, I know my Dad would, if the sacrifice was worth it all. Then he would have shrugged and said, “hell yeah”. Because he was military to his bones and a patriot all the way through. He was not a perfect man but he was a father to be proud of, he all the other like him that gave so much.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          He certainly sounds like a man of whom to be proud, Marge. And I bet that is what the other members of the Greatest Generation would say, too – they fought for their country, and saved the world…

    • foxyladi14 Says:

      Our Heroes!!! ❤

  9. HELENK3 Says:


    backtrack at a fundraiser in Oregon.

    if all American kids go to Mexico and sneak back in across the border will they get benefits?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Sigh – he is hellbent on giving away this country. When people get something for nothing, they don’t value it quite the same. That’s why you see all of these protests where illegals are DEMANDING they be given rights rather than being thankful they are here at all and wanting to make it legal…

  10. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    IJ Review had this at their site, noting that famed law professor, Alan Dershowitz, applauded Megyn Kelly for her remarks. When you hear what she has to say, you’ll see why he did it:

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