“What You See Is What You Get,” And Sadly, It Took Seeing To Believe *Open Thread*


Much has been made of Carly Fiorina’s tenure at Hewlett Packard, and her firing from HP (which she demanded, rather than being given a golden parachute retirement), continues to be fodder for her Republican opponents. Again, facts seem to be in short supply in these attacks on her record.

And that is why this exclusive Breitbart interview with a man who was a senior executive at Hewlett Packard during that time is important. So let’s get to this interview and see what this Exec had to say about Ms. Fiorina (h/t Facebook friend):

Bill Mutell was at Compaq prior to the merger with HP. “I actually studied Carly closely,” Mutell said, explaining that, at the time, in the late 90’s when HP was looking for a CEO, Compaq—as a competitor—had wanted to do research on who may be chosen and how that would affect Compaq.

“So, I knew a lot about her and her capabilities… before we announced the merger in 2001,” he told Breitbart News. Mutell explained it was after the merger that he really got to know Fiorina.

Mutell—who worked in National Intelligence and spent 24 years as an Army officer—worked closely with Fiorina during the formation of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Mutell explained that after September 11th, the government looked to tech companies for technology support and integration of national intelligence enterprise systems.

He said that Fiorina befriended Secretary Tom Ridge because the merger between Compaq and HP, at the time, was considered one of the best practices for putting very complex organizations together.

Mutell explained the merger between the two companies was held up as a model and that, while working with Fiorina, they assisted in putting together DHS in the early days.

“That was all done pro bono because Carly felt the need and responsibility to support the government in the time of crisis,” he said. “I got to see her first-hand on how she ran decisions, how she operated, how she handled her staff, how she deliberated.”

Huh – funny how THAT hasn’t come up in debates, isn’t it? Fiorina is always asked about her being fired, and about her laying off thousands of workers (more on that below), but I have never heard ANYONE ask her about her work with the government and her efforts to make us more secure via improved technology.

Back to the article, and Mutell’s impressions of Fiorina:

[…] As a leader, Mutell said Fiorina “shapes the future—she doesn’t react to it.”

“Those were really tough times,” he said, explaining HP had many competitors, and, in addition, stocks were low as there was a recession and also at a time during an elongated war.

“Carly’s first priority is to HP’s customers, shareholders, and then its employees,” he added. “In order to make sure that Hewlett Packard could emerge out of this dark period… it required some very important acts of leadership and one of those was to eliminate redundant jobs.”

Mutell said that, as a result of the 30,00 layoffs during Fiorina’s leadership, HP has “over 300,000 employees today.”

He added that people just don’t see it that way, explaining that “even if that decision benefited the company” people don’t care. Some individuals will remain jaded if someone was let go for the betterment of the company.

I would submit that some people don’t WANT to see it that way because it would make them have to change their talking points or revise their ideology. it is much easier to regurgitate the same old talking point over and over and over again no matter how fallacious it is. Especially if one stands to gain by casting false aspersions against one’s competitor.

Muttell sums up Fiorina and her leadership abilities:

[…] “I’ve been around a lot of leaders in my life. I’ve worked for some very impressive generals and I have to tell you in nearly 40 years of combined military service and working for public companies in senior exec roles—I have never encountered a leader like Carly,” he stated. “She is probably one of the brightest, most articulate, well versed, and engaging leaders I have ever met.”

Mutell said Fiorina is someone with courage, character, capacity, and conviction.

“What you see is what you get,” he said. “Not something that Congress or the political class wants to see.” (Click here to read the rest.)

It is reassuring to know that someone with Mutell’s background affirms what many of us were seeing during the debates: a strong, intelligent, passionate leader who lives by her convictions. What a refreshing change THAT is!

And then there is the issue of not believing until seeing, in this case, about the refugees in these war-torn countries. Leslie Loftis of The Federalist wrote this great piece on exactly that issue, “Why Do Refugees Matter Only After The Christians Are Dead?” It is an excellent question, and I urge you to read the entire piece since I cannot begin to do it justice here. Loftis asks this burning question:

[…] If the public only required poignant visuals to capture their attention to the horrors going on in the Middle East, then we would have seen popular calls for action months ago.

Thirteen months ago, I published two articles on the Christian purge from the Middle East, each titled rather precisely: “The Need to Prepare for Christian Refugees” and “Don’t Close Your Eyes to Christians Purged and Tortured in Iraq.“ Both pieces provided a link to the long-standing Foundation for Relief and Reconciliation in the Middle East, founded and led by the brave “Vicar of Baghdad,” Canon Andrew White.

They offered a legal argument for accepting children fleeing the violence and called for individuals to start planning for refugees. They were not completely ignored. A few readers contacted me about details, and I helped connect a few doers with ideas. More personally, one of my church rectors provided some source verification and encouraged me to write more on the topic. When he invited the former bishop of Pakistan to speak to our congregation on living with terrorism, I wrote that up, too.

The terrible news was known in some Christian circles. That’s why the Arabic “N” started appearing in social media avatars. Like the Nazis marked Jewish property with a Star of David, ISIS marked Christian property with an N for Nazarene, a common slander for Christians, followers of Jesus of Nazareth. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Heartbreaking, just heartbreaking. And the news that ISIS marks Christians with the “N” for Nazarene is SHOCKING. How have we not heard more about that?!

Oh, wait. Because they are Christians. It is a shame that “seeing” is believing, and no amount of news about Christians being wiped out of places they have inhabited for two thousand years with nary a bit of help from us. That is telling indeed, and what it says is not good. Again, I commend the entire piece to you. It is eye-opening and informative.

It all boils down to this: with Fiorina, “what you see is what you get.” And with the Christians slaughtered and driven out in the Middle East, “there are none so blind as those who will not see…” And that needs to change…

This is an Open Thread.


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33 Responses to ““What You See Is What You Get,” And Sadly, It Took Seeing To Believe *Open Thread*”

  1. foxyladi14 Says:

    Thanks Amy, for this very informative post 🙂

  2. helenk3 Says:

    Here We Go

    Russia calls for ‘action’ after Damascus embassy compound hit by shell – @AFP
    See original on twitter.com

    Russian embassy in Damascus comes under mortar fire, foreign ministry says – @tassagency_en
    Read more on tass.ru

  3. helenk3 Says:


    a must read

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      WHAT?! Obama wants to pick Biden’s VP?? Ugh, what am I saying – of COURSE he does, and of COURSE he wants it to be someone like Deval Patrick and for Biden to run one term. WOW. Just WOW.

    • mcnorman Says:

      I would think that zero wants to endorse Biden just for giggles (and to watch HRC and Bill have seizures). That sure is a lot of micro managing.

  4. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Btw, Suzy and I get to go see Carly Fiorina and Rep. Mike Rogers discuss National Security at The Citadel tomorrow at noon – yippee! I am looking forward to that.

    Oh, and in case you were wondering what experience she has in National Security, the Breitbart article above highlights her Homeland Security experience, and she also did work with the CIA: http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/04/politics/carly-fiorina-foreign-policy/index.html

  5. helenk3 Says:


    Iran nuclear inspection

    this is like me printing my own lottery ticket five minutes after the numbers are announced

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    Scott Walker Said to Be Quitting Presidential Race


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That is too bad. He would be a great president, I think. Perhaps it was just bad timing that there were SO many people in the race, and some who were so much more outspoken than he was. Dang.

    • helenk3 Says:

      that makes me sad

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Me too. Now there are only two people left that I could vote for, Fiorina and Cruz. And I don’t believe either of them has a chance either. And thousands of idiots follow that fat fool Trump. I’m losing all ability to even care.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          It is definitely disappointing. I wish Walker could have held out a bit longer until others drop out who have zero chance (like Christie, Santorum, Graham, to name a few).

          And Marge – I hear you. Trump’s declining poll numbers give me some hope, though, that people will come to their senses…

          • kenoshamarge Says:

            The problem for me is that even after Trump crashes and burns, which I have always thought he would eventually do, who’s left? Rubio? Can he be trusted on immigration? I don’t think so. Cruz? He hasn’t a chance IMO. And there is no one else I would even think about voting for. Kasich? I just don’t “like” him. Something about him makes my skin crawl. Irrational I know but there it is. Given that Trump will probably drive several other candidate out we will probably have to get used to say President Clinton again.

            Sorry, I am really, really depressed.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I can appreciate your concerns, Marge. And there will be more coming up on Walker at 10:00 in my next post. But I totally get your concerns.

          Like you, Kasich leaves me cold. There is just something abt him I don’t like, same as you. I told Suzy that just recently – just something abt him hits me wrong.

          I think Rubio would be a good President. He is smart, has a good grasp of Foreign Policy, and and has a vision for the country. He wasn’t able to articulate his Immigration plan as well during the debate given the short amt of time, but if he sticks to THAT plan, and NOT amnesty, I would be okay with that.

          And I sure hope you are wrong, dear friend…(I completely understand abt feeling depressed, too – my heart goes out to you!)

  7. helenk3 Says:

    this made my day

  8. helenk3 Says:



  9. kenoshamarge Says:

    With refugees, as with all other human beings, the current generation will pass from the scene. Those who may be grateful to have found a refuge from the horrors of the Middle East will have a new generation of children in Europe, or in any other place of refuge, who will have no memory of the Middle East.

    All the new generation will know is that they are not doing as well as other people in the country where they live. They will also know that the values of their culture clash with the values of the Western culture around them. And there will be no lack of “leaders” to tell them that they have been wronged, including some who will urge them to jihad. ~ Thomas Sowell

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, dang – that Branco cartoon NAILS it – again…

      And Sowell is quite right. Someone, I don’t remember who, suggested that instead of sending all these millions of dollars for refugees to be resettled, how abt train them to FIGHT ISIS?? I thought that was a pretty good idea.

      Still cannot believe we have spent $4.5 billion on Syrian refugees when we are cutting back our military so much. Never mind the hundreds of millions spent to train a handful of fighters in that neck of the woods. What an idiotic waste of tax-paying dollars…

  10. helenk3 Says:


    good descriptions of those running

  11. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    For a lighthearted moment, check out Carly Fiorina on The Tonight Show last night:

    • mcnorman Says:

      Not forced, very natural. Cruz was on with Colbert and he actually got a booing audience to listen and clap afterwards.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I caught part of that this morning. That is the thing – once people hear the candidates instead of what the MSM has said abt the candidates, they get to see them in a whole new light…

        Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Thank you for this. It helped lift my spirits. She is so natural. Hillary wants to be “spontaneous”, watch Carly. Take lessons.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        So glad it lifted your spirits, Marge. Wasn’t she so cute? And I love that there are four verses to that song for Snickers. Ahahaha…

        No kidding abt Hillary…

        Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

  12. helenk3 Says:


    backtrack bunch surprised by increased border crossings.
    do these people use velcro instead of shoe laces to fasten their shoes. never mind I guess they wear loafers.

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