“Knocked It Out Of The Park,” Debate Follow Up *Open Thread*


That is the overwhelming consensus about Carly Fiorina’s performance on the Primetime Debate Wednesday night. I should say, I concur with that assessment. She was strong on policy, she was strong on character, she was strong on the military, she was just strong all the way around, from discussing Planned Parenthood to Iran.

Here is Charles Krauthammer’s assessment of the evening:

I do not agree about the whole smiling ting regarding Fiorina. As she said this morning, she was discussing serious issues, and they were not appropriate times to be smiling. No kidding. Like when she made this incredibly powerful statement that practically had me in tears:

That kind of intensity, eloquence, passion, and compassion, is exactly the kind of thing I want in a President, along with the intelligence, ability, and skill to handle the very difficult tasks that present themselves to a President. But I do agree with Charles Krauthammer as noted above that Fiorina won this debate, and Rubio came in second.

Professor Larry Sabato, from the UVA Center for Politics, had this to say about the debate Wednesday night:

It was a debate with winners (certainly Carly Fiorina) and losers (sorry, Scott Walker). Mainly, though, the Reagan Rumble reinforced the strengths and weaknesses that voters already associate with each of the candidates. Already, millions tuned in mainly to cheer for their current choice.

Few who are committed to Donald Trump will be dissuaded by anything they saw. He didn’t add many supporters, though; his song sounded very familiar. Ben Carson was his usual self — soft-spoken, thoughtful, often unpolitical. His backers are delighted, no doubt, but Carson didn’t spark a mass movement in his direction.

The articulate and steely Fiorina showed why she should have been in the first debate. Fiorina surely will be in subsequent ones.

By contrast, Scott Walker did not impress, and he desperately needed to hit a couple of home runs.

What of Jeb Bush, who required a solid performance almost as much as Walker? Bush blew his opportunities in the critical first half-hour, and shied away from confronting Trump or making cogent arguments on other matters. But he got better. The defense of his wife struck a chord with viewers, and the last hour of exchanges, when Bush really came alive, was his best.


Final point: I’m not a stubborn guy, but I am going to reiterate — in the hope that we don’t repeat the mistake four years from now — that this debate format is inadequate. Eleven candidates are too many on a stage, and this crowd of politicians produced a herky-jerky debate that couldn’t develop themes, skipped around too much on topics, and cut off exchanges just when they were threatening to prove fruitful. The moderators weren’t at fault, the format was. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

I could not agree more about the format. Jake Tapper did a TERRIBLE job, and his insistence to try and make the candidates get down in the mud was frustrating as hell. As was the constant interruption when the candidates were clearly coming to conclusions on their statements.

But hey, I am not alone in that belief, I know. Check out the front page of The Daily News:


Yes, that is an apt description of CNN, don’t you think?

And since the photo also features Donald Trump, there are two things I want to say about Trump’s statements to his opponents last night. The first is Trump’s attack on Governor Scott Walker’s record. Politifact has rated that claim by Trump as largely false. From Politifact:

[…] Mixing apples and oranges, Trump said that under Walker, Wisconsin “projected a $1 billion (budget) surplus and it turns out to be a deficit of $2.2 billion.”

There was in early 2014 a projection of a $1 billion surplus heading into the 2015-’17 budget period. Late in 2014, there was a projection of a $2.2 billion shortfall — the difference between expected revenues and the amount of money being requested by state agencies. But the shortfall was never a deficit — and some of the surplus was consciously spent by Republicans, as tax cuts.

For a statement that contains only an element of truth and ignores critical facts that would give a different impression, our rating is Mostly False. (Click here to read the rest.)

Shocking, I know. But it seems Walker was correct: Trump is using Democratic talking points to attack him

And then there was Trump’s attack on Fiorina and her tenure at Hewlett Packard. I know this will shock you, but he was wrong about that, too. From the Journal by IJReview:

[…] Ben Rosen, a former non-executive director of Compaq, writes of HP, post-Compaq, “[Hurd] took the pieces assembled by Fiorina, applied his management skills to them, and created a growing, profitable and increasingly valuable company.”

Bob Wayman, Former HP Board Member, CFO, and interim CEO after Carly’s departure said of Carly and HP, “I believe HP is better off today as a result of the Board’s decision to hire Carly Fiorina…she is very smart, a very quick study, an incredible communicator…she’s a leader. She focuses on what needs to be done and drives it.”

Deborah Dower, Former HP VP of U.S. Sales, Government, Education, and Medical, says the Compaq acquisition was, “The absolute best thing that could have ever happened to HP.”

Craig Barrett, Former CEO and Chairman of the Board at Intel has also attributed HP’s transformation into the largest computer manufacturer in the world to Carly’s leadership, and says she made the “right decisions.” Under Carly, he says, “What did change was a dramatic move to ensure HP’s future in a world where living in the past and refusing to move forward was a recipe for mediocrity or worse.” […] (Click here to read the rest of this informative piece.)

This video about Fiorina’s tenure at HP was made during her run against Boxer, and is from the Journal piece above. It speaks volumes about Fiorina:

That is all to say, Trump lied, lied, and lied some more about some of his opponents last night. Big surprise – not.

Finally, I want to say something about Sen. Marco Rubio. He showed last night much of what we saw in the Sen. Scott-provided Town Hall. He has a powerful story; he believes in this country; he is smart as a whip; and he has a tremendous control over the foreign policy issues facing us today.

There is much more to be said, I know, and I open it up to you now to do just that. This is an Open Thread.


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31 Responses to ““Knocked It Out Of The Park,” Debate Follow Up *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    I agree that Fiorina was the winner and that Jake Tapper was the loser. He should referee mud-wrestling contests not debates. Any respect I once had for him is gone.

    Drudge poll says Trump won. Well why wouldn’t he? CNN set up the Donald Trump show and allowed him to dominate. Even when he wasn’t talking Tapper was asking other candidates about him. A disgusting performance.

    Walker didn’t impress? Well given a few more minutes and maybe more than 2 questions and he just might have been able to do so. Why did CNN even ask him to come?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yeah, I know they keep saying that abt Drudge, but I think that has a lot more to do with Drudge readers, and the readers for some of these other sites who are Trump supporters. They are going to think he won no matter what (like someone I know who has gone in whole hog for Trump thinks he won and survived the “long knives” of his competitors. Sure he won if you don’t give a damn abt substance, knowledge of the issues facing our nation and world, civility, or intellect…).

      Besides the Trump supporters, though, those of us in the “reality-based community” know Fiorina won it in spades.

      I felt sorry for Walker. He did his damndest to get in there, but he wasn’t even allowed to adequately address the false claim by Trump abt his record (does Trump EVER tell the truth abt his competitors? What a LIAR he is. UGH.). I still like Walker a lot, but this format did not serve him at all well. He is going to have to work very hard to make his voice heard…

  2. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    IJReview has this piece on the Debate last night. They, too, think Fiorina won and the have the charts to prove it: http://www.ijreview.com/2015/09/422851-if-youre-wondering-who-won-the-cnn-debate-weve-got-a-chart-for-you/

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I was liking the poll and then made the mistake of reading the comments. One twit said that Carly was just like Obama. Another said she was a one trick pony and said exactly the same things she said in the first debate – Ah, fool, the “face” comment hadn’t been made yet. If ignorance is bliss there are a lot of happy people commenting on that post. I’m gonna go read my book. Reading such nonsense always raises my blood pressure and makes my head hurt.

  3. foxyladi14 Says:

    Carly was awesome!!!
    Overall a decent debate, But too long. 🙂

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yes – it was too long, especially with Tapper at the helm. But Carly was great (though it amazes me to see how some women are responding to Carly – that internalized sexism runs deep).

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Isn’t it though? I was just talking arguing with someone in that vein a short time ago. First she says Carly is “cold” and a war-monger. Then when I had commented that I liked her closing statement this person said it was too “flowery”. With that kind of woman, no woman will ever win.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Exactly. One woman said she was too assertive (she is a Trump Supporter – yes, the irony is staggering), the other didn’t mind that she was assertive, but she left her cold (also a Trump supporter).

          I reckon Fiorina will be damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t. Is she assertive in wanting to hold the Dems accountable for the Immigration crisis? If so, I WANT that in a President. Is she “cold” because she doesn’t smile while talking abt ISIS? Well, how inappropriate would it be if she DID?!

          People who are Trump supporters are going to find reasons, like the BS story that Fiorina praised Islam back when she was at HP. That was a highly manipulated talking point to tear her down, and taken tremendously out of context: http://chicksontheright.com/blog/item/30351-let-s-address-carly-fiorina-s-comments-about-islam-right-after-9-11

          But as we know, facts don’t matter to some people…

  4. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    HEY! Jonah Goldberg is on Outnumbered!

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I didn’t know who would be one but am DVRing it to watch later. I wanted to see what the ladies said about the debate. Now with Jonah it will be twice as interesting for me. Looking forward to watching it. (I DVR everything so that I can ff through the endless commercials and stuff that doesn’t interest me.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I totally understand abt the commercials! But I have to say – I think you will be pleased with what everyone is saying. Not to spoil it or anything (and being 12 minutes in)…

  5. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    So, Obama met with the three young men who stopped the terrorist just now. He could not bring himself to call the terrorist a terrorist though, at least that I heard. But yeah, after I said yesterday that Obama was meeting with some kid who made a clock but not these heroes, he finally did.

    And really – Obama cannot talk well extemporaneously AT ALL. Just sayin’.

  6. mcnorman Says:


  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    I’m of the small, very small sign, if any sign at all. I prefer that the Pope stick to religion and leave the politics to the politicians. Politicking taints religion IMO. I find him a very great disappointment.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I completely understand, Marge. I wish he had kept his political commentary to himself. He has changed the role of Pope at a time when many people need healing, not more division.

      Great cartoon!

      Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Exactly. Knowing what a contentious issue Global Warming is why would he jump in and cause more division? We need to get together and he’s setting us against each other. As the leader of my church he is, IMO, an absolute failure.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I am sorry – I know there were lots of high expectations for him. And I know a lot of people feel let down by him for wading into these waters, as well as standing with Iran over Israel. Sad. Just sad…

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    The Cult of Donald Trump


    There is a lot of truth in this article IMO.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Excellent piece, Marge. Cooke nails it. We have seen this whole cult business before. Heck, I have written posts abt the cult following of Obama. What is happening with Trump is no different.

      Outstanding. Thank you!

  9. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Despite what Drudge readers say, the vast majority of people think Trump was the big LOSER of the debate:


  10. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Are you kidding me with this? Black Lives Matter thugs are being invited to the White House? The people pushing for police officers to be murdered???? Never mind that it was during the GOP debate, but to invite them to the White House, these propagators of hate based on lies, is reprehensible: http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/17/valerie-jarrett-white-house-meet-with-black-lives-activists-during-gop-debate/

  11. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    The Hill also weighed in on the Winners and Losers from last night’s debate. Who is number one? Oh, you know (and it ain’t Trump): http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/253984-gop-debate-winners-and-losers

  12. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I am sure this will just be a huge shock to y’all (not), but Trump LIED abt the casino deal he wanted in FL when he said it never happened: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2015/09/17/surprise-trump-lied-about-florida-casinos-gambit-n2053478

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Trump is dishonest and ignorant. He lied about Walker and Wisconsin, he lied about casinos in Florida and he knows squat about foreign policy. Beats me how that is somehow different from the usual politicians.

      It also occurs to me that if you are running for the office of POTUS that you have become a politician. Ain’t no way around it.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Indeed, Marge – once they step into the arena, the “non-politician” label goes out the window.

        What I don’t get is how someone who has been in politics for forever – Bernie Sanders – is able to get away with claiming he is outside it. Then again, the biggest issue with him is that he is a Socialist, and people are supporting him! Wow…

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          Maybe Sanders is considered an “outsider” because he sat in the House since 1991 and in the Senate since 2007 and has done nothing. Where are any bills with his name on them? What has he accomplished? Outsider my ass! He’s as big a phony as Trump and Hillary.

          And damn, he’s older than dirt. And white. How can he be the darling of the left? Sander’s supporters are as foolish as Trump supporters and I quite honestly didn’t think that was possible. Fooled me again.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            No kidding, huh? It is just astonishing to me how many people in this country fall for these charlatans or snake oil salesmen. Too many do, that’s for sure…

  13. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      And there ya have it…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I am once again astonished at the ability of a cartoonist to say the things it took me hundreds of words to say and still didn’t say it as well as this one cartoon does. Nate Beeler is once of the best.

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