Cozying Up To Iran Not New For Democrats, And New Info On ISIS Intel Alterations *Open Thread*

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Well, well, well. It seems that manipulating information is nothing new for Democrats in the White House. I refer to the alterations in Intelligence about ISIS that has a number of analysts up in arms. There will be more on that later on in the post, but it seems this has been going on even longer than was previously known.

I refer to President Clinton, and the latest revelations of how he and the White House cooked the books on information about Iran and the role it played in a deadly attack on US Servicepeople back in 1996. The Washington Times (h/t Facebook friend) has an extensive article on this issue, parts of which are below:

It included FBI interviews with a half-dozen Saudi co-conspirators who revealed they got their passports from the Iranian embassy in Damascus, reported to a top Iranian general and were trained by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard (IRGC), officials told The Washington Times.

The revelations about what the Clinton administration knew are taking on new significance with the recent capture of the accused mastermind of the 1996 attack, which has occurred in the shadows of the U.S. nuclear deal with Iran.

Ahmed al-Mughassil was arrested in August returning to Lebanon from Iran, and his apprehension has provided fresh evidence of Tehran’s and Hezbollah’s involvement in the attack and their efforts to shield him from justice for two decades, U.S. officials said.

Former FBI Director Louis Freeh told The Times that when he first sought the Clinton White House’s help to gain access to the Saudi suspects, he was repeatedly thwarted. When he succeeded by going around Mr. Clinton and returned with the evidence, it was dismissed as “hearsay,” and he was asked not to spread it around because the administration had made a policy decision to warm relations with Tehran and didn’t want to rock the boat, he said.

Indeed, this cozying up to Iran, no matter how badly they behave or how many Americans they help kill, including the US service members killed in this attack. Pandering to state sponsors of terrorism seems to be nothing new for Democratic Presidents, apparently.

There is more:

[…] Chief among the new evidence is a top-secret cable from summer 1999 showing that Mr. Clinton told Iran’s new and more moderate president at the time, Mohammad Khatami, that the U.S. believed Iran had participated in the Khobar Towers truck bombing.

[…]

Today, there is little doubt in U.S. circles that Iran and its Saudi Hezbollah arm participated in the deadly Khobar Towers attack. Shortly after Mr. Clinton left office, an indictment was issued against Mr. Mughassil that cited the IRGC’s assistance. And in 2006 a federal judge ruled in a civil case brought by families of the Khobar victims that Iranwas liable for hundreds of millions of dollars for its role in the attack.

The revelations about what Mr. Clinton knew about Iran’s involvement and what was kept from the public could have implications on the campaign trail for his wife Hillary’s emerging Iran policy. Seeking the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination, Mrs. Clinton has embraced the controversial nuclear deal she helped start with Iran as secretary of state but also declared she wouldn’t hesitate to use military force ifTehran cheats.

And as a precursor to the ISIS intel disruption, seems the intel on this act was also thwarted:

[…] Former Clinton aides, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the evidence pointing to Iranian involvement had become substantial by 1999. Still, some in the administration worried it was not solid enough to warrant military action, and might have been exaggerated by Saudi Arabia and its Sunni-Shia rivalry with Iran. They argued that working for moderation with Mr. Khatami was a better alternative than blaming it for an attack that happened under an earlier regime, the former aides said.

[…]

Whatever the case, the White House opted to downplay the concerns, suggesting in public that the evidence linking Iran was “fragmentary” or uncertain. Behind the scenes, steps were also taken to restrict the flow of any further evidence that Iran assisted the Khobar attack, according to interviews with law enforcement and intelligence officials.

Just like the 50 analysts speaking out about the watering down of their work on ISIS, seems Intelligence agents then were upset with how the information about Iran was handled:

[…] At the time, the FBI and the State Department’s intelligence arm were gathering significant new cooperation from Saudi authorities that pointed toward Iranian involvement. But suddenly the flow of information was stopped, officials told The Times.

“We were seeing a line of traffic that led us toward Iranian involvement, and suddenly that traffic was cut off,” recalled Wayne White, a career intelligence officer inside the State Department from 1979 to 2005 who served as deputy director of the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research’s Office of Analysis for the Near East and South Asia.

[…]

When the intelligence flow stopped on Iran’s involvement in Khobar, Mr. White said he made a “very heated demand up the chain of command.”

“We did not sit idly by and accept this,” he said in an interview. “When we found out we and the originating agency were being denied intelligence, we went upstairs to the front office to find out what was happening and to let them know we were outraged.”

[…]

“We later found out the stream had been cut off by Sandy Berger, and the original agency producing the intelligence was struggling to work around the roadblock,” he said.[…] (Click here to read the rest.)

Seems that President Obama is more like President Clinton than we knew, doesn’t it?

Meanwhile, more information has come out about the intel being manipulated on ISIS by the Obama White House. From Fox News:

[…] Critics say this “activity based approach” to battle damage assessments does not present a comprehensive picture of whether ISIS is being degraded, nor does it reflect its resiliency.

For example, despite the year-long campaign to target oil refineries, the terror group has built temporary facilities and maintained the ability to raise money.

Two sources, including Rep. Mike Pompeo, R-Kan., said the investigation to date shows it is not a problem that begins and ends with CENTCOM, but rather the evidence indicates pressure from Washington.

“What we have seen so far raises real questions, not only about politicized intelligence at the level of the central command, but pressure that they may well have received from the top,” Pompeo, who sits on the House Intelligence Committee, told Fox News. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

“Oh what a tangled web we weave…” Seems deceiving us is a longstanding tradition of the White House. That is not news, I know, but that there is so much being done, then and now, to let sponsors of terrorism against us and terrorist groups off the hook is disturbing at best. The former to ingratiate ourselves to Iran, and the latter to make the Administration look like it is doing more than it is. Truly disturbing.

But what is evident is that the truth indeed wills out. The revelation about President Clinton may impact his wife’s campaign as noted in the article, and the outrage by the intelligence analysts and learning that we are NOT being as successful as Obama would make it seem, will surely bring about some changes.

Well, one can hope so, anyway. That’s the newsflash for today. This is an Open Thread.

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28 Responses to “Cozying Up To Iran Not New For Democrats, And New Info On ISIS Intel Alterations *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    We all ready knew that both Clinton’s were liars. However only one of them is a skilled liar. Both of them have uttered stupid remarks that have become part of the language – “At this point what does it matter” from her and “depends on what your definition of is is” from him. I cannot believe that I voted for him twice and her once in a primary. Mea Culpa.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    Perhaps it’s just me being an “Islamaphobe” but…

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      No kidding. The denial about radical Islamists is astonishing. Check that – it is pathological. There is no other way to see it when people refuse to recognize reality…

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    Exclusive: Biden himself leaked word of his son’s dying wish

    The vice president is mourning. He’s also calculating.

    Biden has portrayed his decision about a 2016 run as purely emotional, a question of whether he and has family have the strength. That’s a big part of it. But it’s not all of it.

    By every account of those surrounding Biden, Beau is constantly on his father’s mind. But so are Clinton’s poll numbers — and his own, as the vice president notes in private details, such as the crosstab data that show him drawing more support from Clinton than Bernie Sanders. So is the prospect of what it would mean to run against a candidate who would make history as the first female nominee, and potentially first female president. So is knowing that the filing deadlines are quickly closing in and that he almost certainly has to decide in roughly the next week to make even a seat-of-the-pants campaign possible.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/joe-biden-beau-2016-214459#ixzz3nnONd000

    If true, and I believe it is, this is really sick!

    I knew politicians were a breed apart, as in not wholly human but this is beyond the pale. I didn’t think even a Democrat could sink this low.

    Then I remembered that Biden has been lying about the death of his first wife and daughter for many years. So for Joe this is just SOP.

    • foxyladi14 Says:

      what a sleeze he is

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        No kidding. When he was on Colbert (I think it was), breaking peoples’ hearts talking abt his son, and how he wasn’t sure he had it in him to run, then met with a committee within HOURS of that taping, I knew he was not the man people are trying to make him out to be. UGH.

        Thanks for this, Marge. You and Foxy sum up Biden well.

  4. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-just-announced-a-trip-to-oregon-massacre-site-the-towns-residents-are-doing-this-in-response/

    backtrack stay home, you are NOT welcome here

  5. helenk3 Says:

    I do not know if I more angry with myself for ever being a democrat or the democratic party for fooling me so long.

    Am I crazy or does it seem like since Kennedy was killed everything changed?

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I often feel that way too Helen. But I haven’t really changed, at least my core beliefs, very much in 50 years. I don’t think we so much left the Democrat Party as they left us. They moved way too far left for us to follow. So we didn’t. Sadly for the right, we won’t be fooled again so they had best keep their damn shenanigans to a bare minimum.

  6. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/train-hero-honors-oregon-town-dancing-stars

    a good man

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yes he is, and he is an INCREDIBLE dancer, to boot. Every week, he amazes and impresses, especially since he was NOT a dancer before. Last night was very emotional for him and everyone.

      That said, it griped me when Alphonso Ribieri, standing in for Tom Bergeron, referred to the terrorist in Paris as a “gunman.” UGH.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I haven’t watched “Dancing With The Stars” for some time. But after reading the article Helen linked to I sought out his dances. He’s fantastic! Never danced before? Wow he sure is a fast learner. Young, smart, talented, good looking and a hero to boot. He does America proud!

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Isn’t Alek something? He is also humble and self-deprecating to boot. The head judge, Julianne Hough, said she could not BELIEVE he was only 22 because he acts so mature.

          And all the judges rave abt his presence on the floor, his strength, his leading the pro so well, and his overall ability. He is something, isn’t he?

  7. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2015/10/06/anti-obama-signs-already-showing-up-in-roseburg/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medi

    WOW….wonder if he will get the message

  8. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    For a moment of respite, I give you this:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Thanks for this. I miss my birds so much and this reminds me of why. They are a constant source of amusement, entertainment and company. This brought a smile.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I know you do, Marge – I can totally appreciate the entertainment they brought to your life.

      Check out THIS one:

  9. kenoshamarge Says:

    Just another day at the corrupt entity CNN that calls itself a “news” organization. It’s not. Just using this as another chance to blame whitey.

  10. kenoshamarge Says:

  11. kenoshamarge Says:

    Kasich: Maybe I’ll Buy Bibles for Medicaid Expansion Critics, So They’ll Care About the Poor

    By Guy Benson

    John Kasich has been a staunch defender of his decision to expand Medicaid under Obamacare, often invoking religious values as a justification for his public policy stance.

    Kasich begins by whining about people “yelling” at him over his controversial decision on Medicaid. Civil discourse is of course a laudable goal, but Kasich’s tone here is redolent of Democrats cynically reaching for the smelling salts after citizens dared to raise their voices at Obamacare town hall meetings in 2009. Politics stir passions and inspire rough-and-tumble debates sometimes. You’re a powerful elected leader, governor. Deal with it.

    Next, he climbs atop his high horse to reprise his discussion-ending talking point, explicitly arguing that the Bible teaches us to care for the poor, ergo, his political decision is effectively blessed by God Himself.

    Think this was taken out of context? Let Kasich tell you himself:

    I could have told you this kind of rhetoric was coming. There have been many indications that this self-righteous POS thinks he speaks for God.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Now I have even more reason to dislike him. How sanctimonious, self-righteous, and arrogant. UGH.

  12. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Gee, what a surprise – the UN is usually such a bastion of dignity (not): http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/10/ex-un-president-arrested-charged-for-accepting-1-3mm-in-bribes/

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