“Clown Immigration Plan” *Open Thread*

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I had fully intended to write about something else entirely this morning. I had considered this piece from the Daily Signal regarding Planned Parenthood and what questions our Congress should be asking. I had also considered the breaking news yesterday that the IRS hack has exposed the personal data of hundreds of thousands more of our fellow citizens than they first admitted.

But then I read this Federalist piece by the publisher of The Federalist, Ben Domenech, “Donald Trump’s Clown Immigration Plan; Donald Trump’s clown immigration plan doesn’t say how he’ll do anything, just that he’ll do it. Make America Great again!” I was laughing so much as I read it, I knew I had to put this up instead. (Honestly, since I am in a fair amount of pain this morning and it was able to make me laugh that much, I knew it had to be today’s post.) My only regret is that I will not be able to reprint it in its entirety. It is well worth a read. From The Federalist:

[…] This immigration plan is a perfect example of what Scott Adams has described as Trump’s clown genius ability to use intentional exaggeration to provide anchors for your brain, and persuade your subconscious to think things you would never originally think. Trump’s plan involves the deportation of millions of people, the seizure of money sent back to Mexico by illegal immigrants, and an end to birthright citizenship. Nowhere in this white paper is the how of what Trump would do addressed. Not the massive new hiring of a force to displace millions of people, many of whom are young citizens who have Constitutional rights; not the invasion of privacy necessary for the government to open every parcel sent to Mexico and investigate every wire transfer sent there or elsewhere lest the source be illegal; not the fact that ending birthright citizenship will require a Constitutional amendment. Trump’s white paper just says he will do it in three sentences, one of which is “End birthright citizenship.”

The understanding that children born here in America, even those born to non-Americans, are citizens dates back to the Founding generation, which was of course full of people who were not as wise as Mr. Trump. Those losers had no idea the sort of carnage their dumb ideas would unleash. Perhaps their own glorious triumph over the dirty brown people they encountered gave them false confidence about protecting our jobs.

It’s understandable given Trump’s identity politics play that he would continue on this line of thought – that terrible immigrants are destroying our economy, and terrible children of illegal immigrants are so burdening our social services that they, even as legal American citizens because of the stupid Constitution, must be deported along with their families. Of course, ending birthright citizenship would create European-style generational ghettos in American communities. (What’s next, Donald: is Kraftwerk going to play “Hail to the Chief” at your inauguration?) And as you’ll see in this video, it does contrast quite a bit with the policies of Republican presidents. But then, Trump is not a Republican.

Oops – I don’t reckon that is going to go over too well with some folks, claiming that Trump isn’t a Republican.

But that is just the start. Domenech goes through a few people who are the children of illegal immigrants, and how they have stolen the jobs of Americans. You know, people like Marco Rubio, the son of Cuban immigrants. Or this Governor:

[…] Or this guy, Bobby Jindal. What a dummy he is with all his fancy degrees from terrible non-American institutions like Oxford instead of big brain schools like Wharton. His parents weren’t citizens yet either, they were just here on student visas for six months. Six months! So they knew they were going to have their kid, so they came to America and they did it on purpose. He’s stolen a governor job from a real red-blooded American like William Jefferson who hid his cash in his fridge just like any normal guy.

Ahahaha, come on, that’s funny, right? But it is this one in particular that really hammers home Domenech’s point, and that would be this woman:

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Just in case you don’t know who that is, she is Maryanne Trump, Donald’s sister, about whom Domenech wrote this:

[…] And then there’s this lady, who somehow got to be a senior U.S. Circuit Court judge, despite the fact that when she was born in Queens in 1937, her mom was still a Scottish immigrant who was not an American citizen! Can you believe it? Not classy at all. She took this job from someone born to Americans! […] (Click here to read the rest.)

That just cracked me up. There is more in the article, including a good piece about Trump’s former wife, Ivana. Domenech managed to address the pitfalls of The Donald’s Immigration Plan with humor and wit.

For a more serious look, the good Judge Napolitano sums it up well, especially about deporting American-born children, here:

And there you have it.

There is lots more going on today. Feel free to discuss any of the above, or whatever else is on your minds. This is an Open Thread.

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43 Responses to ““Clown Immigration Plan” *Open Thread*”

  1. GinaR Says:

    Interesting piece at The Federalist. He seems to have focused on the 14th Amendment, talking about children of illegals. But I’m not sure if I agree with him on all counts. Personally, I think it’s time for the 14th Amendment to be repealed, and I would support a Congress that started the lengthy process. There are too many people coming into this country – either illegally or on visitor visas – who care coming in for the sole purpose of having a baby and that baby automatically becoming a US Citizen and then being allowed, at some point in the future, to take full advantage of all the rights of a citizen regardless of whether they grew up here or whether the parents then started the process to become legal residents.

    In my mind, there is a big difference between being a non-citizen and being an illegal alien. We need to remember the reasoning for the 14th Amendment, which was to ensure that the children of slaves would be given rights of citizenship. While I believe the founding fathers were true visionaries, I don’t think they could have envisioned an America that allowed million upon millions of people to swarm into this country in violation of the law (we are a nation of laws, after all) and then to demand – and be given – all the rights of a citizen, including government welfare at the expense of tax paying citizens. My grandparents were non-citizens when they came into the country, but they went through the process to become citizens.

    Domenich seems to think anyone who believes that a child born in this country should NOT automatically become a citizen, especially if both parents entered the country illegally and remain in the country illegally, thinks it’s all about jobs that child might eventually take from a child born of legal parents. For me, it couldn’t be further from the truth. For me, it’s about the law. You don’t get to sneak into this country, have a baby, get to have that baby automatically be granted citizenship, and then demand all the rights of citizenship yourself because your baby is a citizen.

    As far as Donald Trump’s mother being a non-citizen from Scotland, did she sneak into the country illegally? Did Ivana Trump sneak into the country illegally? There’s a difference between coming into the country legally and sneaking in – or overstaying visas – illegally. If you come into the country illegally and remain here illegally, your kids don’t get to be citizens.

    So, while I may agree with Trump on that issue, I would also say that his whole plan of “trust me, I’ll take care of it” is beyond ridiculous and too reminiscent of another candidate in 2008 who promised he’d fundamentally transform this country, trust him. And look where that’s gotten us!

    We need immigration reform. But to me, it’s not reform to just give amnesty to millions of criminals and lawbreakers. It’s not reform to say “trust me, we’ll get them all out and them help them come back.” It’s not reform to say you’ll confiscate all the money from illegals and use that to build a wall. It’s just more of that god-complex that we’ve been dealing with for 7 years.

    Oh, and while I’m ranting, I don’t agree with Napolitano about a wall. We’ve got to build what we need to build to protect our borders.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I think this piece was intended to be a bit tongue-in-cheek, and focused on what he did because of the comments Trump made on his plane while talking to Chuck Todd. And Trump talks a lot abt the jobs illegals steal from Americans, hence that focus of the piece. (The serious one I linked to above goes into more detail abt that.)

      Yes, I understand the 14th Amendment was for slaves and Native Americans, but I agree there are problems with how it has been used, especially in the last few decades. It was not intended to allow “anchor babies” which in turn made the argument abt splitting up families, etc., etc.

      And no doubt, there is a HUGE difference between illegal aliens and non-citizens. People can be here legally who are not citizens, and who may, or may not, try to become naturalized.

      Bottom line, yes, something needs to be done abt Immigration, but I think some other folks have much better ideas!

      • GinaR Says:

        Yeah, I got the tongue-in-cheek bit, and did laugh at what he said! But I guess the core piece of it was, he was making fun of Trump talking about kids born illegally taking jobs away, and reinforcing how silly it is, without also making a stand against the illegals who were coming here and having babies who are automatically granted citizenship. Which then leads my mind to “well, he must think it’s okay to grant citizenship to babies of illegals.”

        Of course, as you can see, I get a tad bit testy on this subject of illegals, citizenship, amnesty, and all that!!

        And yep, there are others who have much better ideas on how to deal with the illegal alien issue, but those ideas are coming from grownups and we appear to have a large segment of society who, despite having a child in the WH for 7 years, wants to fall in line behind a sophomoric loudmouthed crude narcissistic egomaniac because he doesn’t give a flying rat’s behind what anyone thinks and golly gee, ain’t that grand! Of course, they also don’t want to acknowledge that his opinions shift at the first breeze…

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I know you knew, just saying abt the humor piece. I think it is because Trump was claiming he was going to deport natural born US citizens – but to WHERE would he deport them if they are US citizens?!? It is laughable in its whole concept because it is wholly impossible.

          No doubt we need to do something, but we do have some serious people with good ideas on this. They aren’t getting the traction Trump is precisely for the reasons you cited above. People seem to want that these days, the same ones who have been complaining abt Obama since 2008. It makes no sense to me whatsoever, and I truly worry for the nation…

          • GinaR Says:

            I knew you knew I knew….LOL….

            I think, for me, that’s the issue, that children born of those who are here illegally are considered natural born US citizens, and therefore cannot be deported, and therefore can petition for their illegal parents, and siblings, and grandparents, and aunts and uncles and cousins to remain here legally. It’s rewarding illegal behavior, while those who obey the law and follow the rules to gain citizenship, have to wait years in order to take that oath that they truly value.

            I worry for the nation, as well…..

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Gina, that is exactly it. I have zero problems with people immigrating to these country legally (or come here for asylum), who value and take pride in being US citizens.

        But the system as it stands now, as you described it, is a broken system and is overwhelming us. That is NOT how it was intended to be, no doubt abt it…

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    Donald Trump gave a speech yesterday where he accused Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton of being under the control of lobbyists, special interests, and deep-pocketed donors. Trump says we should vote for him because he’s not under control at all. ~ Seth Meyers

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    Have you noticed?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      And a double standard it most definitely is. I posted the serious article from The Federalist at a private group and the response was to tear it down and claim no interest in addressing the Trumpenomics critique.

      WOW. This is from people for whom I had respect in terms of political opinions previously, but they have jumped into the vat of Trump Kool Aide just as much as the Obots did/do. It is truly astonishing. And it makes me sad because it bodes so poorly for the nation…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I’ve had the same experience and it brought a feeling of déjà vu in dealing with Obots back in 2008. Some are people who I had in the past respected. Not now. IMHO Trumpites are the new Obots. Evidently if you don’t “like” Trump then you are for Bush. WTH is with that kind of asinine logic?

        I’m so tired of arguing that I usually just post a Trump cartoon in response to all the arguments and insults. They might look at the pretty pictures if they won’t listen to reason.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Yes, that is exactly what it is like! When they ignore facts intentionally and keep singing the praises anyway, I just shake my head out of sheer disbelief. I cannot wrap my head around how these very same people screamed bloody murder over the way the MSM treated Obama, then AND now, are now essentially demanding the same treatment for Trump.

          Yeah, those cartoons help – at least they provide an outlet for us that doesn’t make our heads explode…

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

  5. foxyladi14 Says:

    The next debate will tell the tail. 😆

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I wish I thought so. Watching the way the media is all about Trump all the time I expect that the debate will be the same. Many of the candidates will get little time or attention. Just like at the FOX debate.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        That is a big part of he problem, Marge. They are allowing Trump to suck all the oxygen out of the room. Check that, they are enabling him to do so…

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

  7. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Gov. Palin made an excellent point abt Clinton and her email debacle at Western Journalism: http://www.westernjournalism.com/sarah-palin-just-shared-this-hillary-clinton-comparison-and-its-epic:

  8. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    And the plot thickens even MORE abt that server and where it was kept, Oh, and check out the info abt the company handling it: westernjournalism.com/revealed-youll-never-guess-the-bizarre-place-a-hillary-email-server-was-reportedly-kept

  9. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yes, yes, YES – this is EXACTLY what is going on!! This is so spot on, and says it all so much better than I have been able to with my sheer frustration and disbelief. Thank you!!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I felt the same way when I found it. This says what I’ve been saying, only so much better. I’ve been spreading it around and the reaction from those who haven’t been beguiled by the Donald was the same.

        One more example of why I love cartoons! ❤

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I just read it to Suzy and said the same thing – it summed up what I have taken much longer to say out of my disbelief at the people saying this, if nothing else! Anyway – great one!

  10. kenoshamarge Says:

    Science Plus Politics Equals Politics

    By Andrew Klavan

    If you mix science with meddling overbearing government, you get meddling overbearing government. Note these recent stories about nutrition. The scientists who help compose the federal nutritional guidelines that govern what goes into subsidized school lunches have finally admitted that eating cholesterol — as in eggs, say — doesn’t actually increase your cholesterol, and skipping breakfast, well known to make people fat, doesn’t make people fat.

    At the same time, the researcher who once found important evidence for the existence of gluten sensitivity recently proved pretty much beyond a doubt that gluten sensitivity (barring celiac disease) doesn’t actually exist.

    Put all these discoveries together and what you realize is that when a meddlesome overbearing government fronted by Michelle Obama mandates school lunches that are universally decried as “gross” by people who eat school lunches, that’s not science — it’s just meddling overbearing government.

    http://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/2015/08/17/science-plus-politics-equals-politics/?singlepage=true

  11. kenoshamarge Says:

    Time to cleanses the palate with something beautiful.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Love it. Just love it. Thank you – it brought tears to my eyes…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Mine too. I just couldn’t figure out what she wrote. It’s a short video but it seemed like forever before they showed us. And that when the tears came to my eyes. Words can be so powerful.

  12. kenoshamarge Says:

    Black Woman Rips Council over Illegal Aliens

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/18/must-see-black-woman-rips-council-over-illegal-aliens/

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Holy smokes, that is some righteous rant. Good for her for standing up and speaking her truth. That takes some courage, to be sure.

      And the points she was making abt losing her job and the demands being made by illegal aliens regarding jobs and much more, was powerful.

      Thank you!

      Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

  13. helenk3 Says:

    had to share thsi

    https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11898580_1653978908153512_7772685994181865232_n.jpg?oh=dfee652ef6a8635c35dfe217820cddbe&oe=563CA880

  14. kenoshamarge Says:

    Press Conference Disaster: Hillary Refuses to Say if She Knew Her Server Was Wiped

    The press conference took on a surreal tone when Henry asked Clinton about FBI reports that said she wiped her server clean and the Democrat frontrunner played dumb.

    “Did you wipe the server?” he asked.

    “I have no idea,” Clinton answered. “That’s why we turned it over.”

    When pressed again if she wiped the server, Clinton shrugged and joked, “Like with a cloth or something?”

    She refused to answer the question.

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/08/18/press-conference-disaster-hillary-refuses-to-say-if-she-knew-her-server-was-wiped-video/

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Wasn’t that something? Good for Ed Henry for pressing her to answer the question.

      And can you believe the reports out now abt her server being in a bathroom closet? Ohmygosh, if that joke doesn’t just write itself…

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