It’s Just How The USA Rolls *Open Thread*

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And that would be the system our Founders set up hundreds of years ago. It is this system that is what Donald Trump and his supporters are bumping up against in the current political climate.
The critical piece in question was laid out beautifully by James Madison in the Federalist Paper, # 10, as this outstanding piece in The Federalist, “Donald Trump vs. James Madison,” points out.

But first, the author, Robert Tracinski, sets the stage for the current political angst. From The Federalist:

[…] There is a kind of political nihilism at work here, a desire to see the whole system destroyed if you don’t get everything you want right now. If you look at the American political situation and you see that it consists of one party run by people who want outright socialism and another party run by people who don’t want socialism but are fairly ineffective at resisting it, and your answer is: let’s get rid of the ineffective resistance—then you’re not trying to accomplish anything positive. You’re just venting your anger. If this is the case, please go find a hobby to channel your excess energy into, and leave politics alone. Politics is not about venting your emotions. It’s about accomplishing results, which takes planning, persistence, and patience.

I understand why much of the conservative “base” feels jilted by the Republican congressional leadership. We’ve been demanding some big, dramatic changes that the leadership hasn’t delivered, and often they don’t seem interested in even trying. But if we want to get rid of Mitch McConnell, we can try to unseat him, either by challenging him in the Republican primaries or by electing enough senators who will vote him out of his position. That has been tried and has not yet succeeded. So what people are really complaining about is the rejection of their priorities, not by the party leadership, but by the wider voting public. Well, that’s life under representative government.

Politically speaking, the conservative “base” is a minority faction. Our views—and I certainly include myself among the most radical small-government advocates—are shared by somewhere between 10% and 40% of the public, depending on the issue. But a lot of the base is bitter that we haven’t been able to dictate policy as if we command upwards of 60% of the vote.

And that is just it. Much of the current support Donald Trump is enjoying is based not at ALL on facts, like what he has said in the past (vetting candidates is now a thing of the past with some people), or that he belittles people, or constantly praises himself, basically making the assertion that EVERYTHING will be better simply because of who Donald Trump is. We have been down this emotional road before, people voting based on emotionalism and not engaging their head along with their heart. “Venting” is not a reasonable political position.

And it is not how this country rolls, as Tracinski points out:

Their beef isn’t with the Republican Party, it’s with the whole American system of government. Their enemy isn’t Mitch McConnell. It’s James Madison…

The Father of the Constitution wrote the rulebook for the American political system, and he specifically wrote the rulebook for what’s supposed to happen to political factions. He explained this in The Federalist No. 10. Everyone should read this essay and thoroughly understand it, and almost no one does. But you can’t understand politics and can’t do politics until you do.

The basic idea is that the system is designed to prevent any minority faction from pushing its agenda, and it’s designed that way for our own protection, to prevent narrow interests and wild-eyed fanatics from taking over. The Federalist No. 10, is a rundown of all the ways the Constitution is designed to divide power and balance factions against one another in order to prevent any one faction from getting its way.

Now, we can take for granted that you don’t think your cause is a narrow interest or that you are a wild-eyed fanatic. But if that’s really true—and let’s face it, it probably isn’t—then the system is designed to prevent other minority factions from taking over. After all, if the system were designed so your group could set the rules with only 20% of the vote, then what’s to prevent a different 20% faction from shoving their agenda down your throat? So the system is rigged to prevent or slow down action unless it is backed by a broad, enduring consensus forged through a whole string of boring political compromises. That’s not a bug in the system. It’s a feature.

And that is just it. I am thoroughly disgusted by the manner in which Mitch McConnell has rolled over for Obama and the Democrats as if the Republicans do not hold BOTH houses of Congress. It is infuriating, especially when he gives up before the battle has even begun. But I don’t live in Kentucky so I cannot vote for someone else. I can, however, vote for Senators in my state who will push McConnell out of his position and elect someone who is committed to the will of the people and the Constitution, not Obama.

Tracinski continues:

Trumpism is an appeal to the fantasy that we can just get around all that. The fantasy is: here’s this celebrity billionaire with a flamboyant personality who’s very famous and who seems to be the kind of guy who “gets things done.” And he is, for the moment, repeating some of the things that are high on your political wish list. So maybe he will be able to overcome everything in the system that is designed to prevent you from getting that wish list. Maybe he will magically allow your political faction to govern as if it were a majority.

There is, thank goodness, no real track record for this. We’ve had a few tries at electing celebrities with dynamic personalities and a reputation as political outsiders who are not beholden to the establishment. I’m thinking of people like Arnold Schwarzenegger in California and Jesse Ventura in Minnesota, who were swept into power on a very Trump-like wave of resentment against establishment insiders, and once they got into office, they achieved…nothing. They left the political environment of their states exactly as they found them, as if they had never existed…Given Trump’s history of changing political positions and his abiding conviction that everything is really all about him, I would not expect any different results.[…] (Click here to read the rest.)

Neither would I. I have to hope this “fantasy” of altering our system of governance will dissipate. Oh, and that people will return to their senses and direct their anger more productively. Because that is how we roll, right?

This is an Open Thread.

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46 Responses to “It’s Just How The USA Rolls *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Great post Amy! And let me add one more name to Trancinski’s list of do nothing celebutards – Al Franken. His major claim to fame in the Senate is making faces at Mitch McConnell while McConnell was speaking. Evidently Franken isn’t smart enough, nor are his followers, to know that reflects badly on him not McConnell.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Evidently the voters of Minnesota sent Franken off to Washington to d good. Instead, he did nothing. Which actually is a result to be wished for from wild-eyed liberals like him. But I shouldn’t pick on Minnesota voters, they are obviously not feeling well since their two Senators are Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken. That’s penalty enough for their stupidity but not fair to inflict them on the rest of the country.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        ROTFL – you are not only kidding, Marge. I hate to pick on people, but Klobuchar really is not very bright, is she? Yikes.

        It does say quite a bit abt Minnesota. No wonder they can have protests like the one they had in St. Paul, huh?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      YES!!! You are so right! Thanks for adding the comedian-turned-Senator, Al Franken, to the list.

      And thanks – so glad you like it!

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    Now that Obama is in a renaming mood, maybe Netanyahu should think about it too.

  3. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I wanted to share this article with you. The link came via BizPacReview, but they didn’t include the “Poor victim” reaction of the young man who first refused service to the police officer. He is claiming it was a “joke,” but who is going believe a “colored” 19 yr old compared to an officer? WOW. Thanks for proving her right:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article33541320.html

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Breaking news! Arby’s has FIRED the Manager, and the Clerk has been suspended. Good for them…

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      First chance he got, out came the victim/racist card.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Oh, yeah – I could not BELIEVE it when I read the Miami article and this 19 yr old played not just the victim card, but the RACE card, claiming he was just a “colored” while she was a cop. And his uncle or whoever who raised him was talking abt how he raised him to respect police. Uh huh. Sure. and It was JUST a joke. Seems he didn’t raise him not to have a victim mentality, though…

        Sheesh.

  4. helenk3 Says:

    Trump is like a steam valve. He is giving voice to the frustrated. I really have a belief that he will not be elected,but will make pols fear not doing their job. A little fear is a good thing. Even though so many voted for backtrack, I do think lessons have been learned., Call me a cockeyed optimist but I do believe in the American people.
    In 2012 I was shocked and dismayed that backtrack got in again over a good candidate but I still believe that was some taking color over country, do not think it will happen again

    • lyn Says:

      I hope Trump is paving the way for Ben and Carly. 2016 may be the earthquake in politics that we need after eight years of Obama, and Trump is OK with me.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I agree, Helen, and lyn. I think Trump is expressing people’s frustration, and if that makes the pols sit up and actually listen, GREAT! But I gotta hope that lessons were indeed learned.

        That said, I had someone tell me today that if I didn’t vote for Trump if he is the nominee, I would be handing over the Presidency to a Democrat. I said, “No, YOU would be by picking someone as nominee who is singularly unsuited for the job at hand, by temperament if nothing else.”

        That is to say, I am not convinced that people have learned their lesson YET.

        Then again, in a head to head match-up, Carson trounces Trump, so maybe there IS hope??

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          Yeah I get the vote by guilt trip too. I’ve done that for way too long. From now on if the right doesn’t nominate a decent candidate I will NOT hold my nose and vote for him/her. I’ll still vote but the top of the ticket will be blank signifying that neither choice is worth my vote.

          I happen to believe that if Trump were to be nominated it’s the only possible way that Hillary could win.

  5. helenk3 Says:

    Police searching for at least 1 suspect after officer shot in leg in northwest Las Vegas, Nev. – @FOX5Vegas
    Read more on fox5vegas.com

  6. helenk3 Says:

    http://suckersonparade.blogspot.com/2015/08/evolution-and-donald-trumps-hair.html#.VemzDvTVoik

    the answer to one of the many questions about trump

  7. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/08/11/making-sense-of-trumpian-populism/

    a pretty good article on trump

  8. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423546/how-donald-trumped-republican-party

    Trump’s leverage

  9. helenk3 Says:

    has anyone else notice that both backtrack and Hillary use the same excuse when they get caught

  10. helenk3 Says:

    I hate to post this in this position on the post due to my previous comment

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/thousands-expected-to-attend-funeral-for-harris-county-deputy/35099512

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I heard on the news that 11,000 people showed up for the Deputy’s funeral. Gov. Abbott asked people to turn on their lights at 11:00 for the Deputy. Glad there is such an outpouring of support…

  11. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0915/glick090415.php3

    interesting article on backtrack, iran deal and israel

  12. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Phyllis Chesler has a GREAT article on Obama, and this goes very well with the Caroline Glick article Helen posted above (Glick is outstanding): http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/1528/the-situation

  13. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/fbi-hires-ashley-madison-hackers-to-retrive-clinton-emails-t16869.html

    this might work

  14. kenoshamarge Says:

    Donald Trump Just Signed His Political Death Warrant

    First, it shatters the independent image that is the key to Trump’s appeal, the idea that he isn’t beholden to anyone or anything, and will make a “great” president precisely because of this. Recall that Trump gave the Fox News moderators a giant middle finger when they opened the Cleveland debate by asking him to pledge his fealty to the Republican Party. Trump refused and, as he will happily inform you, still won that debate going away.

    Second, rather than quiet the attacks against him, this gives the GOP license to amplify them tremendously without fear of repercussion down the road. A Trump third-party bid, if perhaps unlikely, was a possibility that Priebus had to take seriously. He doesn’t anymore. Everyone can, and probably will, start wailing away on Trump, secure in the knowledge that when he slips from first place he won’t have an obvious recourse for revenge. And before someone pops up to say, “Trump could change his mind and run anyway!”—no, he couldn’t. He’d have a tough time getting on the ballot, and he’d look like a sore loser.

    Third, by signing the Republican pledge, Trump invites everyone to judge him by that standard. But it’s not a standard that favors him. Trump espouses all sorts of Republican apostasies, from supporting higher taxes on hedge fund managers to opposing cuts to Medicare and Social Security. Until now, his political image was that of someone larger than either party, who had some appealingly heterodox views. After today, he’ll be easier to attack as a Republican who won’t get with the program.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-03/donald-trump-just-signed-his-political-death-warrant

    Much as I would like to believe it, I don’t. Trump seems, like Hillary, to be a law unto himself. The Trumpskyites, like the Obots seem willing to forgive him anything.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I fear you are right, but I hope you are wrong.

      Meanwhile, isn’t Sanders now threatening to run Third Party? That would surely siphon off some votes from Hillary/Joe, right?

      And no kidding abt the Trumpskyites. Just today on The Five, Donald was forgiven for not being at all knowledgeable abt the foreign affairs questions Hewitt asked, labeling them “History.” Um, no – that would be CURRENT AFFAIRS. Megan McCain said that Fiorina answered similar questions with NO problems at all, which Geraldo poo-poohed as not really answering them. Later on, one of them said that a presidential candidate would need to be able to answer these kinds of questions. Well, everyone but DONALD, apparently. Sheesh.

  15. kenoshamarge Says:

  16. kenoshamarge Says:

    An Arsenal Of Smoking Guns In Clinton Email Scandal

    By Jonah Goldberg

    Hillary Clinton said she never solicited email from her lugubrious political hatchet man, Sidney Blumenthal. The latest emails show that she was in near-constant contact with him, encouraging him to keep his various reports coming. Blumenthal was barred from getting a job at the White House, so Clinton set him up at her charity-cum-super PAC, the Clinton Foundation.

    The more important lie: She said she never received or sent classified information. “I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material.”

    Note: This was not an off-the-cuff statement. She said this while reading from notes and after consulting with her campaign team and her lawyers in a ballyhooed press conference in March at the United Nations.

    And it was a lie. When the inspectors general of the State Department and the Intelligence Community confirmed in July that she had sent classified material, Clinton “clarified” her carefully prepared lie by saying that what she meant was none of the emails she sent or received were marked classified at the time.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/2015/09/04/an-arsenal-of-smoking-guns-in-clinton-email-scandal-n2047737

    Unlike Hillary’s supporters Jonah Goldberg offers information and proof of her perfidy. Does it rise to the level of indictable? I haven’t a clue. But it should,at the very least exclude her from any high office let alone the presidency.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Sorry for the delay in this showing up, Marge. It got caught waiting for Approval and we just now got to our hotel for the night (we waited for over an hour to get off our little island. There was an accident at the base of the bridge going over the Intracoastal – no one was hurt, thankfully, but it sure snagged up traffic. That, along with too many ignorant drivers on the road, made what should have been a 3 1/2 hr trip a 5 1/2 hr trip. Sigh.).

      Anyway, I read Suzy another great Jonah Goldberg piece that was in our paper today. It was abt Superheroes after the little girl was sent home with a note to her parents abt her Wonder Woman lunch-box and violent imagery. People have lost the edge.

  17. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/260032/hillary-clinton-sorry-youre-too-stupid-understand-daniel-greenfield

    she keeps digging and the hole keeps getting deeper

  18. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/04/exclusive-hillary-was-busy-starting-a-nonprofit-days-after-benghazi/

    there are no words

  19. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/planned-parenthood-each-single-adoption-referral-1742-abortions-performed

    this is sickening

  20. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Good for Bruce Willis for doing this for all those firefighters: http://www.ijreview.com/2015/09/412464-bruce-willis-just-wowed-america-with-this-spectacular-gift-to-500-firefighters

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      What a terrific way for Bruce Willis to express his gratitude to those wonderful firefighters. If only more Hollywood fools and all their money did things like this instead of using their money and their mouths to support politicians that end up doing nothing or making life worse for most people. Spend some of the obscene money and do some good for people directly. It would be so much better than all the b.s. political speak and glad handing and partying with politicians great and small.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Amen, sister. I thought it was a generous and thoughtful thing to do. And yes, I wish more of the Hollywood elite would act accordingly…

        Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

  21. kenoshamarge Says:

    How true to form is this cartoon in your neck of the woods Rev?

  22. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    This is very good news, indeed: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/09/05/victory-navy-chaplain-punished-for-his-faith-wins-battle-against-anti-gay-accusations-247778

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Wonderful. I am 100% behind people like this who the left is trying to silence.

      Unlike Kim Davis who thinks her religion gives her the right to force her beliefs on others. And that the law doesn’t apply to her. Shame on Cruz, Paul, and Huckabee for championing this woman. They are such hypocrites! Wrong for Obama to ignore the law but fine for this woman to decide to ignore the law.

      Seems to me she’s a bit of a hypocrite too.

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