No Way To Honor Veterans, And One Veteran’s Honor *Open Thread*


This is the second time I am writing this post. WordPress raptured the one I set up to Publish. So this will be a bit late today.

You have likely heard by now about yet another major abuse by the Veterans Affairs department. And those abuses are many, including the deaths of thousands of veterans waiting for appointments. And despite the claims this week by VA Director, Robert McDonald, wait times have increased 50%, according to legal Insurrection. And those wait times are for both regular doctors and specialists.

And yet, in their infinite “wisdom,” they have decided to award BONUSES to those who have overseen some of the worst abuses recorded by VA hospitals. Rather than being FIRED, which is what SHOULD have happened, they are being rewarded by the VA. From USA Today (via Legal Insurrection):

[…] Among the recipients were claims processors in a Philadelphia benefits office that investigators dubbed the worst in the country last year. They received $300 to $900 each. Managers in Tomah, Wis., got $1,000 to $4,000, even though they oversaw the over-prescription of opiates to veterans – one of whom died.

The VA also rewarded executives who managed construction of a facility in Denver, a disastrous project years overdue and more than $1 billion over budget. They took home $4,000 to $8,000 each. And in St. Cloud, Minn., where an internal investigation report last year outlined mismanagement that led to mass resignations of health care providers, the chief of staff cited by investigators received a performance bonus of almost $4,000.

As one of his final acts last year before resigning, then-VA secretary Eric Shinseki announced he was suspending bonuses in the wake of revelations that VA employees falsified wait lists to meet wait-time targets — ostensibly as part of efforts to secure the extra pay. But he only curtailed them for a sliver of VA executives — those in senior levels of the Veterans Health Administration, which oversees health care.

The agency has continued to pay performance-based bonuses to nearly half of agency employees, including in health administration, according to data provided to USA TODAY by the House Veterans’ Affairs Committee. In all, some 156,000 executives, managers and employees received them for 2014 performance. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

I wish someone could tell me just how it is that executives who have gone ONE BILLION DOLLARS over budget on a project are receiving BONUSES instead of being FIRED?? This is OUR MONEY, and it is going to people who are clearly incompetent in their duties. WHY??

And why in the WORLD are people who treated our veterans so horribly receiving bonuses?? That simply defies any kind of logic, not to mention basic DECENCY. They should have been FIRED, and weren’t, despite the major lie told by VA Director McDonald that 60 people were. McDonald received Four Pinocchios for that from WaPo.

That these people have not received any comeuppance but were REWARDED for their actions is at best incompetence, and at worse, a cavalier disregard for our veterans. It is absolutely unconscionable, immoral, and unethical. I am just livid at the dishonorable manner by which the very people who are charged with caring for our veterans are acting toward those whom they are supposed to serve. Why McDonald still holds this post is mind-boggling. He should be removed, and the VA given a major overhaul from top to bottom until it is able to act in a manner befitting their charge to extend care to those who have served our nation.

And speaking of those who have served our nation, today we will bestow the Medal of Honor upon a (retired) Army Captain, Florent Groberg, who demonstrated courage, sacrifice, and honor beyond measure in a single action when he averted the actions of a suicide bomber, saving innumerable lives in the process. From

[…] “You face a threat, you go towards the threat,” Groberg said. For an instant, the man made eye contact. “He had a blank stare,” Groberg said. “He did a 180 and cut directly toward the patrol. I hit him, then we grabbed him and threw him to the ground. He detonated at our feet.”

The second man also set off his explosive device but the force of the blast mainly went into the stone wall.

Groberg was knocked unconscious. About half of his left calf had been torn away. He also suffered a blown eardrum and a mild traumatic brain injury.

Balderrama, the medic, had also been knocked unconscious and suffered shrapnel wounds to his legs. The force of the blast had thrown him into the culvert.

“The first thing when I woke up in that ditch, I was so thankful. He (Groberg) was calling for me, yelling ‘Doc, Doc save my leg.’ I remember seeing his boots covered in blood, his legs covered in blood,” Balderrama said.


Balderrama managed to get a tourniquet on Groberg’s leg. “I just wanted to get him to the next level of care,” he said.

The suicide bomber had taken a heavy toll. In addition to the wounded, four had been killed — Army Command Sgt. Maj. Kevin J. Griffin, 46; Army Maj. Thomas E. Kennedy, 35; Air Force Maj. Walter D. Gray, 38; and Ragaei Abdelfattah, 43, a Foreign Service officer with the U.S. Agency for International Development.

I cannot imagine the kind of situations our brave military run into while in theater anyway. But it is hard to imagine the kind bravery and courage it took to do what Groberg did. That is an honorable man, both for his actions that day, and for what he said about it in terms of the Medal of Honor:

[…] Groberg never stops thinking back on it. “We all fought those demons of ‘why me.’ Why not me? And in the end, you know, it’s combat,” he said. “All we can do now is honor those guys and their families. And make sure that we are better people, that we live our lives for them. And every day when we wake up, we remember. And when it gets tough, we remember.”

“They made the ultimate sacrifice,” he said of the four who were killed. “We’re here to tell you this. I’m so blessed and honored for the medal, but it doesn’t belong to me, it belongs to them.” (Click here to read the rest.)

THAT is an honorable man, and our nation is all the richer for having brave soldiers like him serving our nation. Director McDonald could learn a whole lot from him, if you ask me. The entire VA could.

That’s it for me today. What’s on your minds? This is an Open Thread.


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38 Responses to “No Way To Honor Veterans, And One Veteran’s Honor *Open Thread*”

  1. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Alan Dershowitz blasts “Doctors Without Borders.” What they did is unbelievable, no, INTOLERABLE:

  2. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I just saw that Captain Groberg will be “On The Record” tonight, so you may want to tune into Greta’s show to see him speak abt his experience.

  3. foxyladi14 Says:

    It is sad when illegal criminals get treated better then our Veterans. 👿

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yes it is, Foxy. It is really astonishing. You may have heard the reports of Rob O’Neill, the man who shot bin Laden, saying he was on hold for over TWO HRS recently, and when he went to the VA hospital, it looked like a homeless shelter.

      And where are all the protests and marches abt this, to prove your point abt illegal aliens and all the support THEY get? Yeah, there is a major problem with our priorities in this country.

  4. foxyladi14 Says:

    On a lighter note. 😆

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    This may seem like a “radical” proposal but why award ANY bonuses to ANY employee of the VA, from the top to the bottom until they get their house in order?

    Radical? Or maybe just common sense. If the latter it hasn’t chance in hell.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Sadly, that IS considered “radical” these days, Marge. Of COURSE no one should get one thin dime more while all of this mess is still going on. In the private sector, they would have been fired LONG ago. But in the VA and Gov’t? Nope. They get rewarded for their incompetence and betrayal of our vets. It is appalling.

  6. helenk3 Says:

    a different look at the 1st amendment

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    After Yale, Mizzou, raise the voting age — to 25

    In 1971, the United States ratified the 26th Amendment, lowering the voting age from 21 to 18. In retrospect, that may have been a mistake.

    The idea, in those Vietnam War years, was that 18-year-olds, being old enough to be drafted, to marry and to serve on juries, deserved a vote. It seemed plausible at the time, and I myself have argued that we should set the drinking age at 18 for the same reasons.

    But now I’m starting to reconsider. To be a voter, one must be able to participate in adult political discussions. It’s necessary to be able to listen to opposing arguments and even — as I’m doing right here in this column — to change your mind in response to new evidence.

    Call me crazy but back in those days I didn’t think you should raise the drinking age or the voting age. I thought you should raise the age you could draft these children. As a mother of two boys I can attest that an 18 year old boy is NOT a man. He may think he is and he may want to be but even his physical growing is not complete. Having sex doesn’t make a man no matter what the 18 year old make may think. Billy goats have sex.

    No 18 year old should be sent off to war unless there is a politician that sent him/her marching at their side.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I think this is a great idea. We know the decision making part of the brain isn’t fully formed until the early twenties anyway. And it is clear that these particular young people are gullible as hell, immature, and incapable of thinking for themselves. They are children.

      A case in point are the grad students who were angry abt their their health ins. being cut off as they discussed on The Five yesterday. Wanna guess WHY it was cut off? That’s right – Obamacare. I bet you most of the people who were angry abt this VOTED for Obama, but rather than blame him, the Dems, or THEMSELVES, they blamed the University. Just ridiculous.

  8. helenk3 Says:

    why is this not a surprise?

    stolen from the crawdad hole

  9. helenk3 Says:

  10. helenk3 Says:

    this is the saddest but most true cartoon i have seen in a while

  11. kenoshamarge Says:

    More Fallout at University of Missouri: Student Files Assault Complaint v. Faculty

    Who doesn’t love watching the Left crack up?


    Mizzou Protesters Now Segregating Their Members By Race

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Could you BELIEVE the one abt segregation?!?! OHMYGOSH – we fought for years to END segregation, and now they want to bring it back? WTH?!?!?! Good grief.

      And yeah – talk abt karma – these professors are getting back the crap they have shoveled out for years now, so it kinda serves them right, doesn’t it?

  12. kenoshamarge Says:

  13. helenk3 Says:

    thought you would like this

    Photo: Carolina Panthers’ Josh Norman says he plans to auction cleats (pictured) that NFL fined him for over printed words ‘proud’ and ‘brave’ on shoes’ top edge; money to go to North and South Carolina troops – @josephperson
    See original on

  14. helenk3 Says:

    just smh

  15. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Dangit, these women on The View are messing with me. Now they are going after HILLARY and defending CARLY:

  16. helenk3 Says:


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Without a doubt he is. I think the MSM’s plan to tarnish him early on has backfired. He has also come out very well in the last two debates. Very smart man, that Cruz…

  17. helenk3 Says:

    Isn’t the white house public housing?

  18. helenk3 Says:

    good cartoon

  19. helenk3 Says:

    mob rule demands in higher education

  20. helenk3 Says:

    Well that is one way to get a promotion. Anybody else higher on t he totem pole then him watch your back

  21. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Well, dang – I have already walked by a black cat, two in fact, so there goes that! Ahahaha…

  22. kenoshamarge Says:

    I have said many times that I think cartoonist A.F. Branco is a genius. But I do think he outdid himself this time.

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