Fait Accompli? Democratic “Debate” Distilled *Open Thread*

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The first Democratic Debate is behind us, the Big Tent Party was represented by five white guys and one gal. Now, I admit – I did not watch the debate. Why? Because I had about ten thousand other things I needed to do instead. Primarily, though, I didn’t watch for the same reason Sheriff David Clarke didn’t watch:

[…] David A. Clarke, Jr. ✔ @SheriffClarke

@ChristiChat @RWSurferGirl @realDonaldTrump I’m watching Mets/Dodgers. If I want to be lied to I’ll interrogate a criminal.

9:51 PM – 13 Oct 2015 (Click here to read the rest.)

And there ya have it!

One thing seems obvious from the responses of reporters and pundits alike: Hillary Clinton is the Nominee, and the others are vying for positions in her cabinet. From most accounts, including Prof. Larry Sabato from UVA’s Center For Politics, Clinton was the clear winner of the Debate, though it seems Sanders had a pretty good showing, too. Especially when he defended her over that pesky Email Scandal which really is no big deal, people. Who cares about National Security, after all? Clearly not most of the people who were on that stage last night, it seems.

Oh, and as an aside, one of the hosts of Fox and Friends, I believe it was, said that the press room erupted in cheers when Sanders defended Clinton over the emails. So much for that “fair and balanced” journalism, huh?

Honestly, I still cannot believe that a 70-something year old loud-mouthed Socialist is doing so well on the Democrats’ side. Heck, even Hillary was tacking FAR LEFT in the debate, a far cry from where she was just 8 years ago. What the hell is going on in the Democratic Party? When did they become Democratic Socialists??

No wonder Sec. Webb is polling so poorly. He is the old-school Democrat, the kind of Democrat I was before they Party lost its mind and decided to give away everyone else’s money.

It is to this point that David Harsanyi writes about Sec. Jim Webb in The Federalist:

When Democratic Party presidential hopefuls were asked by CNN’s Anderson Cooper to list enemies they had made during their careers that they were most proud of, the only candidate who didn’t include any fellow Americans was Jim Webb. Webb—who, it should be noted, didn’t exactly answer the question—explained that it was an enemy soldier who once threw a grenade and wounded him; a soldier who was no longer around. Jim Webb killed a commie because Jim Webb loves America.

Many liberals on social media found this revelation sorta creepy. Yet there was probably a time when liberal voters would have been impressed by someone who had served his country so valiantly. They might have seen promise in a candidate whose populist sensibilities could speak convincingly to the working class and to Southerners, and whose appeal was propelled by both idealism and realism. Webb might have been formidable Democrat presidential candidate 15 years ago. Twenty-five years ago he might have been a star. Today? He’s a man completely out of touch with the philosophical temperament of his party.

Webb may have fought in a war against collectivist authoritarians, but today he’s debating one—a less threatening socialist who regularly lectures thousands of excitable sycophants about the need for more coercion and redistribution. This would have been anathema even for Barack Obama even in 2008. Bernie Sanders is not stigmatized by his ideology. Today there’s almost no genuine philosophical daylight between Sanders’ ideas and the professed positions of front-runner Hillary Clinton. Their disagreement is over what’s achievable. Yet Beltway wisdom tells us only one party has been radicalized in America. Democrats are the adults. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Well, THAT is a disturbing thought, isn’t it? That the Democrats are considered the “adults” in the room? I guess that is what Anderson Cooper was saying when he referred to them as being “all serious people, ” as opposed to, you know, those whacko Republicans. Frankly, I thought Jim WEBB was the adult up on that dais, like when he answered this question about gun control:

Huh. He actually mentioned mental illness as being a big problem with some who obtain guns. And he defended gun owners, as well as highlighted the hypocrisy of the Left as IJ Review noted.

No wonder Webb is doing so poorly among Leftie Liberals…

The debate was also fodder for some pretty funny comments, a la Sheriff Clarke. Earlier today, Martha McCallum noted on “America’s Newsroom” that the Democrats have 6 debates, and considering last night’s debate, that was probably enough. No kidding. Here are some other funny responses via Twittter from conservative pundits:

[…] Jonah Goldberg ✔ @JonahNRO
Close your eyes. Bernie Sanders is George Steinbrenner from Seinfeld.

8:56 PM – 13 Oct 2015
YouTube @YouTube

Brit Hume ✔ @brithume
I keep expecting Sanders to shout “Get off my lawn!”
8:56 PM – 13 Oct 2015

Michael Deppisch @deppisch
“Bernie Sanders has a D- from the NRA.” Hey, that’s the same grade he got in economics! #DemDebate
9:13 PM – 13 Oct 2015

Liz Mair @LizMair
I’m not really sure saying you’re a “block of granite” is a really good argument. “Hi, I’m a rock.” Great. #demdebate
9:08 PM – 13 Oct 2015

The Post and Courier ✔ @postandcourier
.@BernieSanders calls #Syria “a quagmire in a quagmire.” #DemDebate
9:23 PM – 13 Oct 2015

Caleb Howe @CalebHowe
Cooper: American citizens did lose their lives in Benghazi. Clinton: I’ll get to that! #WhatDifferenceAtThisPoint #DemDebate

Mollie @MZHemingway
GR8EST nat security threat? Chafee-Middle East, O’Malley-climate, HRC-nuclear threats, Sanders-climate, Webb-China, cyberwarfare, Mid East

Liz Mair @LizMair
Jim Webb really, really is running in the wrong primary. He really is. #demdebate […] (Click here to read more.)

There were some good ones to be sure, and they summed up the debate well in their 140 characters or less…

One last thing that is important to note about the debate: despite Bernie’s claims, he could not be more wrong about those emails of Clinton’s. From Legal Insurrection:

Hillary Clinton supporters understandably are happy after last night’s debate. The motley crew of challengers on stage were incapable of stringing sentences together, much less taking on Clinton directly. Bernie Sanders’ demand that the media leave Hillary alone on her server also was a boost to her narrative of “nothing to see here, move along.”

But that good night masked the fact that in the real world, the server is a serious problem legally and politically. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

That it is, especially since President Obama is having to revise his comments about this serious issue after his Steve Kroft interview. Jacobsen at Legal Insurrection has more on that in the article quoted above. It is worth a read.

Bottom line is that the first debate is behind us, and honestly, I am glad I had the other thousands of things to do. How about you? What’s on your minds today? This is an Open Thread.

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58 Responses to “Fait Accompli? Democratic “Debate” Distilled *Open Thread*”

  1. helenk3 Says:

  2. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/425531/debate-lesson-america-now-has-openly-socialist-party-jim-geraghty

    the lesson learned from the debate

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      And since nearly 1/2 of the people in this country just want to keep getting the freebies I don’t think they care if Sanders is a socialist or not. In fact most probably haven’t the faintest idea what they means.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good piece, Helen. Thanks for that. And Marge, you are right – as long as they get free stuff at someone else’s expense, they don’t care if they are leading this country into a failed economic mindset.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        After I wrote that, I saw this quote from Winston Churchill a friend had at Facebook: “”Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

  3. piper Says:

    Darn, missed it and refused to DVD it. Had to go to knitting where one of the guys and I discussed Wisconsin life in the 1800’s and famous but a bit stupid English murderers.

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

  5. foxyladi14 Says:

    Bernie is going to lose his voice, from all that yelling. 😀

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      And wasn’t he the one who kept saying that yelling didn’t help? Yet, that is ALL he seemed to do!

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    Lost in debate news – Obama walks back Hillary server defense

    By William A. Jacobson

    The White House on Tuesday backtracked on President Barack Obama’s blanket assertion earlier this week that Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of state didn’t pose a national security threat.

    Asked outright in an interview on CBS’ “60 Minutes,” Obama said, “I don’t think it posed a national security problem.”

    But asked how the President was able to make such a definitive statement even as the FBI is looking into the server’s security, White House press secretary Josh Earnest clarified that Obama’s statement was made “based on what we publicly know now.”

    “The President was making an observation about what we know so far, which is that Secretary Clinton herself has turned over a bunch of email to the State Department, and the review of that email has garnered some differing assessments about what’s included in there,” Earnest said.

    The President’s comment was “certainly was not an attempt, in any way, to undermine the importance or independence of the ongoing FBI investigation,” Earnest said, stressing that Obama “has a healthy respect for the kinds of independent investigations that are conducted by inspectors general and, where necessary, by the FBI.”

    The walk-back could be because the security issues are getting worse, not better, as AP reports, Clinton email server setup risked intrusions:

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/10/lost-in-debate-news-obama-walks-back-hillary-server-defense/

    There he went again – running his mouth when he didn’t know what the hell he was talking about. Guess the warm and fuzzy, not to mention supportive feeling he gets at CBS tends to get him off teleprompter.

  7. helenk3 Says:

    good one

    https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/12096248_10153316021384296_8486826040358231739_n.png?oh=c644f101a5cf7e9f523ced48a8338a5c&oe=5689688E

  8. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.teaparty.org/obama-admin-forced-pay-400000-harassing-ice-attorney-enforced-immigration-law-116618/

    GOOD

  9. mcnorman Says:

    I tried to be brave, but it was too much. It was as awful as the castor oil thingy.

  10. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-fired-up-trey-gowdy-obliterates-critics-with-cold-hard-facts-i-dont-care-what-democrats-say/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=WesternJournalism&utm_content=2015-10-13&utm_campaign=manualpost

    Unless I had my facts all in order , I would not want to get into a argument with Trey Gowdy

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Whoo-EY, he was hot under the collar, and rightfully so. Good for Gowdy for standing up for his people and standing up to this leech.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I wouldn’t want to get in an argument with Trey but I sure would like him to have my back if I was arguing with some lying POS.

      I still don’t agree with him or the others about Ryan. Leave Ryan where he is and where no one else is as good or as qualified. Why take a numbers man and try to make him a cat herder?

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        LOL – exactly, Marge – what a man to have in your corner, huh?

        I hear you abt Ryan, too. He is in a good place for his talents and interests. His aptitude for numbers and the budget is astonishing. Leave him be already. There are hundreds of others from which they can choose…

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          247 Republicans and only Paul Ryan can be Speaker? Nonsense! However the “Freedom Caucus” had better start looking for someone instead of Webster to support since I read that his district has been gerrymandered and he will now face 30% more Democrats in his election than he did the last time. And he only won by 4 points then. What sense does it make to elect a Speaker who can’t/won’t get re-elected?

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            Great point there, Marge – and it doesn’t make a lot of sense at all, does it? Good grief, what is wrong with these people?! They have such a great opportunity right now. Why aren’t they approaching this more soberly?!

  11. kenoshamarge Says:

    Planned Parenthood wasn’t doing anything wrong but they got caught doing it so they aren’t going to do it anymore. Did I get that right?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      PERFECT. That is just perfect. And it highlights just what big freakin’ duplicitous temper tantrum throwing LIARS they are.

  12. kenoshamarge Says:

    The Democrats’ Gift to the GOP

    Hillary Clinton won the debate last night, but it was a victory that will be forever marred with an asterisk. Any candle can appear to shine brightly when it is alone in the darkness. Yes, Clinton was politically deft, by far the most policy specific, and generally presented herself as a competent steward of the party she is seeking to lead. If you’re Joe Biden this morning, you have to be wondering if there is a market for your candidacy among grassroots Democrats. The coronation is back on, and Hillary Clinton has already been fitted for her crown.

    From a Republican’s perspective, though, last night was a blessing. The first and only time in which the Democratic field will gather to debate in prime time on a weekday before the first votes are cast in Iowa and New Hampshire featured a cavalcade of liberal politicians all (with the notable exception of Jim Webb) pandering to the Democratic Party’s fringe elements. The candidates spent a fair bit of energy attempting to rehabilitate European-style socialism, competed over who would embrace the most restrictive gun rights policy, promised a bevy of “free” services that none of them will ever be able to deliver, rejected the perfectly noncontroversial notion that “all lives matter,” and assured their wide-eyed viewers that the greatest national security threat facing the nation was the weather and that the National Security Agency’s surveillance programs should be essentially mothballed. This is the stuff of GOP ad-makers’ dreams.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/campaigns-elections/democrats-keep-clinton-email-scandal-alive/

  13. kenoshamarge Says:

  14. helenk3 Says:

    this is one cool cat and I love him

    https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12141726_10153087640455658_6325984224940966529_n.jpg?oh=d7eec9d53ba904b5fe9a78bb6168bd6a&oe=568BF281

  15. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    This article is spot on – Jim Webb IS a badass. As others have been saying all day, he was at the wrong debate: http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/14/heres-why-jim-webb-killed-a-man-and-bragged-about-it-at-the-democratic-debate/

  16. helenk3 Says:

    Jim Webb was the only one on stage, that seems like he gives a damn about the American citizen

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      True that, Helen. He is an old-school (as in, not an entitlement spending Socialist) Democrat, and all the others on the stage weren’t even close. Heck they prefer being the Capitalism bashing Socialists now. Who would have thought that would be the case in just 7 short years…

  17. helenk3 Says:

    http://fortune.com/2015/10/14/democratic-debate-tuesday-ratings/

    more people watched NCIS then the dem circus

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      LOL, that is what I was watching! 🙂

      Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I was watching Scorpion which I DVRd on Monday and was DVRing NCIS. I can ff through the endless mind numbingly stupid commercials and avoid the juvenile behavior of Tony and Abby who have managed to grow older through all the seasons but never have managed to grow up. Still in love with Ducky and Jethro.

  18. helenk3 Says:

  19. helenk3 Says:

  20. helenk3 Says:

    seems like a lot of people got the idea that Jim Webb was the only sane one in the room

  21. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/236884-tantrum-throwing-youth-occupying-baltimore-city-hall-to-get-mayor-to-dump-police-commissioner-threat-made-against-police/

    tell me again why anyone would want to live in Baltimore?
    too see what has happened to the city where the Star Spangled Banner was written is just sickening

  22. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Well, this sums up journalists in our country:

  23. helenk3 Says:

    http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2015/10/12/my-prediction-a-cruz-rubio-ticket/

    I can see Cruz, but I do not think it will be Rubio. both from the south, one Fla the other Texas. Cruz will need a vice president from another part of the country.

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