A Refreshing Change From “Politicians As Usual” *Open Thread*


Oh, hell no, I am not talking about Donald Trump. Trump has been sucking the oxygen out of the room in such a way that the other candidates can barely get a breath. The media has become his lapdog, giving him free advertising on a regular basis. Frankly, I am weary of it. I am weary that no matter what he has said or done, his supporters continue to hold him up as the “non-Politician” who will bring REAL change to the White House.

Perhaps they need to consider the many changes in positions he has already made. To that end, the Daily Caller is doing a series on the many faces of Donald Trump. That is, his changing, “evolving,” positions on a host of issues, like abortion, immigrations, and guns, as this article highlights. Feel free to share it with your Trump=supporting family and friends, though I suspect their response to you will be the same as Trump’s response to Univision’s Jorge Ramos on Tuesday, “Get outta here!” But hey, you can try. Good luck with that. (By the way, Ramos was none too happy with the way Trump treated him. His problem? He expected an “honest answer” from Trump on Immigration.)

No, I am not talking about Donald Trump. I am talking about Carly Fiorina. I happened to catch this first person account of working with Carly Fiorina by Joe Russo at IJReview, and wanted to share with you what a real leader looks like. I know people keep saying she is a long shot, but if they actually had her (or Cruz, or Rubio, or Walker, or Carson) on as much as they do Trump, perhaps it would expand her (their) support base for those of us who want a real leader who can get this country back on track. It is particularly refreshing to read an account by someone who knows her, worked with her, but who was not a peer to her in the business sense. Here is some of Russo’s account from IJReview:

There have been some recent opinion pieces written about Carly Fiorina’s time as the CEO of HP. Almost every single one of them was written by someone who has never worked with Carly and has little to no experience actually working for or running a business. Not surprisingly, almost every single one of them was inaccurate.

I first met Carly when she was still with AT&T and would later move over to Lucent Technologies with her after she led the IPO. The first thing I noticed about Carly was how different she was from most executives, who rarely interacted with other employees. Carly not only wanted to meet you and learn all about you, she asked your thoughts and opinions on how things could be improved. She made you feel like you were a part of the team. And beyond that, she cared about you as a person.

I remember one time I hurt my back and had to leave work early. Most executives at Carly’s level would not have even noticed. But Carly actually called me at home to check in on me. That is a level of compassion that is rare to find. People weren’t a means to an end. They were the end. Her demeanor suggested it, and her work product matched it.

When Carly spoke, we always knew that we could rely on her to be open, honest and inspiring. It wasn’t just because she was an accomplished, well-respected, successful executive: Carly was just plain cool. No one at Lucent ever missed a Carly Fiorina Sales Presentation, even if they were sick. Everyone felt like they needed to be in the audience. Her presentations were crisp, her message was appropriate, and her points clear. After each of her presentations, I remember feeling inspired, like I could accomplish anything as long as I was following Carly.

It was these traits and many more that contributed to the fact that Carly was a talented and adept businesswoman who worked hard and produced impressive results. Not many people know this, but while at AT&T, Carly negotiated the largest contract in our company’s history – $940 million. Every department, every service sector, every person at AT&T, we all prospered due to Carly’s ability to take care of the clients and take care of business. She wasn’t just the person you always wanted on your team. She was the person you always wanted to lead your team. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

If this country is going to pick a businessperson to lead us out of this mess we are in, I would submit that Fiorina is the one to whom we should be looking. A leader who is competent, smart, honest, and compassionate. A leader who notices when someone who works for her is having health problems and cares enough to pick up the phone. A leader who is savvy enough to negotiate a GOOD deal, not one that gives away the store (yeah, talking about you and the Iran “deal,” Obama). A leader who engages with others, who solicits the opinions of those who work for her, and who listens, not one constantly mouthing off at others, calling them names (yeah, talking to you, Obama and Trump).

If we are going to go for someone who isn’t a politician, a tall order all things considered, how about someone who is even keeled, not volatile; knowledgeable without being arrogant; compassionate not vindictive (again, talking to you, Obama and Trump); and who has the abilities to turn things around without alienating or berating or bullying to get the job done. Hey, just a thought.

At the very least, maybe we can hear more from Fiorina and the other candidates rather than the barrage of another ATT – All Things Trump.

That’s what I think anyway. How about you? This is an Open Thread.

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46 Responses to “A Refreshing Change From “Politicians As Usual” *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    I couldn’t agree more. I find the barrage of Trump “news” oppressive and the small amount of news I can find on Fiorina impressive.

    Like this:

    Only One Woman Running For President Pays Women as Much as Men

    Republican Carly Fiorina pays female campaign staffers more than male staffers

    As women working for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign struggle with a gender pay gap, women working for the businesswoman and Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina are coming out on top.

    The median female annual salary on Fiorina’s campaign is $69,724, about $15,000 higher than the median male annual salary of $54,829, according to data made available to the Washington Free Beacon by the campaign.

    The highest paid members of Fiorina’s staff are her campaign managers Frank Sadler and Sarah Isgur Flores, who both make $150,000 a year.

    The next six highest salaries on the campaign are all for female employees. The lowest salary is for a male.

    The campaign provided annual salary figures for staff on payroll as of the last Federal Election Committee filing deadline in July.

    A previous Free Beacon analysis of salary data included in FEC filings for the Clinton campaign found that women working for Clinton are not faring as well as those working for Fiorina.


    Once again Hillary doesn’t live up to her rhetoric. No surprise there. Seems Fiorina pays what the job is worth not by gender. That should be the criteria everywhere with everyone.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thank you so much for this comparison, Marge. That says so, so much, doesn’t it? This news should be mentioned every single time they mention the faux war on women, or how much Hillary pays. Fiorina needs to have some ads out, too.

      And you are right, that people should be paid based on experience and qualifications, period…

      Thanks for this!

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    • mcnorman Says:

      It bothers me greatly that the next debate they will not have her on. MSNBC = misogyny unless it is Warren or HRC.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        EXCELLENT point, mcnorman. It is incredible, especially with the surge Fiorina has, that they won’t allow her in. I think they are scared to death of her because she is so competent, articulate, and even keeled.

        • mcnorman Says:

          It comes as no surprise because they are part of the far left agenda. BTW, just so you know….Jorge Ramos does the immigration bs because his daughter works for HRC. HRC needs the votes. I can’t stand line cutters and Jorge’s behavior was that of a petulant line cutter. The analogy to those that have waited to get their paperwork for citizenship have sat patiently and then come the line cutters. Jorge is one of those icky line cutters now.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            OHMYGOSH – that explains SOOOO much, mcnorman! Thanks for the insider information.

            And yes, when I saw the video of what happened, he did try to “cut the line” with his question. Good analogy!

            That is the thing that drives me nuts – the cutting the line when others are doing all the right things to come here legally. Why should they be penalized because others are breaking the law and getting first dibs for it?? Sheesh.

  2. foxyladi14 Says:

    Carly would be an awesome POTUS. 🙂

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Agreed, Foxy!

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    • mcnorman Says:

      I would like to see her in the debates. You know that the ugliest and most awkward questions would be hurled at her first. She would easily answer them and that is why msnbc is scared of her.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Yes, exactly right. I think they know full well she can handle the toughest questions without getting defensive. That would not look good by comparison to, oh, I dunno, say Hillary, so they want to make sure they leave her out.

        • mcnorman Says:

          I see Fiorina in the same light as Sandra O’Conner. When she graduated at the top of Stanford’s law class all she was offered was a secretary job. Boy, you know she enjoyed walking on top of alot of heads all the way to the top at SCOTUS. She did it quietly and with grace. I’ve heard that Fiorina is a different type, but none the less she made it to the top of HP.

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    Charles Koch blasts Barack Obama

    CEO says attacks on him and his brother are “beneath the dignity … of the president.”

    Charles Koch hit back at criticism of “the Koch brothers” during President Barack Obama’s energy speech in Las Vegas earlier this week, saying he was “flabbergasted” by the attack and charging that Obama made the dig as a favor to Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who appeared with him.

    “It’s beneath the president, the dignity of the president, to be doing that,” Koch said during a phone interview Tuesday.


    I agree with Charles Koch. I thought Harry Reid’s attacks on the Koch brothers from the floor of the Senate was wrong and very tacky. For POTUS to attack private citizens just because he doesn’t agree with their viewpoint is wrong. Like so many other times Obama simply doesn’t have the “class” to represent this country as President. He’s such a graceless little man.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      It is appalling that a POTUS would single out a private citizen for ridicule, Marge. That he does so for political reasons only makes it even more base. Never mind that he is also attacking a citizen who has been extraordinarily generous in donations to hospitals and in the fight against cancer.

      Yep, it was tacky enough when Reid did it, and appalling for a POTUS to do it…

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  4. kenoshamarge Says:

    Biden getting ready to enter presidential race. Because with Hillary (age 67), Jim Webb (69), and Bernie Sanders (73) already declared, another decrepit old white person is just what the Democrat Party needed.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Isn’t it remarkable?? The Press has found a way to completely downplay that the Republican nominees are FAR more diverse than the Democratic ones. Two Hispanics, one married to an Hispanic, a woman, and a black man, and this is the best the Dems can do?? Wow…

  5. GinaR Says:

    Excellent post, Amy. I’m sick of the Trumpmania, even at Fox. I want to hear about the grownup candidates…Carly, Ted, Scott, Ben. I’ve had enough of Donny AND his Trumpbots, they’re as bad as Obots.

  6. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Here’s some news y’all are gonna love. SC has proclaimed to Trump that he either signs a pledge affirming he will NOT go Third Party, or he will not be on the ballot. ALL of the Candidates have to sign it. This is not a new thing for SC, according to the article, and they take it VERY seriously. So, yeah – sign it, Trump, or off the ballot you go: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150825/PC1603/150829569/state-gop-to-trump-no-going-rogue

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I had heard they might do this. Not quite sure how I feel about it.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        This is not new, Marge. SC has done this for a while, so it is NOT Trump-specific. It is what they have done all along, so to not do so now would be preferential.

        What are your concerns, perhaps it will be more fodder for the Trumpbots?

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    Trump And Obama — Mirror Images Of The Same Warped View Of The Constitution

    To his supporters, his “tough guy” way of addressing complex problems is considered “straight talk” against the Establishment. In reality, it reveals just how little Trump understands or cares about our system of government, and the principles on which it was founded.

    Like President Obama, Trump appears to have no concept or care that there are legal, constitutional limits on what a president can do. Just as a president cannot simply dictate an import tax, most of Trump’s “solutions” are contrary to a federal government of limited and defined powers, and vital checks and balances.

    To do as Trump envisions would dramatically move us toward a quasi-dictatorship in which the president operates at will and above the law. In this regard, “President Trump” would complete the “transformative journey” begun by Obama after the 2008 election.


    Bob Barr says what I believe only far better than I ever could.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thank you for this – that is exactly right. They are the flip side (as are their supporters) of each other. Trump has already demonstrated that the Constitution means very little to him by his dictates, fully accepted by his supporters because he, with the force of his personality, apparently, will “Make America Great Again!”


      Thanks for this!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Hey aren’t we the smart ones, we’ve been saying this for a week. The “reporters” finally got around to noticing. Shall we pat ourselves on the back for our prescience? 😉

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    Adoration and glassy-eyed wonder not unique to Trump supporters

    Why are so many journalists — particularly liberal journalists — mocking the true believers of Donald Trump?

    Because it’s just so darn easy, that’s why.

    It’s much safer to ridicule Trump supporters than dare question Planned Parenthood’s gruesome and tax-subsidized baby organ harvests.

    It’s much easier to do a Trump-said-something-crazy story than question Hillary Clinton for compromising national security by using a private email server.

    And it’s less risky to mock Trumpians for their nativist ways rather than question the racism inherent in the angry all-lives-don’t-really-matter crowd


    Another great John Kass column!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      John Kass has consistently been a voice crying out in the wilderness. He tried his best to alert people to who Obama really was, but it was SO much easier for the media to just make crap up abt Sarah Palin, knowing full well the way they had framed everything, people would believe it. They wouldn’t touch all of the many and disturbing companions of Obama’s, like his trusted confidant who preached against homosexuality in his church regularly (IL State Senator James Meeks), or Ayers, or Rshidi, or even question why the hell Obama REFUSED to release his transcripts, the only candidate in recent history to do so, and on I could go.

      Yep – Kass tried to warn us then, and he is shining the beacon now that by focusing on one particular group, they don’t have to report on Hillary’s activity, criminal at worst, and poor judgment at best, or highlight what an incredible whackadoodle Sanders is and how abt take a look at HIS supporters, and on I could go.


      Thanks for this!

  9. kenoshamarge Says:

    Caleb Howe’s ‘tweet analysis’ of Hillary Clinton’s WDBJ shooting reaction is ‘very telling’


    Damn, that just perfect!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Telling, indeed – wow…

      Well, the Dems are already in FULL FORCE on gun control. How abt mental health? How abt acknowledging the racism of the shooter? Oh, wait – what am I saying? Of COURSE it is all abt gun control because nothing else will do until all guns are abolished.

  10. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Brent Bozell had an interesting piece abt how much the media is giving Trump air time and how hypocritical they are: The fascination of the news media with Donald Trump is ironic, to say the least. For people who have long lamented the domination of Big Money in politics, these reporters are presenting Mr. Big Money himself with a ticker tape parade of free media.
    It could be considered hypocritical, too. Big Money is a bad thing — unless they’re the ones making it. Fox’s 24 million viewers for their debate proved Trump’s market value; ever since that debate, it’s been all media, all the time for him.

    One might have assumed that other candidates would have gotten more attention after the debate, but the Trump trend has only intensified. A new study of evening news by the Media Research Center reveals that in the two weeks leading up the debate, Trump drew 26 minutes and 40 seconds of evening news coverage — compared to 22 minutes and 16 seconds for the entire rest of the GOP field.

    But in the two weeks following the debate, Trump drew almost 70 minutes of coverage, which is almost 2.5 times as much as the rest of the field (27 minutes, 38 seconds) combined. You can’t say this doesn’t affect the polls. Voters relying on TV news would think there was only one serious contender in the race.


  11. helenk3 Says:

    my new favorite picture


  12. helenk3 Says:

    you can not make this up

  13. helenk3 Says:

    OH OH

  14. helenk3 Says:


    why is this not a surprise?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good lord, I think this is a new low, even for Pelosi.

      And can someone please tell me why there is such a close association between high level Dems and people who either have connections to terrorists or support them in some way?? How can this possibly BE?!?!

      What in the hell is happening to this country, I have to ask…

  15. helenk3 Says:


    Carley is quietly moving on up

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      The more people hear and see of her, the more impressed they are. Hence why CNN doesn’t want her in the debate. She is a legit candidate, and they need to treat her as such. Thanks for this!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        If CNN doesn’t want Fiorina in their debate FOX might be smart to have a full hour focus group by Frank Luntz with her.

        I know I would watch it and I bet a lot of other people who are sick to death of the Trump traveling carnival and insult show would too. A little Trump goes a very long ways with me and I am waaaay past my tolerance for the blatherskite.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Oh, dang – that would be awesome! I would watch that, too.

          I really, really hope that Fiorina comes to Charleston for her Tim Scott-sponsored Town Hall.

          Right there with you. SOOOOO tired of hearing abt him, though Stephen Hayes has been making some GREAT points abt the lack of concrete plans in Trump’s plans. So there is that…

        • mcnorman Says:

          I agree. There are MANY in this country who would love to hear from her. A round table or town hall style meet. I, like most also believe that we are being steered into liking another “top” candidate.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            YES – just like Brent Bozell said, the media keeps acting ALL surprised that Trump is doing so well. It’s because he is ALL they talk abt with any regularity. Bret Baier just said the other candidates have a tough time breaking out of the single digits – I screamed at the tv, “because Trump is ALL YOU TALK ABOUT,” instead of the other candidates.

            But yeah – a Town hall forum would be great for Fiorina…

            OH – they just said they are going to talk abt her and why CNN is trying to keep her out…

  16. helenk3 Says:

    Just Because


  17. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Branco has done it again. This is a two-fer since it includes Hillary’s logo, too. From Legal Insurrection:

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