In The Wake Of Another Attack, Democrats Turn Their Ire On The Faithful *Open Thread*

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What happened in San Bernardino, CA, yesterday was a heinous act carried out, presumably, by radical Islamic terrorists. I say that not just because they were armed to the teeth, and wearing body armor, but because their house was an “IED Factory,” with pipe bombs, remote controlled cars with bombs, and more. That is the home of terrorists, if you ask me. I don’t see how else it can be construed.

In any event, these Muslim killers left 14 dead, and 17 injured, many critically. It is a horrible event, and one Democrats, beginning with President Obama, IMMEDIATELY used for political gain. Again. The bodies were literally not even cold yet before Obama started on his gun control rant. How unbelievably offensive that the President of the Untied States continues to use these attacks and tragedies to push his political narrative. It is appalling.

As is the response of Democratic US Senator, Chris Murphy, of CT. When I saw this headline at The Hill this morning, I was stunned: “Dem Senator Criticizes Post-Shooting ‘Prayers’.” Are you KIDDING me with this?? Sadly, the answer is no. From The Hill:

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) says people who pray for the victims of shootings should be asking for forgiveness for their inaction.

Murphy made the comments in a post on Twitter after reports of a mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., where authorities say at least 14 people were killed by as many as three gunmen.

Several GOP primary contenders quickly expressed their condolences for the victims and said they were praying for their families.

“Your ‘thoughts’ should be about steps to take to stop this carnage. Your ‘prayers’ should be for forgiveness if you do nothing – again,” Murphy tweeted on Wednesday evening.

Murphy drew criticism from users on Twitter who said his remarks were “offensive” and demeaning toward religious people. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

First of all, Sen. Murphy, prayer IS action. It is an active endeavor, and one REQUESTED by those caught up in the shooting, I might add. To attack people of faith for turning to prayer at such a terrible time, and to sanctimoniously proclaim to them they are doing nothing, apparently defined by this Senator as not doing what HE wants people to do, with so little information, is astonishing all on its own. To make this about gun control at that time rather than working to bring people together speaks volumes about Murphy AND Obama, none of it good.

After seeing that article and having my blood pressure shoot up, I read this excellent piece by Mollie Hemingway from The Federalist. I cannot reprint the entire thing here, and I strongly encourage you to read it in its entirety, but here are some highlights from Hemingway’s piece:

[…] Progressive and liberal politicians called for gun control. And other politicians prayed for the victims and their families while waiting for more information.

That’s when things got super weird. For some reason, much of the media began mocking the efficacy of prayer. This was happening while victims of the shooting were actually asking people to pray. I mean, the critiques were everywhere. An editor at ThinkProgress said, and I quote, “Stop thinking. Stop praying.” There’s a bumper sticker for you!

Here’s how The Huffington Post put it:

HuffPo Prayer

Stunning. “Public officials are the people society trusts to solve society’s ills?” Their “useless” thoughts and prayers?

How very telling are these comments? And they got worse, especially the NY Daily News headline attacking REPUBLICANS for PRAYING instead of the people doing the killing:

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Holy smokes, what the hell is WRONG with these people? They are attacking people of faith who turn to prayer at these difficult times, berating and denigrating them. Meanwhile, these same people,”journalists,” fail to highlight the difference between turning to prayer and turning to guns, IEDS, and terror. But yeah – the GOP is the problem here. Right.

Back to Hemingway’s piece:

[…] Now, many gun control advocates said they weren’t disparaging prayer — however much that was exactly what was going on — so much as calling for other action. It’s good to remember that prayer is action. But whether your God is God or the FBI (or whatever agency you hope will seize up to 300 million guns in the country), it’s also true that there is no conflict between praying to God, who, as the Founders put it, creates us and endows us with certain inalienable rights, and other action. That could be working within a community to change people’s hearts and minds from violent ideology. It could be working with your neighbors to help them avoid choices that lead to dangerous social isolation. It could be teaching Sunday School or otherwise inculcating children in the faith. It could be managing your family well. It could be gun control or efforts to help families with adult members with mental illness. It could really be any number of things.

What’s wise is to understand that there are many options for working to improve society. If, like so many journalists, your particular religious denomination is the one that’s fundamentalist on gun control, fine. But understand that not everyone is part of your religious sect or shares your assumptions.

The bizarre outpouring from journalists of anti-Christian sentiment yesterday was not becoming. And some of it was downright alarming. But consider that many journalists didn’t really understand what they were doing. They are bad at understanding the religious practices of much of the country, of course. But they’re not particularly good at understanding their own theodicy and its attendant rites and rituals either. (Click here to read the rest.)

No, they most definitely are not at understanding their own theodicy, something Hemingway goes into detail about in this piece. And they also seem blind as bats to their hypocrisy, arrogance, patronizing, and intolerance, too.

Before I close this, I want to highlight another frequent target of many lefty journalists these days. That would be the Police. Their quick action is worthy of accolades all on its own, but I think this video embodies what it means to be a police officer, and what these brave men and women do for us every single day. Hat Tip to BizPacReview:

Exactly right – that is what police officers do. And they deserve our support and appreciation, not anger and hatred.

There is no other way to close this out except this: my prayers are with the families who lost their loved ones during this terrorist attack, and to those who were injured. I pray that their wounds will heal quickly, physical, emotional, and spiritual. I pray, and am thankful, for the First Responders who got there so quickly, and were able to take out the terrorists without any others being lost. And I pray for this Nation that we will have leaders who seek to lead us, not divide us.

This is an Open Thread.

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57 Responses to “In The Wake Of Another Attack, Democrats Turn Their Ire On The Faithful *Open Thread*”

  1. helenk3 Says:

    http://soopermexican.com/2015/12/03/political-correctness-kills-neighbor-suspicious-didnt-report-for-fear-of-being-called-racist/

    POLITICAL CORRECTNESS KILLS.

    neighbor was going to report suspicious activity to police. Had 2nd thoughts. did not want to be accused of racial profiling

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    There have been many low points from the left. But an attack on prayer is beyond belief. They are allowed to say it because we have a Constitution that allow free speech no matter how repulsive. Decent people wouldn’t even have thought to say it.

    And for a United States Senator to disparage prayer shows us how low the Democrats are willing to go in pursuit of their false narrative.

    California has some of, if not the most restrictive gun control laws in the country. What it caused was an unarmed population facing armed terrorists. Had just one person in the facility had a concealed carry license and had the expertise to use their weapon – maybe the body count would have been less. Maybe some families wouldn’t have to face the Holiday Season and the rest of their lives without a loved one.

    Spouting ideology on the bodies of the dead is beyond contemptible. It is beyond understanding.

    And if the good citizens of Connecticut return Senator Chris Murphy to office the next time he comes up for election they will show their contempt for prayer and the people who pray. He is unworthy to hold any office in this country.

    • mcnorman Says:

      Shouldn’t they be pissed about this creep being “very religious?” If they are going to go batsh*t crazed over religion, then should it not apply to all?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I could not agree more, Marge. That the Left disparages prayer of people they perceive as their POLITICAL opponents while chastising ANYONE who dare acknowledge that there are radical Muslims who want to wage jihad is just more hypocrisy of the Left.

      No kidding abt the citizens of CT, Marge.

      This kind of rhetoric is so divisive, and just downright unseemly, to come from a sitting US Senator…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        No wonder so many Dems have such contempt for the laws of this country and the Constitution. They obviously don’t believe in the bible they swear their oath of office on.

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    Another bit of Branco brilliance:

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

    Two reasons why CNN isn’t fit to watch

    CNN’s Houck starts the ball rolling by speculating that “Right-wing Group” were the killers in San Bernardino.

    CNN Guest: Office Holiday Party ‘May Have Been Offensive’ to Gunman.

    Understand folks, first we can’t call a “Christmas Party” what it is and must PC it down to “Holiday Party” and even then it might be OFFENSIVE to some murderous Muslim.

    When will the American people take their country back from these progressive cockroaches.

    • mcnorman Says:

      I heard someone state that until the Muslims that are not radical stand up to these creatures from Hell, nothing will ensue. The left must see them own it before they can be disavowed for the stupidity that they stand for. I agree. If the majority of Muslim faithful are not with the radicals then they MUST stand against them. To sit back tacitly is to imply that they stand with them, hence the left will also. As for the American public, they need to practice that old saying that I was raised with…take care of business or someone else will do it for you and you might not like how it ends up.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      You ain’t only kidding. If someone is so fragile that they cannot possibly endure expressions of another faith without killing people, there is something seriously, seriously wrong not just with them, but those who would make excuses for them.

      I still do not understand how CAIR has so much power in this country, and why they were allowed air time last night. They are closely affiliated to terrorist organizations and are, as far as I am concerned, part of this very dangerous problem.

      No doubt moderate Muslims need to speak up already…

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    Terror Strikes San Bernardino County

    And how we must protect ourselves.

    By Daniel Greenfield

    When the Redlands Tea Party Patriots objected to the resettling of Syrian Muslim migrants in their community, CAIR accused them of “paranoia and phobia is rooted in a combination of ignorance and bigotry.”

    But “paranoia and phobia” are the modern condition that the free world has found itself living in. Islamic terrorism can strike anytime and anywhere from a Paris concert hall to a San Bernardino County facility where disabled children were being helped. It’s ignorance to ignore that and bigotry to defend it.

    “What will be done to ensure the safety of our community? Our biggest concern is the safety of our family, our children and our grandchildren,” Victoria Hargrave of Redlands Townhall had asked.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260998/terror-strikes-san-bernardino-county-daniel-greenfield

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Excellent piece from Greenfield. Thank you!

    • mcnorman Says:

      One of the things that I have emailed friends about was precisely how insulated the rest of the country has been from these cretins. They pass through the southern border with ease and comfort. They learn to assimilate patterns. Once shaved, they also learn the languages in order to permeate any cultural barriers. At that point, they move on. Now, we have home grown cretins. This one married a foreigner and immersed himself in the cesspool. What will the Syrian refugees bring now that teh won has opened the doors wide?

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    Neighbor Didn’t Report Suspicious Activity of San Bernardino Killers For Fear of Being Called Racist

    According to a local Los Angeles news report, a neighbor of San Bernardino massacre suspects Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik didn’t report suspicious activity at their apartment for fear of being accused of racism.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/12/03/neighbor-didnt-report-suspicious-activity-of-san-bernardino-killers-for-fear-of-being-called-racist-n2088543

  8. foxyladi14 Says:

    A lot of Muslim’s hate us and would do harm to us.
    Yet they keep letting them in.
    I call that Stupid or ignorant
    Maybe both. 😡

  9. helenk3 Says:

    stolen from the crawdad hole

    a very true statement

    • mcnorman Says:

      Yeah, the JV team has just shown them…right? IED manufacturing factory inside their home. The woman was a “pharmacist.” Puleeze, someone take teh won’s head out of his arse. I am not a snoop, but if I had new neighbors coming and going at all hours with lots and lots of packages…I would have said something. I actually did at my mom’s house. The dealers moved on when they knew someone was watching their stash house.

      n addition to the explosives found at the SUV, authorities discovered and detonated three pipe bombs late Wednesday at the Inland Regional Center, the complex where the initial shooting took place about 60 miles east of Los Angeles. Another source said investigators discovered multiple pipe bombs in the house, as well as small explosives strapped to remote-controlled cars – a signature of terrorist groups including Al Qaeda, according to counter-terrorism experts.

      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/03/2-suspects-killed-shootout-san-bernardino-massacre-14-killed/?intcmp=hpbt1

      • mcnorman Says:

        I was astonished at how quickly that CAIR gang held a press conference to do damage control. Those bastages knew.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Outstanding, Helen – thanks for that. That sums it up very well.

        And mcnorman, yeah, there is SO much to this that screams terrorism that it isn’t even funny. That people have been cowed into not speaking up because of political correctness is damage to this nation I hope, and PRAY, we can overcome…

  10. kenoshamarge Says:

    Seems George Will thinks your state and one of your Senators is of “Primary” importance Rev. Love that “halfback”

    The most important state in the 2016 primary

    By George Will

    Sen. Tim Scott, who evidently has not received the memo explaining that politics is a grim and bitter business, laughs easily and often, as when, during lunch in this city’s humming downtown, he explains that South Carolina’s Lowcountry is benefiting from what are called “halfbacks.” These are migrants who moved from Northern states to Florida in search of warmth but, finding high prices and congestion, then moved halfway back, settling in South Carolina. Doing so, they have located in the state where, Scott believes and history suggests, the 2016 Republican presidential nomination will begin to come to closure.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/south-carolinas-predictive-power/2015/12/02/c505da28-9867-11e5-b499-76cbec161973_story.html

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I love Sen. Scott. He is truly one of the “good guys,” and he does have a light abt him. He invites his constituents to drop by if they are in DC on Wednesdays for sweet tea and conversation. That’s the kind of guy he is!

      LOL abt the “halfbacks” – that is funny! And SC is doing very well, with projections to do even better next year. 🙂

  11. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    They are just reporting that there are 21 wounded in total.

    They also reported that there was a bomb – 3 pipe bombs combined – at the initial scene, but the remote control detonator car didn’t work. Thank heavens for THAT.

    There were 12 pipe bombs at the house, and a TON of ammunition.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      The SBPD Chief just said it is highly unlikely that this was “workplace violence” considering the levels of ammunition, bomb making equipment, bombs, and all of that these people had. Not just something they could throw together on a whim, is what he seems to be saying…

      • mcnorman Says:

        Yeah, I think back about how much ammunition costs. This was not workplace violence. It was planned. Somewhere I read that his wife was a pharmacist by trade. Confirmed, she was also the one shooting through that back window. He was the driver. She seems to have been the driving force imho. Married in February, and then they show up with a 6 mo old baby doesn’t sound right either. If they were strict practitioners of the extremism, the timing of that baby sounds mighty wrong. Zero said that families are in need of refuge. Was this setup so that they could fly under the radar easier?

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          No kidding, huh?? That is a lot of money. I think I heard this right that the handguns had permits, but not the rifles. That means they got them from SOMEWHERE, perhaps one of those men coming in and out of the garage with “packages.”

          Yeah, something is hinky abt this couple – besides that they were apparently terrorists. I gathered that they are definitely looking into the woman and seeing what her deal was…

          Good question abt flying under the radar – seems likely to me!

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      They sure were prepared for a whole lot of “workplace violence” weren’t they? I think this may be the tipping point for their malarkey. Even the faithful may not be willing to follow a bunch that doesn’t keep them safe.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        One would sure hope so, Marge, but I tell you, my sister’s first remark abt all of this was in terms of guns. The Dems seem determined on this no matter HOW wrong they often are on it (and so far, it has been pretty often). In fact, Obama’s Spokesweasel said today in response to Peter Doocy’s question on gun control stopping terrorism that Obama thinks it would. WOW. That is just idiotic. As if terrorists give a DAMN abt our laws.

        At least the FBI guy was very clear, too, that this was NOT “workplace violence,” so at some point, Obama needs to stop it with that. But I doubt he will…

  12. mcnorman Says:

    I’m amazed…prayer for those who have been dealt a blow like this is unPC. SICK. Prayer is comfort for those affected which means all of us. How dare the left try to shutout prayer! We are helpless to intercede, it is the ONLY thing that we can offer in support of such heartbreak.

    Guns are not the problem. In medicine, you don’t just treat the symptoms but you address the disease. When will this poser state the label of the disease, radical Islam? The day that the moderate practitioners of this faith stand up en masse against the savagery of radicalism will be the day that these creeps have to answer for their deeds in the name by which they profess to work for. I am not hearing much from the majority of moderate Muslims and that troubles me greatly.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Well said, mcnorman. It is ridiculous to blame the guns and not the BEHAVIOR that caused the use of the guns. It makes no sense, that’s for sure.

      And yes, to attack PRAYER is a very, very sad commentary on where we are now in this country, not to mention that the media feels completely justified in making such assholic comments abt prayer in public. It is insanity.

      • justine Says:

        Blaming prayer is akin to blaming God, which is flawed.
        .

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          It really is astonishing, isn’t it? The Left attacks Christians, and makes apologies/excuses for the behavior of jihadis. It is truly mind-boggling…

  13. kenoshamarge Says:

    According to Jake Tapper:

    Farook was in touch with more than one terrorism subject whom the FBI were already investigating, law enforcement sources tell CNN

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Wait, what?? And yet this guy wasn’t on their radar?? How can that be? How many more of these terrorists have they missed? We know they looked into Hasan and the Tsarnaev Brothers, but shrugged their collective shoulders apparently (I think there was another one, too, but he escapes me right this minute).

      I keep hearing how the FBI is THE best intelligence agency in the world, but they have failed a number of times now, and we are paying for that failure in the lives of citizens. That is unacceptable, to put it MILDLY.

      • mcnorman Says:

        I have been told that agencies do not share their work. I can believe it seeing how so often these minor details pop up after the fact.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Catherine Herridge just reported that the FBI had closed their investigation into the terrorist in question, so the San Bernardino one fell through the cracks. Kinda makes you wonder why the investigation was ended…

          • mcnorman Says:

            Well, we know how hard the WH pushes to make sure that we don’t persecute anyone unjustly. My feeling on this…I have nothing to hide. They will be bored as all heck but they won’t find an IED lab in my house, just a bunch of discarded rescues.

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          Same behavior as before 9/11 isn’t it?

  14. kenoshamarge Says:

    New Hampshire Voter Asks Hillary Whether Bill Clinton’s Alleged Victims Should Be Believed

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/new-hampshire-voter-asks-hillary-whether-bill-clintons-alleged-victims-should-be-believed/

    $850,000.00 is a lot of money for lack of evidence IMO.

  15. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Because TERRORISTS care so much abt the rule of law, Pelosi. And like CA doesn’t already HAVE strict gun control laws. Good grief: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/262034-pelosi-no-right-to-moments-of-silence-without-action-on-gun-violence

  16. mcnorman Says:

    This caught my eye today…the family response via their attorney.

    To illustrate his point, Chesley made a bizarre reference to the Sandy Hook massacre, suggesting it didn’t take place as described in the official narrative.

    ‘There have been suggestions that it may be something that was related to their work, that somehow he was a disgruntled employee,’ he said.

    ‘But it doesn’t seem plausible to us that this petite woman [Malik[ would be involved in this sort of hyper-caricatured, Bonnie and Clyde crazy scenario.

    ‘There were a lot of questions drawn with Sandy Hook and whether or not that was a real incident or not.

    ‘But I mean obviously these things were found there, how they got there we don’t know.’

    The Sandy Hook shootings occurred in December 2012, when gunman Adam Lanza, 20, shot his way into the front entrance of the school in Newtown, Connecticut, which was locked at the time, and killed 20 children and six teachers, then shot himself to death. When Chesley was asked if he doubted the events of Sandy Hook, he said: ‘There has been a lot speculation about it is all I would say.

    I still ask myself how anyone can stand for these people? Well, they always say that there are too many attorneys willing to do anything for a buck.

    • mcnorman Says:

      Let me clarify about “these people.” I worked in psych for several years. Someone in the family ALWAYS knew something was going on. They didn’t act on their intuition because it was deemed meddling, time consuming, etc. Someone always knows that their is a kink in the chain.

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