Our Marines Are Supposed To Do WHAT? And About That Flag… *Open Thread* UPDATED


UPDATE at the end of the post.

Following the terrorist attack on not just one, but TWO recruiting centers in Chattanooga last week, killing a total of five brave service members, the Secretary of Defense, Ash Carter, has decided on a method to protect our Marines from radical Islamists. You know, the ones whose name Obama dare not speak as if they were all Voldemort. Want to guess what it is?

If you said, “allow them to be armed,” you would be wrong. If you said, “don’t wear your Marine uniform to the Recruiting Center,” you would be right. Yes, that is how the Secretary of Defense under the Obama Administration, is handling these threats and crimes against our military – have them act as if they aren’t IN the military.

Wow. Is this really where we are now? Apparently so, as the Marine Corps Times reports:

The military services have taken swift action to increase security after Thursday’s shootings in Tennessee, even closing some facilities and telling Marine recruiters not to wear uniforms in public.

Defense Secretary Ash Cater approved immediate steps taken by the military branches to increase security and has told the services to get back to him by the end of next week with additional force protection measures, Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook said in a statement on Friday.

The steps were taken just a day after a gunman attacked two military facilities in Chattanooga, leaving four Marines and one sailor dead. Suspected gunman Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez was killed in the attacks on a joint-service recruiting station and a nearby Navy Operational Support Center.

One of the steps Carter approved was Marine Corps Recruiting Command’s decision to have recruiters not wear their military uniforms for now, a defense official said. The recruiting command also closed down all offices within 40 miles of the facilities in Chattanooga and increased the force protection condition level from “Bravo” to “Charlie.”

“Charlie” is the third highest security level. It indicates an incident has occurred or officials have evidence that terrorists are planning an attack. Security measures can include thorough vehicle inspections and requiring an escort to get on base, according to a pamphlet from Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst in New Jersey. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Here’s the thing. If a terrorist decides to go shoot up a military recruiting center, will the absence of what identifies our military – their uniforms – not being present stop them? I seriously doubt it. That is just illogical. If someone is hellbent on shooting up the center, I imagine they will do it REGARDLESS of how the people inside are dressed. So to have our Recruiters not dress in their uniforms to recruit people into the Armed Services just seems ludicrous to me. Hard to even imagine a military recruiter NOT in uniform. Next, they are going to have them skulking around on corners unidentified as military recruiters to “protect” them rather than going after those who wish to do them harm.

And speaking of terrorists, you may recall that ISIS has already threatened the families of our military, combing Social Media to filter them out. Rather than prompting action from our government toward a terrorist group threatening our soldiers and their families, the military families essentially have had to scrub any mention of their family member serving the Nation. They have had to censor their speech while our government engages in treaties with countries that support terrorism, like Iran. Talk about letting the Terrorists win…

Then there is the Obama White House response to the assassination of these Marines and Sailor. Rather, there is the LACK of the response from the White House. While others all around them, including at the Capitol Building, have lowered the Flag to honor the Fallen, the White House still has not done so.

Gov. Sarah Palin had a whole lot to say about it on Facebook:

If you follow Obama administration actions this summer, you see it’s their “Summer of the Flag”. They seek to ban some flags, light up our White House in controversial colors of others, inexplicably wave the white flag retreating from Iran’s terrorist regime, and today actually raised the flag of a communist nation in the halls of our US State Department. Why then is it impossible for this Commander in Chief to honor our fallen military heroes following last week’s terrorist murder spree in Chattanooga? He did so after evil attacks on Americans in Aurora, CO and New Town, CT – so why not now, Mr. President? Why not our troops?

Demand he do so! Whether you agree with me or not on other issues, please join this effort. If you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything, and this IS something to stand for!

President Obama – we shouldn’t even have to tell you, but lower the flags. It is the sign of respect. Include our White House flag, for honoring our fallen who were killed on their Chattanooga base where they’re working and sacrificing for all of us – including you.

No KIDDING we shouldn’t have to tell the COMMANDER IN CHIEF to lower the White House Flag when military members are murdered. We shouldn’t HAVE to, but apparently, with this President, we have no choice.

The last word goes to Montel Williams, a Marine, who has this to say to President Obama. From BizPacReview:

So, its now Monday evening. Did I miss an explanation from this President as to why he hasn’t ordered the flag to half mast after 5 service members and 1 police officer were assassinated by a deranged terrorist in Chattanooga, Tennessee????? Serious question.

They were assassinated in cold blood right here in the United States simply for wearing a uniform… By a terrorist… Does that not merit a measure of solemn respect? Mr. President, lower the flag and stop making servicemembers wonder what they are fighting for, please sir.

Well said, Mr. Williams. Well said. Lower the flag, Mr. President. Show some respect. Here is a visual to aid you (h/t KenoshaMarge):


This is an Open Thread.

UPDATE: The White House has FINALLY lowered the Flag. Apparently, this also goes for all public buildings. FINALLY. It took until mid-day to do it, mind you. But yeah, he has finally done the right thing, kicking and screaming, it seems. Wow. But hey – it is done now.


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42 Responses to “Our Marines Are Supposed To Do WHAT? And About That Flag… *Open Thread* UPDATED”

  1. kinthenorthwest Says:

    Thank you Amy—All across FB and the Internet People are asking the same question. I heard that people across American and lowering their flags to 1/2 mast themselves.
    Thought you might like to see this little gal; Tomi Lahren! She puts it out there in with no holds barred. If we had more young people like here I don’t think Obama would be sitting in the White House.

  2. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Marcus Luttrell has something to say abt the whole Uniform thing: Just heard something about Telling Marines not to wear their uniforms at the recruiting centers for their own safety…?! I have to tell y’all I laughed out loud, if anyone thinks for one second a Marine is gonna take his uniform off because he cares about his safety or is scared of some shitbag walking in off the street and trying this again ( WRONG) that’s not gonna happen, that’s not how we respond in the military when we get hit, we don’t take off our uniforms, drop our weps and run. Also you can outfit every recruiting station w/ firearms, grenades or a F.,?!ing tank, this goes down again and there is a good chance you’ll find the person beaten to death by the water cooler or stapler … The bullets will be the last of you problems. Think on it. RIP brothers, your families will miss you, the country will mourn you, and those still wearing the uniform will never forget you.


  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    Ash Carter’s response is what you would expect from a university professor which is what he basically is. A smart man? Undoubtedly. Wise in the ways of the military? Not a bit.

  4. lyn Says:

    The only flag Obama “cared” about was the Confederate one.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That and the Rainbow flag, though the Confederate one got far more press than any others. Just ridiculous that the PRESIDENT had to be told to do this for slain military personnel. Just astonishing.

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    Boehner ordered the flags lowered at the Capital Building too. The White House? Not yet.

    US FLAGS at State Capitols and US Capitol at Half-Mast But White House Still at Full Mast

    Several state capitols are flying the US flag at half-mast today in honor of the four Marines and sailor who were shot dead last week by a Muslim in Chattanooga, Tennessee.


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good for him (ironically, I added a link from Fox to the post above in which I mentioned the Capitol the same time you posted this! I meant to do it before I posted it…)

      And now that Obama has GRUDGINGLY lowered the flag at the WH and other public buildings, I am sure he hopes people will stop yelling at him abt his unbelievably screwed up priorities. Ahem.

    • kinthenorthwest Says:

      ty for the information sharing if you don mind

    • kinthenorthwest Says:

      Your site was updated WH finally lowers flag–Could that be because Obama is speaking to Veterans today??
      US FLAGS at State Capitols and US Capitol at Half-Mast But White House Still at Full Mast …Update: WH FINALLY Lowers Flag

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I have no doubt that his speaking to the VFW today is why he decided to go ahead and do it. I just struggles to understand the mindset of a President whose FIRST thought wasn’t how to honor these brave Marines and Sailor. Who didn’t give up a fundraiser and Broadway show to get down to the Memorial service.

        And I really do not understand the mindset of those who still follow him so blindly…

        • kinthenorthwest Says:

          Amy I do believe that there is some connection between him being in New York at the end of Ramadan with Empire State Building green light up(yes that is a yearly thing with the light up, I’m saying he was there to see that and ??)

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I think you’re probably right. It’s the same old Obama playing politics all the time. He is a repulsive POS! And are they so stupid that they think the VFW is too stupid to notice that he was waaaay late to doing the right thing? Obama is fast pissing off the military and will soon have to find other people to use in his photo ops.

        • kinthenorthwest Says:

          I am so looking forward to hearing how his speech goes…At least hopefully its similar to last year.

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    Why do Democrats think they don’t have to follow the rules and laws of this country? What makes them so special?

    ‘Morning Joe’ Blasts DHS For Using Private Emails: ‘Outrageous,’ ‘Befuddling,’ ‘Baffling’

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      What the hell??? Are you KIDDING me with this? Have they not been paying attention to the outcry over Clinton and the State Dept? I mean, they CLEARLY are not paying attention to the rules or law, but you would think they would have gotten the damn clue to use ONLY GOVERNMENT SERVERS for emails. What is WRONG with these people?!?!?!

  7. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    And speaking of Obama being forced to do the right thing, this goes along with something else that happened today. That would be Kate Steinle’s father speaking to Congress today abt his daughter’s murder.

    Along those lines, Trey Gowdy has something to say to Obama, the people whom he has chosen to call when he hasn’t said word one to this family:

  8. lyn Says:

    This is for Helen who is literally on the move:

  9. lyn Says:

    Jim Steinle, who’s 32-year-old daughter Kathryn was killed at a San Francisco pier earlier this month, testified at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Tuesday morning on illegal immigration enforcement.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thank you for putting this up, lyn. Just heartbreaking what that man lived through, and unbelievably tragic that he lost his daughter…

  10. kenoshamarge Says:

    Prayers for the families of those killed in Chattanooga as well as the family of Kate Steinle. Having lost a daughter myself I know the pain that will haunt her family for the rest of their lives. It will not be as intense but it will always be there.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thank you, Marge. Your comment is much appreciated. And I can ONLY imagine what it must be like to lose a child. I have no doubt that the pain will always be there. How could it not?

      Bless your heart…

  11. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Medal of Honor winner, Dakota Meyer, spoke on The Kelly File abt both the “gun-free zone” and telling the Marines not to wear their uniforms:

  12. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Perhaps Obama should have added, “eventually,” after saying that “we honor them…” Just a thought: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/248644-obama-eulogizes-five-dead-in-chattanooga

  13. kenoshamarge Says:

    One the lighter side…

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      AHAHAHAHA – adorable!

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Supposed to be a caption which for some reason didn’t come along with the image. The rabbit is saying: “Am I Dead?”

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        That’s even better, though the look of rapture said a lot! 😀

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          He thought he done died and went to heaven. Mine would be surrounded by cheesecake which is a seldom had treat these days. Lou is every vigilant, also knows as being a pain in the ass, since he’s sure that at least 50% of the blockage that necessitated the triple bypass was caused by cheesecake. He’s probably right.

          The other 25% was cheese – any kind any place and I am not allow ANY these days.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            ROTFLMAO abt the cartoon – that is HILARIOUS!!!

            Well, of COURSE you love cheese – it is required to live there, isn’t it? 😉 I love cheese, too, but dark chocolate would probably be my field, preferably with nuts in it.

            I can appreciate how hard it is to not be able to eat what you like now, and while I am sure you, um, appreciate Lou showing you how much he loves you by withholding cheesecake from you, I know it must be tough on more than a few occasions! 🙂

            But hey – if it means we get to keep you longer, that is GOOD!!!

  14. kenoshamarge Says:

    Is there no end to the lunacy of Donald Trump? He shares Lindsey Graham’s phone number. I am NOT a Lindsey Graham fan, never have been but this is not right.


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I am going to go out on a ledge and say, NO! No there isn’t. Graham can be right once in a while, but he is not my favorite, either. Still, it ain’t right to be sure…

  15. kenoshamarge Says:

    My mother-in-law, who came through a double bypass just 1 week before mine sent me this image a few minutes ago. In case the caption doesn’t come along again it’s called “the running of the bulls.”

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, wow – your family has really been through it! I hope your mother-in-law is recovering well!

      And Holy Cow, this is CUTE!! I literally LOL when I saw it. Thanks, Marge!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Elaine, my mother-in-law is an amazing and wonderful woman. We talk to each other about our experience and understand each other like the others simply cannot.

        Poor Lou was so worried about his mother when I had my bypass and he had the two women he loved most in the world in the hospital and in very serious condition at the same time.

        I actually was home first as Elaine had several complications and infections. Being 87 years old it’s no surprise she had problems and a big surprise how well she’s doing now. We talk often and compare notes. Her kids like me to talk to her on the phone often because they say I can cheer her up and make her laugh when no one else can. I think our being simpatico because of our “shared” experience has a lot to do with it.

        She often thanks me for bullying her into getting a computer and learning how to use it. Now she’s sending pictures and jokes and letters every day. Like me it keeps her in touch with the world on the days when we don’t feel up to getting far from our easy chairs. Bless the internet we tell each other all the time.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          How wonderful that you and Elaine have such a great relationship! I love that her kids want you to talk on the phone with her regularly since it cheers her up. I bet y’all were close even before the heart surgeries, but I have no doubt that brought y’all closer. Nothing like someone else who knows EXACTLY what it is like to have that surgery, and all that comes after it.

          Good for you, too, for getting her to get a computer. We tried to get my mom to get something, even if it was just to send email, but she wouldn’t have it. Oh, well. I think she would have ended up enjoying it as much as Elaine has.

          This comment made me smile thinking of you and your mother-in-law. I imagine she considers you a daughter to her, and a dear friend, too…

  16. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Outstanding piece by a military mom discussing the floundering around trying to understand why the terrorist who killed the Marines and Sailor was a terrorist. Her point – stop wondering abt him and start talking abt those brave Marines and Sailor who were killed: http://spousebuzz.com/blog/2015/07/dear-america-cut-the-crap-and-learn-their-names.html#?ESRC=family.nl

  17. kenoshamarge Says:

    Appropriate “cartoon” for this post donchathink? And something to think about anywhere IMO.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, wow – that really does nail it.

      I just saw a clip of Obama on The Daily Show on COMEDY CENTRAL for a full HOUR.

      Are you kidding me with this crap??? He will spend an HOUR talking to Jon Stewart, making fun of very serious issues, like the Iran deal, but he can’t be bothered to call the STEINLE family???

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I know I am probably in the minority in this country these days but I don’t think a POTUS belongs on Comedy Central or on Jay’s couch or with Letterman or any of those programs. To me it demeans the office.

        I get that this POS is trying to show he’s a “man” of the people. That’s pure b.s. He’s a narcissist who is getting all the attention he wants. Ditto Donald Trump. Two of a kind and both very bad for the image of the presidency and the dignity of the office. Of course “dignity” isn’t much used these days. And that’s a damn shame since dignity is a very important thing and to me goes hand in hand with respect.

        But back to Obama’s court jester:

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