Standing Up To Bullies, Or Not, As The Case May Be *Open Thread*


Ben Carson knows how to stand up to bullies. He doesn’t scream and yell, or cast aspersions, oh no. But when erroneous or misleading information is put out by one of his opponents in an effort to diminish him, he stands up for himself.

I am sure it will come as no surprise to you that the “bully” in this scenario is none other than Donald Trump. Trump has a propensity to claim someone is a friend of his, then slam the so-called friend with a put down. In this case, Trump made a remark about Carson that was a bit dismissive. The Daily Caller has the quip (via The Hill):

[…] “I think it’s a very difficult situation that he’d be placed in,” Trump elaborated. “He’s really a friend of mine, I just think it’s a very difficult situation that he puts himself into, to have a doctor who wasn’t creating jobs and would have a nurse or maybe two nurses. It’s such a different world. I’ve created tens of thousands of jobs over the years.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Uh yeah – I think if I was one of those candidates, I might be a bit wary of Trump calling me a “friend.” His “friends” don’t seem to fare too well. Unless they are Tom Brady, that is (and you know I hate the Patriots and their cheating ways with a passion, so that impresses me not at all.)

Well, I am sure this will come as a HUGE surprise to you (get it? Teehee!) – NOT. But Trump was wrong in his characterization of Carson as Carson highlighted on Megyn Kelly Tuesday night:

The Hill had the text of Carson’s remarks in case you can’t watch the video:

[…] “I’ve actually done things in my life other than medicine. I have decades of experience on corporate boards – Kellogg, Costco, Vaccinogen, started a national nonprofit, had been involved in multitude of things,” Carson said late Tuesday on Fox News’s “The Kelly File.”
“But of all the things that I’ve been involved in, the one that I cherish the most is being involved in saving the lives of young children,” he continued.

“Giving them not only longevity but quality of life, changing a dark situation into a situation of light for those families. I think that far exceeds anything I’ve done in the world of business.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Yeah, take THAT, Trump! Ahem. Seriously, though, Carson makes clear that his life is one made up of many components, and he will not be dismissed as one-dimensional.

Meanwhile, there is a major bully against whom too many are unwilling to stand. And that, of course, is Obama, specifically on the Iran Deal. Or, as Legal Insurrection phrases it, Obama’s “Lawless Iran Deal.” From Legal Insurrection:

Two recent news analysis pieces highlight President Obama’s lawlessness in the case of his proposed nuclear deal with Iran.


A draft that was said to the same as the final text of one of these side deals was leaked to, and published by, the Associated Press. The second of the two still remains secret.

Asking Congress to approve an agreement, the complete terms of which it has not even seen, is of course absurd on its face. Even more absurd is that a sufficient number of Senators to sustain a Presidential veto of Congressional disapproval have agreed to do so.

Setting aside the ridiculousness of the request, however, it is also against the law. The Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015 (also known by its sponsor as the Corker legislation) requires President Obama to transmit the entire agreement, specifically including “all related materials and annexes,” to Congress prior to Congressional review of the deal.

Notably, the President agreed to these terms.[…] (Click here to read the rest.)</blockquote<
No kidding this is unlawful. We still do not know what is in the two "deals" because Congress has not yet received the texts of these "side deals." As Legal Insurrection highlights, to override lawful sanctions without even reading what is in these deals, and to subject the American people to that conclusion, is just wrong.

Oh, and thanks, Democrats, for walking in lockstep with Obama despite the majority NOT wanting this deal, just like with Obamacare. Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is already getting calls to resign since her district OVERWHELMINGLY rejects this deal. But she will go along as head of the DNC unmolested, I imagine. Meanwhile, Democrats have thrown the United States, Israel, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, to name a few, into danger as a result of this massive capitulation to this deal.

How it is that the Democrats are so willing to capitulate to a state sponsor of terror rather than stand up to Obama for giving away the store to Iran much like he did to Cuba is appalling. I continue to be stunned by the lengths to which they will go, and the depths to which they have sunk.

If only more Democrats had the integrity and spine of someone like Ben Carson to stand up to a bully like Obama, this Iran deal would be a thing of the past. And if more people in this country didn’t somehow revel in the actions of bullies like Obama, we wouldn’t have so many supporting one like Trump.

Sadly, that is where we seem to be now. Heaven help us to put a stop to this path in the next election.

That’s what I think. How about you? This is an Open Thread.


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44 Responses to “Standing Up To Bullies, Or Not, As The Case May Be *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    I watched that interview with Dr. Carson last night and once again thought, “what a really nice man”. His decency comes through the screen in a way that happens very few times.

    Poor Megyn interviewing the tough-tied fella who represented the police officers who chastised Obama. His heart was in the right place but his ability to get it across was painful to watch.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yes, it truly does. He does not need to put people down to build himself up, speaks quietly but says a lot with few words. He does seem to be a very good man indeed…

      I missed that guy – it has to be hard to be on world-wide news when you aren’t used to it…

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    Not usually a big Dennis Miller fan but this is spot on.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Honest to God, I was thinking abt things along these lines when I was discussing with Suzy last night abt Curt Schilling being suspended by ESPN for comparing radical Islamists to Nazis. Just WHO did ESPN think was more insulted by that – Nazis or radical Islamists?!?!

      I mean, really, you know I have no love lost for Curt Schilling as a die-hard Yankees fan, but c’mon – WHO was insulted by that reference?! That is just insane. INSANE.

      Here’s an article abt it along with Schilling’s “offending” Tweet:

      Yep – words offend while Islamists chop off heads, throw people off buildings, burn them, and crucify them and apparently, we aren’t supposed to compare them to Nazis. Yeah. Okay.

  3. helenk3 Says:

    WOW you have to see these posters

  4. mcnorman Says:

    Looks like there will be a response to the migrant crisis.

    Barry is just trying to run the clock at this point. God help this country. The Iran deal is bad enough, what else does the creep have up his sleeve?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      No kidding, mcnorman. There is no way to adequately clear these people. ISIS has already said that they have effectively infiltrated the refugees. As Bret Baier asked Lindsey Graham last night, if they couldn’t adequately determine who the rebels were, how the heck are they gonna know who the refugees are??

      Such a mess. I blame the Democrats and their spinelessness for where we are now. Add to that the white guilt that helped put Obama in office in the first place. And the educators who are preaching socialism. And the list could go on and on and on…

  5. helenk3 Says:

    a little petty there mike

    understand I do not think any pols should have gone there and was disapppointed that Cruz did. but this was petty.

    I get really bad vibes about this lady. not sure if she is a dem plant against republicans or not.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, good grief. That is petty.

      As for this whole issue, Madonna’s brother, who is gay, weighed in on Facebook abt it all. This IJ Review article contains some highlights of his Facebook post:

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I should add, I completely respect one’s choice to do or not do something based on one’s religious commitment. Fields never should have been sent to jail. Perhaps she should have had to step down from her current position if she could not fulfill her obligations. But it does seem that there is a TREMENDOUS double standard at play in this country abt which laws can be broken, and which cannot.

        That said, while I have obviously benefited from the SCOTUS ruling, there are still questions abt it. That is why I wish the states had crafted an Amendment, or Congress had put forth legislation to make this law. As this Federalist post highlights, the case on which SCOTUS based their decision isn’t settled EITHER (at least as far as President Lincoln was concerned). While I completely disagree with the writer’s conclusion abt God’s Law, she does make some good points in referencing the historical and legal aspects of the case on which so much of this lies:

        • helenk3 Says:

          married 4 times, had kids with one guy while married to another. A little hypocritical to decide who should be married and who should not.
          I take no issue with gay marriage.
          but i just have very bad vibes about this lady.
          Just a feeling, maybe from being in foster homes and seeing the hypocrisy of some “good” christians

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            I understand your bad feelings abt this woman. There are so many different things going on with this issue, it is hard to consider them all without one’s head exploding. That is why I really wish the Congress, which makes laws, or the States, which make Amendments, had been the ones to determine this once and for all so there was no gray area in it. Until then, it will continue to be a bit up in the air like it has been in this case, I am afraid.

            But I can’t possibly know what is in her heart and what fueled her to take this stand. And people are people – that is just the thing. No one is perfect, and we all fall short. I imagine you saw a lot of things growing up that were completely unacceptable. I hate that for you, though heaven knows – you are a mighty fine person, so at least from what I have seen, you overcame all of that. Says a lot abt you!

        • kenoshamarge Says:

  6. helenk3 Says:

    livestream of stop Iran rally

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks for this! It is AMAZING that Democrats support this deal for a host of reasons, not the least of which are the major issues highlighted by the posters there you referenced above, Helen. Stoning women, hanging gay men, and holding political prisoners (including 4 Americans). It really puts to a lie what Democrats claim is their stand. UGH.

  7. helenk3 Says:

    NBC teams with dem firm for 2016

    Goebbels would be so proud

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      No kidding, but I bet you $100 that the Quaker would get a lot more favorable press, and liberals would use it as an opportunity to push for more gun control.

      The bottom line is that people DO have the right to be conscientious objectors, like those who refuse to fight in wars. People DO have the right to not be forced to do something that goes against their faiths. It is all in how they go about it, though. If someone cannot bring themselves to sign a marriage license for same sex people, find someone who will. If someone cannot in good conscience fulfill their obligations to perform their duties under the Second Amendment, find someone who can.

      I think Madonna’s brother was right that many in the gay community have become “sore winners,” and we aren’t happy until someone’s life is destroyed if they don’t do as we demand. It is wrong, and lives have been ruined. You would think we would be more tolerant given our experiences not LESS.

      In this case, as I noted, jailing the clerk seems a bit extreme. Heck, even the gay couple denied the license just wanted her fined (they were not “sore winners”). It seems she was made an example of, and that I do have problems with given the extensive number and array of hypocritical law-breakings in this country by elected officials, including ALL in San Francisco, for example, and including the POTUS. The selective enforcement of laws is a problem. Why should this woman be thrown in jail and not the Black Lives Matter people who destroyed Ferguson?

      We all abide by the laws of this nation or none of us do. It cannot be selective. So on that count, I think she had every right to fight back, misguided though her fight may have been (meaning, she had other choices that would not have been an affront to her faith).

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I just find the facts of this woman’s issue to make little sense. As a Christian does she not have a problem with her own quartet of trips down the aisle? Does she not find her own adultery troubling? Let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone. Since she obviously is not, just shut the hell up and get someone else to issue the licenses. And if she can’t bring herself to sign the license – resign. Immediately!

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I understand your point, I do. From her own personal life, her being a poster child doesn’t seem to fit. But we don’t know if all of those things happened before, during or after she became a Christian, FWIW.

          I know that many Christians do not find same sex marriage acceptable. I don’t like it, or agree with it, but I know that is what they believe, and do so with all their hearts. That said, they should not be treated with shame and disdain when they act on that belief. They have as much right to believe that as I do to believe the opposite. And I know you are not saying otherwise, just putting it out there.

          As I have said before, I am not sure that people should have to lose their jobs, though, because that of what they believe. Like the man who founded Firefox being drummed out of his own company not for ANYTHING he did while working in or for the company, but for a private donation he made. Or the bakers who lost their livelihood. As long as someone’s personal beliefs do not cause harm, there should be nor issue.

          But that is the difference with Fields, of course, is that since she is the head clerk, if her name wasn’t on the paper, the license didn’t go through. That is why I agree that she should have either designated someone who was comfortable with THEIR names being on it, or asked to be reassigned elsewhere or something.

          I just think jail was overkill for this “infraction” considering sanctuary cities, the mayhem BLM members cause, the command by Obama to not enforce existing Immigration Laws, things that affect far more people than this one woman’s refusal to issue a license, and on I could go. It is all abt perspective, and this story has gone on long enough…

          • kenoshamarge Says:

            I am a long way from an expert on religion and religious folks. But my observations have been that newly minted or “born Again” Christians are often like ex smokers they are either mellow and believe in live and let live or they are fanatics.

            Most simply want to live their lives in fellowship with other Christians and to love their fellow man. Others, suddenly see sin everywhere and think it’s up to them to either stop it or at the least keep it from touching them and theirs. If Kim Davis really had found God after a less than admirable life I would think she would be basking in his love and forgiveness. She isn’t.

            I know I am not being a very good Christian because I cannot find it in my heart to think well of a woman who would ruin a day that most, hopefully, only experience once in their life – getting their marriage license in preparation for their marriage.

            She’s ruined that day, more than once, for some couples. I don’t find that acceptable behavior. But then I’m a stubborn old coot.

            • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

              I swear, Marge – I just love you! Seriously!

              And I know what you mean abt the ex-smokers, being one myself. Oh, and no, I a, not on the “fanatic” side except that, ironically, I am now allergic to cigarette and wood smoke (shame abt the latter since love how it smells).

              Anyway, I know what you mean abt the fanatic variety. Yeah, I reckon more people could stand to repeat the passage abt the beam in one’s own eye than the speck in another’s. And you are right abt ruining these couples special day. What she should have done immediately is excused herself, and gotten another clerk. Easy peasy.


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  9. helenk3 Says:

    think these two will get it now?

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      No. They both belong to the “where they gonna go club” and think Republicans/Conservatives will come around because of that. They learned nothing from the fact that in 2012 so many just stayed home. A lesson the Dems didn’t learn either. Politicians are used to the “sheeple” just quietly following along an voting party or country and party over people. They need to take their heads out of their collective posteriors and wake up. I just don’t know if they are capable.

  10. helenk3 Says:!+Exposing+Liberal+bias+cause+the+MSM+doesn%27t+have+to.%29

    photos from the rally

  11. kenoshamarge Says:

    No room up above so came to here to say I love you too. But why you love me when I just admitted that I’m not a very good Christian and am a stubborn old coot to boot I’m not sure. But I’ll take all the love I can get. It rejuvenates me. Time to play back the Kelly File I DVR’s earlier. Fiorina is on and I don’t want to miss her. Good night all.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      ROTFL – oh, SO many reasons to love you, Marge! Your fantastic sense of humor is but one reason, and your honesty is another.

      And hey – I can be mighty stubborn my own self, so right there with you. Besides, you ADMITTED you were having a hard time opening your heart to this Fields woman, and that is no small thing!

      Just got home from a visitation for one of our equine vets who died suddenly of a heart attack (his wife, also a vet, was our small animal vet for YEARS and YEARS until she left that practice to help out with her husband’s practice). You just never know what life has in store for you. This man leaves his wife, and two kids – 15 and 16. Our dear friend who takes care of our horse has worked for him for years. So yeah – life is precious and short, and I am so glad to have you wonderful folks as part of my life!

  12. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Trump made yet another assholic comment abt Carly FIorina:

    He is on now saying, “Yeah, I probably did say that, but it was more about her persona,” or words to that effect. Sorry, Trump, that kind of thing is not at ALL abt her “persona.”

    He also attacked her record at HP and Lucent, apparently unaware that people who worked with her, and who were on the board, said she did a great job, but there were issues with the board, many of whom are now gone.

    But hey – why let facts influence his attacks, and why should he stop being sexist as hell when he can get away with saying anything? WOW.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      His attack on her looks should backfire on him but probably won’t. His followers like those in the Obama cult don’t care what he says or does. Which makes you wonder what they do care about.

      The more chances Trump gets to prove that Megyn Kelly was right to go after him for his remarks he makes about women the better she looks and the more proof that he’s a loud-mouth misogynist.

      And who the hell is he to talk about someone’s looks? Billions of dollars sure as hell didn’t make him good looking. He’s as ugly outside as he is inside.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        No kidding, huh? And I am sure Megyn felt vindicated for the question she asked. If his supporters were honest with themselves, they would have to look at the things he is saying and realize that maybe he ain’t all they have cracked him up to be.

        And not for nothing, but when PAIL KRUGMAN and WARREN BUFFET are lauding his “Tax the Rich!” economic plan, that should speak VOLUMES to them. But it probably won’t…

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          That’s the way it is in a cult – reality and facts simply don’t count. We saw, and see, it with Obots. Trumpyskites are the same.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            Sadly, I know you are right. It just boggles my mind to see the very same people who railed against Obama for his lack of facts, his arrogance, narcissism, etc., etc., etc., are now big time Trump fans. SMH…

  13. kenoshamarge Says:

    How about this for a biased reporter?

    USA Today Reporter Covering Scott Walker Campaign Signed Recall Petition

    Scott Walker is no stranger to political challengers or an adversarial press.

    But what does it do to Walker’s national political aspirations when a homegrown reporter who once signed a petition to recall the Governor, happens to be covering his presidential bid for a nationally circulated paper?

    Tuesday, The American Mirror reported Gannett reporter Madeleine Behr, political writer for USA Today, signed a petition to recall Walker in 2011.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Honest to pete, for real?? That is so telling, both abt the reporter, and the USA Today, that they would allow this clearly biased “journalist” to cover someone for whom she clearly has disdain. It calls every single thing she writes abt him into question, as well as any integrity USA Today may have enjoyed…

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