What A Bunch Of Losers *Open Thread*


I refer both to the CNBC moderators during the Republican Debate Wednesday night, and the Republicans who sided with ALL of the Democrats on the terrible, horrible, complete and utter giveaway, budget deal in the House.

First to CNBC. Holy moley, what a disaster that was for CNBC. As I noted in Comments last night, I think it makes Reince Priebus look like a GENIUS for allowing CNBC to host this event. Why? It galvanized the Republicans in a major fashion, and really allowed a number of them to shine as they responded to the fact-challenged, snarky, arrogant, condescending, patronizing, mean, and mean-spirited, questions the Moderators asked.

One of the big winners was Sen. Ted Cruz. His response to the moderators about one of their questions received the highest marks in YEARS with Frank Luntz’s focus group. From BizPacReview:

[…] Luntz talked to a focus group of Republican voters to gauge their reactions during the third GOP debate and revealed his findings to Fox News host Megyn Kelly on “The Kelly File.”

The “special moment” Luntz spoke of came during Sen. Ted Cruz’s reply to a question.

“The questions that have been asked so far in this debate illustrate why the American people don’t trust the media,” the Texas Republican said to applause. “How about talking about the substantive issues?”

The graph indicated that both conservative and moderate Republicans gave Cruz’s remarks as high as a 98, on a scale from zero to 100. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

The response from Sen. Cruz to which Luntz refers is this poignant moment:

Dang, right? He set those moderators straight in a big way, but not in a derogatory manner. He was, well, Presidential in how he addressed them and their skewed focus.

Another contender who appeared Presidential was Sen. Marco Rubio. He was asked downright rude questions about his personal finances, and a completely erroneous claim about Rubio’s tax plan by John Harwood. (As a Facebook friend noted, Harwood had to Tweet out after the fact that he was WRONG. Gee, maybe a little fact-checking before asking the questions might have been good.) This line from Sen. Rubio about the Mainstream Media was powerful indeed:

No kidding, huh? There were a number of excellent responses, including this one from Gov. Chris Christie as the Daily Caller reports:

[…] The first question of the night from moderators was for the Republican candidates to list their biggest weakness. Christie refused to say.

“I don’t see a lot of weakness on the stage quite frankly,” he said. “Where I see the weakness is in those three people left on the Democratic stage. You know, I see a Socialist, an Isolationist, and a Pessimist, and for the sake of me I can’t figure out which one is which.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

All in all, CNBC and its moderators did a DISASTROUS job in this debate, but the candidates all rose above the assholic behavior of the moderators and were able to highlight their strengths, policies, and positions despite them.

But there were other losers yesterday besides the CNBC moderators. That would be the 70 Republicans who joined in voting with ALL of the Democrats to hand President Obama a blank check for the rest of his term. I am relieved to note that my Representative, Mark Sanford, did NOT vote for this terrible bill, nor did Rep. Trey Gowdy. I am sorely disappointed in some of those who did, though. If you would like to find out how your Representative voted, you can click HERE to see the results.

You may ask, what is so bad about this deal? Well, as this Daily Signal article highlights, it uses the same “accounting” as Obamacare does:

Two conservative lawmakers are accusing Republican leaders of using an accounting gimmick in their budget deal—a “trick” that mimics a tactic Democrats employed to pass Obamacare.

Sen. Jeff Sessions and Rep. Mo Brooks call it a practice in double-counting to produce a better budget score. Democrats did the same thing with the Affordable Care Act in an effort to generate a budget score that didn’t increase the deficit, the two Alabama Republicans claim.

During the Obamacare debate, Democrats argued about $500 billion would be used for two things—shoring up Medicare and covering the cost of the new health care law. “Of course,” say Sessions and Brooks, “the same dollar cannot be spent in two different places.”

The Boehner-Obama budget deal would increase the debt limit by $1.5 trillion to an estimated $19.6 trillion. It also boosts spending by $80 billion beyond spending caps set in 2011. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

But it is even worse than that, as Ben Domenech from The Federalist points out:

[…] That deal, keep in mind, is an inherent lie – it includes cuts that will never happen, along the lines of an NFL contract with 50 million socked away in an unguaranteed final year for appearances.

“Nearly half of those offsets (including new revenues) are not realized until 2025—the last year of the budget window. Between this Boehner-Obama deal and the Ryan-Murray spending agreement of 2013 (the last time Congress revisited the discretionary spending caps), Congress has increased spending by a total of 143 billion dollars before 2021 (the period covered by the Budget Control Act) paid for with 98 billion in savings not realized until after 2021.”

Even worse, there’s no reason this deal had to happen. The Boehner-Obama deal is a disaster for Republicans. It’s a classic spend more now and promise to spend less in the future deal with virtually nothing good in it. No shutdown was imminent, nor was any real default, and 61 percent of Americans were opposed to a debt limit hike or wanted it tied to spending cuts. So of course the White House wants to slam it through. Of course, John Boehner promised that there would be no more backroom deals, and that you’d get at least three days of a public bill before voting – a shame that he would literally violate his Pledge to America on the way out the door. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

And that is just it – there is NO REASON for Boehner to have insisted upon this Obama giveaway as his last, parting move (he is giving his swan song as I type. Buh Bye.). It is terrible, and all I can hope is that the Senate will do ITS duty and not give away more to Obama and the Democrats. They have done plenty of that already.

At least that’s what I think. How about you? This is an Open Thread.


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49 Responses to “What A Bunch Of Losers *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Almost everyone with any honesty agreed that the biggest “losers” of the debate were CNBC and Jeb Bush. Personally I thought Cruz and Rubio rose to the top and I’m not a real big fan of either man. But damn they were good! Christie also had some good moments and Fiorina, while not shining like she did before held her own. JMO

    CNBC’s really bad debate night

    Before the candidates even took the stage at Wednesday night’s Republican presidential debate, the network hosting the debate was getting pilloried on social media.

    As the 8 o’clock Eastern start time came and went, CNBC’s pre-debate pundits kept droning on. And on. And on. It wasn’t clear why. There was no countdown clock on the screen or indication of when the show might begin.


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      NO KIDDING abt the panel going on and on and on. I could not believe they were all sitting around BS’ing, some making disparaging comments abt Republicans, while the Republicans were getting ready to take the stage It was crazy! They were just terrible.

      I agree abt Fiorina – she held her own. I think Cruz and Rubio really rose to the occasion. I think JEB! needs to drop out now. He, and Kasich, are acting like curmudgeons.

      Abt Kasich – boy, he rubs me the wrong way. Ugh.

      I saw a clip of my Senator, Graham, from the earlier debate. He made a hilarious comment abt Bernie Sanders. He said he had gone “to the Soviet Union for his honeymoon, and doesn’t seem to have come back,” or words to that effect. Cracked me up. And just think abt the Soviet Union as a honeymoon destination for a moment. WOW…

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    As for John Boehner’s final sell-out, who can be surprised by this. One thing I will give him is that as long as it was going to happen, and it was, that he took the heat in order to try to give Ryan a clean slate to start with. Even Ryan said the deal stunk before he voted for it.

    Now if he, Ryan, can get the Republicans in the House to quit fighting each other, a forlorn hope, and fight for fiscal sanity the country might stand a chance. If the Freedom Caucus fights him every step of the way and if the idiots who think every Republican that doesn’t support their agenda can just try to see some reality, there might be a chance to win some of the fights. Otherwise, they hand all the wins to Obama and the Dems. At least that’s the way I see things at this point in time. All subject to change depending on things that happen along the way. But I am, when not outraged, a pragmatist.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I can appreciate that, Marge – that he is trying to give Ryan a clean slate. But giving up the power of the purse to Obama for TWO YEARS is an idiotic thing to do. Again, when all of the Dems are for something, that should raise some major eyebrows.

      I hope, too, that Ryan will be able to get the House, and the country, in some kind of fiscal order. Heaven knows, we need it…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I don’t “like” the deal any more than you do. And Dems always seems to march together like good little clones so that doesn’t surprise me. Like it or not, and it started back when Bush had both houses, the majority of Republicans are just as willing to spend, spend, spend as the Dems. They say different at election time but their actions speak louder than words.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Sadly, so it seems. I so, so hope we can finally get some people in who really do care abt fiscal matters. I am not holding my breath, though…

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    Gotta have a cartoon

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

    The left is always trying to portray the GOP candidates as a bunch of clowns – if you wanted to see 3 clowns there they were sitting at that table.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      You said it, Marge. They made the Reps look SO much better by comparison!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        And most of the candidates, with the exception of Kasich and JEB! seemed to “get” that their moment to stand together against a common enemy, and I do mean enemy, the MSM had come.

        Then they had their debate in spite of and often over the top of the 3 clowns at the table that wouldn’t make a pimple on a moderators butt.

  5. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    It is official: Paul Ryan is the new Speaker of the House.

  6. lyn Says:


  7. helenk3 Says:

  8. helenk3 Says:

    this is so true


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      It is totally true. That change seems to have made a tremendous difference in this country, and surely not for the better…

  9. helenk3 Says:

    can you imagine how much Cruz as president and Ryan as speaker can accomplish? they are both smart young men. They are not into the “old way” of doing things. They are willing to listen and learn and make informed decisions and get people to work together.
    For the first time in a long time, I am beginning to have some hope the DC might become part of the US again and put America first

  10. helenk3 Says:


    happy halloween from the energy dept


  11. helenk3 Says:


    yes it was

  12. kenoshamarge Says:

    Stunning: Kasich ‘very appreciative’ of CNBC moderators


    I believe that Cruz and Rubio did themselves a lot of good last night. And with this idiocy I think Kasich did himself some harm. He appears to be completely out of touch with many/most Republicans.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Wow. Well, that goes right along with me already not liking him. He clearly is WAY out of touch…

  13. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    A friend on Facebook had a link to the Right Scoop (http://therightscoop.com/bias-much-cbs-news-host-attacks-rubio-for-calling-hillary-a-liar-during-interview-supposed-to-be-about-the-debate/) for a video of Sen. Rubio being interviewed this morning on CBS This Morning. Holy SMOKES is Charlie a clear, argumentative sycophant for Hillary and the Dems. Maybe he should go work for CNBC:

  14. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Talk about being out of touch – check out the response of John Harwood abt the criticisms they are receiving: http://www.westernjournalism.com/cnbc-debate-moderator-responds-to-fierce-criticism-with-4-jaw-dropping-words/?

  15. helenk3 Says:


    you gotta love him

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Ahahaha, that is just too funny. Good for Ryan. Apparently, he is a man of integrity!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I think he is a man of character and integrity. He obviously is a man that cares about his family if one of the “conditions” for his taking the Speakership was continuing to spend time with his family. I just think he’s become too much the politician and that sooner or later, a few “give-ins” here and a few “bargains” there and much of that character and integrity is compromised. Few are strong enough to withstand that. I just hope he’s one.

        Ryan has been in Washington a good share of his adult life and has remained a good man. Can he continue to do that so near the seats of power? We will see. I certainly will not condemn him as so many are doing as a RINO. That’s just nonsense. That term is tossed around far too much as is used, incorrectly, as a club to bludgeon any who dare to think for themselves. Ryan is a good conservative.

        Jon Huntsman struck me as a RINO as does Kasich sort of. Ryan? Not at all. I am very distrustful of people that toss that RINO tag around. I did it too a few times and am now ashamed of myself for it. Thinking people need to “think” before following the herd mentality. I didn’t and don’t from time to time and then wish I’d had. Eating crow, even to myself, doesn’t taste good.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I would add Trump to that RINO tag, and I agree abt Huntsman (who also rubbed me the wrong way) and Kasich.

          Ryan? No, I don’t think so. He is so smart, and seems very grounded in his family and in himself. Hopefully, that will keep him from becoming too much of the kinds of politicians we deplore. Considering the people who hold him in such high esteem from Romney to Gowdy, he must be a pretty decent guy. 🙂

          • kenoshamarge Says:

            I don’t think Trump cares about anything but Trump. His party is Trump, his ideology is Trump and his country is named Trump. He puts his name on more things than the Federal Government. That’s a massive and narcissistic ego IMO.

  16. helenk3 Says:

    off topic but important


    another backtrack attack on legal American citizens

  17. helenk3 Says:

    there is a discussion going on about jeb vs rubio.
    here is my comment

    did not plan to vote for either one. Do not want another Bush and for some reason and I can not tell you why Rubio was not my cup of tea.

    My original choice was a Walker -Cruz ticket. Since Walker quit, I want a Cruz-Carley or Cruz- Walker or something that would blow the minds of the dems a Cruz-Romney ticket. Wouldn’t that be fun to watch

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      LOL – that would be something to watch for sure, Helen. I wish Walker hadn’t dropped out so soon, that’s for sure. There are some good ones left, thank heavens…

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I believe the GOP would be smart to stick to a brand new ticket with people who have never run before. My dream choice is Cruz/Fiorina because I just don’t trust Rubio on immigration. Cruz is a bit of a neo-con for me but he is also a strict Constitutionalist so that sort of balances things.

      The problem for Cruz is that he has as many enemies in the Republican establishment as he does with the Dems. Having said that, if the right is looking for a fighter, he’s their man. Unlike Trump, he’s more than just hot air and bad hair.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I also meant to say that a ticket of “newbies” would be a stark contrast to someone like Hillary who has been around forever. My guess is that when she’s crowned nominee she will choose someone new and young as her running mate. Or will showcase her as old news and old?

        Either way Cruz/Fiorina or even Rubio/Fiorina would be a real contrast.

        I keep harping on Fiorina not because I am a gender voter but because I genuinely like her and believer she as either president or VP would continue her fight against PP. She would help to peel away some, not many but some, female voters who just don’t “like” or “trust” Hillary. Mostly those who don’t know or care about issues but vote by gender. The female nitwit vote.

        In the same way Cruz or Rubio would peel away a few Hispanic voters – those that vote by race not issue. The race nitwit vote.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Oh, I totally understand abt Fiorina. It isn’t a gender thing for me, either. She is clearly VERY smart, and has a good grasp on the major issues of the day. She is a problem solver and a leader, both of which we desperately need (and more on Fiorina coming up).

          I like Cruz, too. His neo-con concerns both Suzy and me, but I do like him. I would pull the lever for him, let’s put it that way.

          Great comments, Marge!

  18. kenoshamarge Says:

    Thought you would like this Ramirez cartoon Rev Amy

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That sounds abt right! It is funny to me on another level – as you will see in my post for tomorrow, we are going to be watching our godson play rugby this weekend. The beginning of my post, I talk abt how we have been “tricked.” Talk abt being on the same wavelength! 😀

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