Another Tuesday, Another GOP Debate (and More) *Open Thread*


Okay, not really, but it does sort of feel like there have been a lot already. Perhaps because this is the fifth one this season, and the last one of the year. But hey – they Primaries start off on February 1st, 2016, so I reckon it makes some sense.

Donald Trump continues (inexplicably) to be the Frontrunner, helped, no doubt, by a willing media which talks about him more than any other candidates combined by TWENTY-FIVE TIMES. So, how could he NOT be?? No one else can get any air time, and what little they do simply does not compare.

But what continues to get up my ire is the claim that he “talks tough” about his opponents, a montage of which I saw Tuesday morning on Fox. No, he doesn’t “talk tough” about them, he INSULTS them. There is a HUGE difference between the two, and it is astonishing that the media is conflating these two very different modes. It is mind boggling to see the re-definition of language when it comes to Trump (not unlike what the media has done for Obama).

And Trump most definitely starts it first, as he has just done with Sen. Ted Cruz by calling him a “maniac.” About that, William A. Jocabson ofLegal Insurrection made this observation:

I noted the other night that Donald Trump may have opened the “Overton Window” for Ted Cruz, by making Cruz acceptable to both Republican establishment types and general election voters who otherwise would have considered him Cruz conservative.

I noted the fear of a liberal who wrote:

Donald Trump looks like the warm-up act. Whoever follows him from the Republican party looks reasonable (and sane) by comparison.

How will the mainstream media react if Cruz’s current poll surge holds and he looks like a viable challenger to Trump? We know the answer, because there’s a history here, one I documented back in August 2013. And ironically, it’s a theme Trump appears to be taking up in a recent attack on Cruz.

I called it the crazying of Ted Cruz, focusing on a Daily Beast article trying to portray Cruz as “creepy”…

Uh, yeah. Jacobson noted back in 2012 that the media did this to Sen. Marco Rubio, too. In the article quoted above about Trump taking a page from the Liberals’ playbook, though, he goes on at some length with evidence of how the media is working overtime to frame Cruz as a whackadoodle. It is truly astonishing when you look at the examples in one place, and highlights the machinations of both the liberal media and Trump. As I have noted before, I don’t think they are all that different if you consider Trump’s previous, and even some current, positions. But that’s just me.

And it is typical since Cruz is now leading in Iowa. About that, Gretchen Carlson says this:

She makes some good points, and it will be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

As for tonight’s debate on CNN, there will be a bunch of candidates up on that state, 9 in total. The main debate begins at 8:30 pm (EST), with the undercard debate beginning at 6:00 pm (EST). In light of the recent terror attack in California, and the STARTLING revelations about how poorly the DHS investigates Muslims entering the nation lest they hurt their feelings (more below), National Security will surely be a big issue in tonight’s debate.

Just to be clear about the DHS policy, it was a secret one, according to this Fox article:

A secret U.S. policy that prohibits immigration officials from reviewing the social media messages of foreign citizens applying for U.S. visas was reportedly kept in place over fears of a civil liberties backlash and “bad public relations.”

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson refused in early 2014 to end the policy, even though several other officials in the organization pressed for such a policy change, ABC News reported Monday.

John Cohen, a former acting under-secretary at the Department of Homeland Security and currently a national security consultant for ABC News, said he pushed for a change in 2014 that would allow a review of social media messages posted publically (sic) as terror group followers increasingly turned to Twitter and Facebook.

“Immigration, security, law enforcement officials recognized at the time that it was important to more extensively review public social media postings because they offered potential insights into whether somebody was an extremist or potentially connected to a terrorist organization or a supporter of the movement,” Cohen, who left DHS in June 2014, told ABC News.

Cohen’s account comes as members of Congress question why U.S. officials failed to review the social media posts of San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Stunning. Absolutely stunning.

All of that is to say, this debate should have a heavy emphasis on National Security and Terrorism, topics that fall in some candidates wheelhouses more than others. Two in particular stand out: Sen. Marco Rubio, who is on the Foreign Relations Committee, and Carly Fiorina, who worked on the CIA Advisory Board, worked with the NSA, and the Pentagon.

The other 274 – joking – 7 on the main stage and 4 on the Undercard stage, will have to work to prove they have the chops to protect this nation. I should add, that they will enact or support policies that are realistic and which address the root issues. Just to be clear. Not just any ol’ “pie in the sky” idea that has a snowball’s chance in hell of working or ever getting passed.

It should be an interesting debate, that’s for sure. If you plan on watching it, I would love to know what you think.

One last thing, and this is a doozy: As you likely have heard now, Bowe Bergdahl, the (US Army Sgt.) deserter for whom Obama traded five very top ranking terrorists, will now face a Court Martial. I cannot begin to tel you how big this is, ESPECIALLY in terms of President Obama. We will have to wait a while longer to see how this plays out, but it will be “must see/read,” no doubt about it.

Okay, that’s it for me. What are you hoping to learn about the candidates tonight (if you plan to watch)? Feel free to discuss the Debate or anything else that’s on your minds today. This is an Open Thread.


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20 Responses to “Another Tuesday, Another GOP Debate (and More) *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    With the anticipation of a “cage” match between Trump and Cruz CNN is giddy with ratings anticipation to the extent they are offering free live streaming.

    I am almost inclined to watch but then the sight and sound of Trump makes me as nauseous as the sight and sound of Obama so I’ll probably wait for the after shocks and snippets.

    Trumps lashing out at Cruz may not bother his mindless supporters but both Rush and Lavin are not happy about it.

    We’ve all seen how nasty Trump gets when someone else rises in the polls. Attacking media is one thing, attacking a conservative Republican who has for the most part stayed above the fray is not a smart move.

    Cruz has been smart to stay out of the mud but if attacked he will have to fight back or look like a wuss.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      AHAHAHAHA – love that! It is hilarious!

      I hear you. I am so sick of Trump, hearing him over and over again, I could scream. I have been changing the channel quite often while watching the news I am so sick of him. So, I totally get not wanting to watch as a result. Blech.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    Trump attack on Cruz straight from “crazy” liberal media playbook

    How will the mainstream media react if Cruz’s current poll surge holds and he looks like a viable challenger to Trump? We know the answer, because there’s a history here, one I documented back in August 2013. And ironically, it’s a theme Trump appears to be taking up in a recent attack on Cruz.

    I called it the crazying of Ted Cruz, focusing on a Daily Beast article trying to portray Cruz as “creepy”:

    A lifetime of achievement that would normally be heralded by liberals if achieved by a liberal Hispanic, devolves into creepiness on the slimmest of pretexts.

    This is all part of the crazying of Ted Cruz by liberal publications like the Daily Beast. It doesn’t matter what the substance is, they just want to associate the word “creepy” with Ted Cruz in the minds of the public, many of whom don’t read past the headline.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Jacobson really nails it with this post.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        He usually does. I love his posts – he is thoughtful and factual. Bomb throwers are fun but thoughtful writers like Jacobson have a longer lasting effect. At least with me.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I agree completely. That is why I like people like him, Goldberg, and a few others who are thoughtful, intelligent, and humorous, like Goldberg is.

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    State Department Sued for Withholding Refugee Records

    State Department is being sued in a district court for allegedly withholding scores of documents and inter-agency communications detailing refugee resettlement efforts since 2014, according to an announcement of the suit on Monday.

    Judicial Watch, a legal organization pushing for government transparency, announced the legal action on Monday, stating that the suit is part of a larger investigation into the Obama administration’s Refugee Resettlement Program, which is expected to resettle some 10,000 Syrian refugees in the United States over the next year. State Department Sued for Withholding Refugee Records

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thank heavens for Judicial Watch! Without them, there is SO much we would not know, especially with Hillary’s emails and the IRS (not that either one seems to bother her supporters and Dems in general, but WE care). Should be MIGHTY interesting to see what comes out from this…

  4. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    This totally cracked me up. Now y’all know I am a HUGE animal lover, with 4 cats, 1 dog, and 1 horse. I would have more of all of them, if I could. Still, this was funny as hell:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      That is wonderful! I love it when the candidates show us their sense of humor. She was terrific!

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Wasn’t she? Cracked me up when she bit into a Milk alone, too. She is able to not take herself too seriously, and is funny to boot. Bonus!

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    Mark Levin unloads on RINOs, Trump and Leftists in general

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Wow, that is quite something that Levin said that abt Trump. He has seemed to be in Trump’sorner for a while. So good for him for calling him out on this. Maybe it will make him start looking at other of Trump’s claims…

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    Did you watch the debate? If so, what did you think? I watched bits and pieces.

    I didn’t think there were any clear winners. Trump managed to muzzle his big mouth and Cruz and Rubio sort of equaled each other out. I think that’s your top 3 and unless something drastic happens I don’t think it will change. (But hey, this is politics and something drastic can happen any moment.)

    I was profoundly disappointed in Fiorina. What the hell does she want to do, start a war with Russia? Ditto Rubio. Not disappointed because since his playing patty cake with the gang of 8 I haven’t trusted him. But like Fiorina he seems to want to start a war with Russia. That’s, IMO, nuts.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I only saw bits and pieces, too. I missed that with Fiorina, though. And sadly, Trump is still in the top, mainly because he coasts through these debates, just tossing out little snide comments whenever anyone gets too close. It amazes me that he has people so terrified of calling him out because he will call them names. Show him for the bully he is, and keep hammering that home. But, no…

      Cruz and Rubio would get my vote. Trump? No.

      Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    Then there’s the Dems…

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      ROTFLMAO, that is so good!

      Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Btw,after I wrote my response abt Trump, I saw a great piece in The Federalist abt military strategy and Trump. If I can grab the link on the iPad, I will attach it.

      Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

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