It’s Debatable, It Isn’t Debatable, And It Is A Celebration *Open Thread*


As just about everyone knows by now, there is a Republican debate on the Fox Business Network tonight (Tuesday). The under card is at 7:00 pm (EST), and the main debate is at 9:00 pm (EST). Two candidates have been dropped out altogether, Sen. Lindsey Graham and Gov. George Pataki.

Some of the first tier debaters have been dropped down to the under card debate, particularly Gov. Mike Huckabee and Gov. Chris Christie. That means there will be 4 people in the first debate, and 8 in the second debate. Hopefully, that means people will have more time to actually answer questions. Considering who the two moderators are, Maria Bartiromo and Neil Cavuto, the debate should be informative.

As a preview to the Debate, Maria Bartiromo interviewed both Sen. Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina over the weekend. If these interviews are any indication, and no reason to think they aren’t, we are in for an interesting debate tonight.

Here is Bartiromo interviewing Sen. Marco Rubio:

And here is Bartiromo interviewing Carly Fiorina from the weekend:

I appreciate the level of questions Bartiromo asked, and that she allowed the candidates the time to fully answer the questions she asked. To have this kind of one-on-one is surely helpful in getting to know these candidates and their positions. I assume the debate will build on these kinds of questions and opportunities for candidates to actually be able to get out what they think and what their positions are. That is my hope, anyway!

But my hope is short-lived for our next generation when you see what is going on at the University of Missouri and Yale. Apparently, how one FEELS is now the rule of law, and instead of Freedom of Speech, we have Freedom To Not Be Offended By Anyone We Don’t Like. That seems to be what has happened as both the President and Chancellor of University of Missouri have stepped down in the wake of a mob making demands, and at Yale in which the husband of a faculty member is berated as “disgusting.” What was HIS offense? Being married to a woman who said people have the RIGHT TO WEAR WHAT THEY WANT on Halloween. Seriously. That is where we are now. No debate seems to be allowed.

The Daily Signal has a great piece on the “mob rule” that has now enveloped our institutions of “higher” learning:

[…] First, both situations involve student activists disrupting education, allegedly on behalf of education. At Yale, the activists claimed that allowing free discourse and debate and challenging their assumptions threatened the “safe space” they thought Yale was.

At Mizzou, activists claimed that failing to deal with “structural racism” was harming their education. Both groups of students listed not specific harms, but rather vague interests in feeling good at their university.

Second, both situations involve administrators being asked to clamp down on the free expression of other students. At Yale, students were upset that Yale administrators were not clamping down on Halloween costumes. At Mizzou, students wanted more unspecified action against perceived racism on campus.

Third, both situations involve menacing groups of students that come very close to physical violence. At Yale, for example, students physically encircled the administrator, shouted him down, and got very close to him in a threatening manner. At Mizzou, students physically surrounded the car of Wolfe and demanded he exit the vehicle into the mob.

This pattern is becoming more prevalent on American campuses. In the name of education, education is being disrupted by intolerant student activists, harming the experience for everyone else. At my alma mater, New York University Law School, a small cadre of students is complaining about Halloween decorations that included a man hanging from a noose, because such a decoration was “harmful suicide imagery.”

These students, complaining about harmless decorations at an optional fall party, are attempting to assert disruptive political control over all aspects of educational life. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

In my opinion, these kinds of actions are the direct result of years of being given trophies for nothing more than showing up, for emphasizing feelings over learning and logic, and for the heightened sensitivities overall, but most currently, the “micro-aggressions” and other crap being spoon fed to our young people. In other words, the chickens have come home to roost, and these little darlings think they can stamp their feet and demand major actions just because they said so. Sadly, they appear to be right. THAT is where we are.

Also not up for debate is the very clear message the Courts are sending the Obama Administration about Obama’s “Executive Action” to not deport illegal immigration. From Legal Insurrection:

The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals just issued an opinion (full embed at bottom of post) upholding a lower court preliminary injunction against Obama’s unilateral immigration executive order.

The Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (“DAPA”) program expanded a previous effort, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (“DACA”) by the Obama administration to protect from deportation illegal immigrants who were brought here as minor children, often referred to as “DREAMers.” Under DAPA, parents who were here illegally but whose children were American citizens or lawful permanent residents could also apply for protection from deportation. Obama also expanded the rules for DACA, making even more illegal immigrants eligible to avoid deportation.

DAPA drew a lawsuit very shortly after Obama signed the order last fall. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R), who was at that time serving as the state’s Attorney General, led a twenty-six state coalition that opposed DAPA and they successfully argued for a preliminary injunction to be issued by a Texas federal court to prevent DAPA from being implemented.

The federal government appealed that order to the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans, but their efforts would once again fail, as the Court, in a 2-1 decision, ruled that the injunction should remain in place. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Ahahahaha. Ahem. I mean, this is rather a major setback for this Administration, but a major WIN for the Constitution and the Laws of this country. What a concept, I know.

Finally, today is the 240th Anniversary of the US Marines. As I have noted before, a number of my family and friends have served in the Marine Corps. They have a long, storied history, and our nation is better for having them. To celebrate this auspicious occasion, I give you this new version of the Marine Corps Hymn:

Happy Birthday, Marines!

This is an Open Thread. What’s on your minds today?


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64 Responses to “It’s Debatable, It Isn’t Debatable, And It Is A Celebration *Open Thread*”

  1. helenk3 Says:

    Is it just me, what I see with a lot of this is that these kids are building their own cells? Safe space = do not express an idea or a thought that is different than mine. Keep me from thinking or learning anything new. Cults do that . When I lived in Hemet, I saw the biggest Sciencetolgy building in the country. it was creepy. no windows, looked like a prison, rarely saw any people. Just driving by it was unnerving.
    They certainly will be easy to control and orchestrate when needed

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      These “kids” are in for a big surprise when they leave their Safe Space on campus and enter the real world. Real life is difficult for these precious little snowflakes. They will get chewed up and spit out. Real life doesn’t give participation trophies.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        That’s just it – their demands were ones that were largely immeasurable. How in the WORLD can they expect any one person to make it so that they are NEVER confronted with anything that might upset them?? And what the hell makes them think they can NEVER be offended?!

        At least the President of the University didn’t submit to their demand that he acknowledge he is the Great White Male Oppressor, but for heaven’s sake – our educational system has reared an entire generation of spoiled, whiny, tantrum-throwing toddlers. WOW.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    Republican Debate #4: Do We Have a ‘Final Four’?

    And then there were twelve. Arrivederci, George Pataki, Lindsey Graham and Jim Gilmore (at least for now).

    Only eight front-running candidates are going to be on the main stage according to the rules of the Fox Business presidential debate Tuesday night, and four will participate in the undercard. Nevertheless, no matter how many are on that stage in Milwaukee, I’m almost certain we are already down to a “Final Four.” And it’s pretty obvious who they are: Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. (Sentimentally, I wish there were still hope for Carly, because I like her. But there isn’t. If this were the Oscars, we could give her a special humanitarian award or something.)

    Short of something extraordinary happening — and that’s always possible — it’s hard to envision any of the others, including Jeb Bush (whose desperate SuperPAC is reportedly about to blow $20 million to destroy his ex-mentee Rubio — how pathetic is that?), finding a path to the nomination, even though the conventional wisdom is that it’s “still early.”

    Sadly, and reluctantly, I have to agree with this. Unless something extraordinary happens on the stage in Milwaukee tonight I believe that Simon is right.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Sigh. That was my immediate reaction. I am okay with a couple of them, but I do think Fiorina should be in the mix. I mean, I WANT her to be in the mix. I am so sick of Donald Trump who has just gotten worse, saying horrible things abt his opponents and continuing his, “My ego is sufficient for me to Make America GREAT Again!” Sick of it.

      Hopefully, Fiorina will have a stellar debate performance and silence those jackalopes who keep regurgitating Dem. talking points (that would be Trump – he seems to do that a lot).

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    Jeb Bush denied his campaign’s on life support after his last debate performance. The kitchen staff in Kennebunkport is watching closely. If Jeb’s poll numbers don’t put him in the top tier in next week’s debate, he might have to sit at the card table with the grand-kids on Thanksgiving Day.

  4. helenk3 Says:

    check out the video

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Isn’t that incredible? A COMMUNICATIONS Professor demanding muscle to violate the FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS of the media to cover news. What a great role model she is – NOT.

  5. helenk3 Says:

    why I love Iowa hawk

  6. helenk3 Says:

    this is a must read. the part that is never mentioned

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Excellent, Helen – and yes, now the FOOTBALL team, one that isn’t even very good, is running the school. CRAZINESS…

  7. helenk3 Says:

    a must read something to think about

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Very good piece, Helen. That the one student who engaged in inappropriate behavior had already been EXPELLED is striking. That didn’t stop these poor delicate flowers from stamping their feet anyway and making demands.

      It is now open season on all schools when a group of students can make a bunch of hazy demands and get the schools to capitulate to them lest they be called “racists.”

      I am so sick of this crap…

  8. helenk3 Says:

    remember these words and think about where we are 7 years later

    “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” Obama said.

    opening salvo?

  9. helenk3 Says:

    not all students are happy with the protesters at Missouri

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Glad to know they aren’t all a bunch of thin-skinned babies. It seems that, once again, the MSM was wagging the dog. Now the two highest ranking officials at the school are out of jobs, and nothing was really changed. Idiots.

  10. helenk3 Says:

    wonder of msm will cover this?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Uh, sure – if people turn their backs on the float, then the MSM will go on and on abt how Islamphobic they are. Ahem.

      It is HORRIBLE that CAIR is able to operate with reckless abandon in this country. And to have a FLOAT in the Veterans Day Parade??? Who the HELL gave the okay for that???

  11. helenk3 Says:

    why is this not a surprise?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      It goes right along with the mindset the White House has been pushing all along. They must be SO proud of themselves for all of the acrimony and racial discord they have sown…

  12. helenk3 Says:

    intimidations on colleges going on for years

  13. helenk3 Says:

    take heed

  14. kenoshamarge Says:

  15. helenk3 Says:

    drum roll please

  16. helenk3 Says:

    1930’s safe spaces

  17. helenk3 Says:

    stolen from the crawdad hole.

  18. helenk3 Says:

    sorry sir, I can not respond to that assault and robbery, i am handling a complaint one student told another student she did not like her shirt

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Even a snowflake has more guts than these little whiners.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Wow, no kidding. It is just insanity what these kids think they are entitled to these days. I blame their parents and the current “educational” system for promoting this mindset.

        And Marge, love the tissues!

  19. helenk3 Says:

    missouri president whimps out

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That the one incident didn’t even happen ON CAMPUS is what makes this all the more idiotic…

  20. kenoshamarge Says:

    HAHAHA: Hillary Clinton Laughs Hysterically When Male Audience Member Says He Wants to “Strangle” Carly Fiorina

    Can you even imagine the fauxrage if a man had said that about Clinton at a Fiorina event? Way to be a champion for women there Hillary. A man threatens violence and you find it funny. What a POS!

    I say it again, if not for double standards the Dems would have no standards at all.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      My immediate thought when I saw the headline was, “Wait, is the media jumping on her at every turn asking why she laughed and didn’t defend Carly? Are they insinuating that she might not be a decent candidate because she didn’t stand up for the other woman in the race??”

      Uh yeah, sure. When pigs fly. Or as you said, “if they didn’t have double standards…”

  21. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    And a little bit of truth-telling from former Mizzou student, out gay football player, Michael Sams:

    Just to be clear, the headline is totally tongue-in-cheek.

  22. helenk3 Says:

    off topic because I need a break from brats

    just found the coolest gift for my youngest great grandson. Luke is 3 years old dinosaur plush finger puppets. they have 6 different ones. i am going to buy two of them. have not decided which 2 yet

    for my 7 year old great grandson who is a ham and already earned $100 in radio, a international brotherhood of magicians magic set

    for my 8 year old great grandson who just learned how to play and loves chess a laser khet 2.0 set. it is a game of war with lazers and mirrors and how you move the mirrored pieces and lazers teaches strategy and geometry

    I have a lot of fun finding gifts that I think they would have fun with

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, what fun!! Those sound like some great gifts, Helen. Isn’t it so much fun buying toys for kids?

      I was making a list yesterday my own self. Such a nice respite from all of the craziness…

  23. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Gotta give some props to Kirsten Powers who took it to the Women of The View over their treatment of Carly Fiorina:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Good for her. Sometimes she remembers she’s a woman, not just a liberal and when she does that she’s good.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        LOL, true that. She does have her moments. Generally speaking, I like her a whole lot better than some of the other Dem. pundits. At least Powers has moments when she refuses to walk in lockstep with the Dem. Party.

  24. kenoshamarge Says:

    Debate Preview: Fox vs. CNBC, Jeb vs. Marco, Carson vs. Trump and MSM

    By Guy Benson

  25. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I have to say, I like Kasich less and less with each debate. He seems so condescending and arrogant to me.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      That’s the way he comes across to me too. I’m not sure we learned anything new from last night’s debate – except maybe that FBN knows how to conduct a debate.

      Bush needed a stand out moment and no matter what Rove is trying to peddle, he didn’t have it.

      Trump didn’t embarrass himself but haven’t seen if he “tweeted’ anything idiotic yet.

      I thought Carson hurt himself a little. He’s still a nice man. Still a smart man. Still not up to snuff to be president. We have a not-so-nice man in the White House now who wasn’t and still isn’t up to snuff and it hasn’t worked out so well for the country.

      Just my initial take. I have to rewatch the damn thing because I tend to doze off at the drop of a hat at night. I remember when we thought it was amusing when my dad did that. Not so amusing not that it’s me. Getting old sucks!

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I have a post coming up in just a couple of minutes abt the Debate, just FYI.

        And I agree with much of your assessment, except Trump downright lied abt his meeting with Putin, and his condescending behavior toward Fiorina – AGAIN – was aggravating.

        Carson was pretty quiet all in all last night, and I agree abt Bush. I kept waiting for the man they keep saying he is to speak up and stand up, but yeah, no…

        LOL, I totally understand, Marge!

  26. kenoshamarge Says:

  27. kenoshamarge Says:

    I don’t “Tweet” but I do enjoy reading them sometimes. This response to Piers Morgan is an example of one I really like.

    Some rush off to “tweet” and prove themselves to be twitidiots. Others like Stephen Miller show how quick witted they are.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      LOL – good one!

      I don’t Tweet, either. But yes, sometimes there are some really good, witty comments made. Thanks for this one!

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