Post-Debate Discussion And More *Open Thread*

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By the time this post comes up, I will be flying the (not-so) friendly skies down to Grand Cayman for ten glorious days.

That said, I have little doubt there will be much to discuss after the debate, considering both the network on which it was aired (CNN), and the personalities involved on the stage. Hard to believe there are still so many people in the race, including some folks like Pataki, or Graham, or Santorum, three of the four in the “Happy Hour” debate. Many are still trying to get some momentum, as this funny Townhall cartoon highlights:

Bush

Uh, yeah. Still not really happening there, JEB! Kind of surprising that Jeb! is still having such a hard time gaining traction considering the money and influence he has behind him, but that is indeed the case. At least thus far.

So, who stood out for you during the debate? Who helped themselves, and who hurt themselves? How about the moderators? How did they do?

I will be thinking of you all Wednesday night while Suzy and I enjoy the company of our dear friends in Grand Cayman over a dinner of homemade jerk chicken and all the fixings (which includes rice made with coconut milk and beans, and cornbread, which they make sweet, adding in cinnamon). Oh, and I guess I don’t have to tell you that the weather is nice – highs of around 84 each day and lows around 77 – 78 each night. Hey, don’t be a hater all you folks living in the frozen tundra areas of the US! Teehee…

Anyway, feel free to discuss the debate or anything else that is on your minds. This is an Open Thread, and will be up until the weekend post comes along. Have a good rest of the week, folks!

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64 Responses to “Post-Debate Discussion And More *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Have a great time you guys! I don’t feel in the hating mood since its still unseasonably warm around these parts. It’s raining off and on and about 41 degrees. Dreary but you don’t have to shovel rain. 😉

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      LOL, glad to hear it is just rain, Marge! We are here safe and sound, sitting out on the balcony enjoying the lovely breezes, and looking out at the beautiful water. The dive boats are all in for the night, so I get to look at them, too. Beautiful…

      Thanks for the good wishes, I appreciate it!

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  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    About the debate: In spite of CNN’s best efforts there was no free for all on the stage last night. Disagreements? You bet. But civil and low energy.

    Speaking of low-energy, how can Bush continue? He’s spent more than anyone else and he still can’t gain any momentum. And much as I hate to say it, cause I loathe Trump, Trump always manages to make JEB! look like a twit.

    Post-Debate Impression: Trump has mastered the art of making Jeb seem small

    The CNN Debate just ended, and I have only one clear impression — Donald Trump has so completely emasculated Jeb Bush that this may be Jeb’s last hurrah.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/12/post-debate-impression-trump-has-mastered-the-art-of-making-jeb-seem-small/

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I don’t know how much longer Jeb can go on. I am sure he keeps looking at Trump, who insults people regularly and makes crap up all the time, wondering how in the HELL he continues to do so well. Many pundits understand that a lot of us are still shopping, but those Trump people support him no matter what, and keep his numbers high.

      Anyway, thanks for the link!

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  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    The following is a really long article. I think I’ve read shorter books. But I found it worth the read. If you can wade through it tell me what you think. Please.

    Military Strategist Explains Why Donald Trump Leads—And How He Will Fail

    Air Force fighter pilot John Boyd’s theory about confounding opponents with a constantly shifting battlefield applies to Donald Trump and all GOP aspirants.

    No matter how much you dislike Donald Trump and his effect on the Republican presidential primary race—and there are many, many good reasons to do so—you have to spare a little grudging admiration for the sheer madcap genius of Trump’s ability to disrupt, unsettle, and exploit the primary system.

    We can better understand what Trump has done successfully, as well as his ultimate limitations as a candidate and why he would be such a terrible president, using the ideas of military strategic theorist John Boyd. Trump has been, thus far, the true Boyd candidate in this race, yet he is already exhibiting symptoms of precisely the flaws that Boyd saw as fatal in combatants.

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/16/military-strategist-explains-why-donald-trump-leads-and-how-he-will-fail/

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks so much for putting this up, Marge. This was the article I referenced in an earlier comment. It is long, but definitely worth a look.

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  4. kenoshamarge Says:

    • foxyladi14 Says:

      lol sharing

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Isn’t it a hoot? And so darn true!

        How are you feeling Foxy? Up to par? Or of and on like me.

        • foxyladi14 Says:

          Like you Sweetie,
          But getting blinder by the day.
          Go back to Dr. next month. Waiting for the eye to get ready for surgery. 🙂

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Yes, it is true indeed…

          Foxy, I sent a response to what you said, too, but in case it is lost forever, I am sorry to hear with what you are dealing. I sure hope the surgery is successful?

          • kenoshamarge Says:

            I also hope for the best. Lou’s Mom recently had eye surgery and it was a great success. She’s in her late 80’s and says she hasn’t been able to see so good for 20 years. Hope yours works out as well.

            • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

              Yes, we do care and we do worry!

              So glad to hear that Lou’s mom has had such success with her eye surgery. Sure hope that is the case for our dear Foxy!

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  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    We’re All Being Pretty Quiet About Obama’s Failures, Aren’t We?

    By Mollie Hemingway

    President Barack Obama’s 2012 reelection campaign was built on the claim that he was not just tough on terrorists, but also he was successful in fighting them. “President Obama has placed the killing of Osama bin Laden at the center of his reelection effort,” began one Washington Post story about the effort.

    Vice President Joe Biden was sent out on the campaign trail to repeat the mantra daily: “Osama bin Laden is dead, and General Motors is alive!”

    And it wasn’t just bin Laden. The campaign wanted to emphasize how successful Obama’s strategy was when it came to containing Islamist terrorism. Throughout the 2012 campaign, Obama described al Qaeda as being “on the path to defeat” or “decimated.” One media outlet counted 32 instances of him saying this even after the al Qaeda-linked attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya killed a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans.

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/15/were-all-being-pretty-quiet-about-obamas-failures-arent-we/

  6. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Interesting piece abt Tony Blair. HE isn’t afraid to talk about radical Islamic extremism. Why? Because that’s what it is: http://dailysignal.com/2015/12/11/tony-blairs-isnt-politically-correct-when-talking-about-islam-and-terrorism

  7. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    How freakin’ tone deaf ARE these Republicans in the House?? And if this is what we can expect from a Speaker Ryan, I am more than a little concerned. Here’s why: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/263529-funding-deal-hits-backlash-over-increase-in-worker-visas

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I guess all the reservations people had about Paul Ryan, the man who used to be a fiscal conservative, have proven true.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        So it seems. Very disappointing, that. Trying to figure out how much different he really is from John Boehner at this point…

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          He’s younger, he’s from Wisconsin and he grows a beard for hunting season. That’s about all I can think of. Oh, almost forgot, he doesn’t seem to be a cry baby.

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Brilliant! And yeah, that’s logic for you, something that seems sorely lacking in the arguments of people like Obama…

  9. kenoshamarge Says:

    The ‘Isolationist’ Smear

    ‘Isolationist,’ much like ‘neocon,’ is quickly becoming a meaningless label used to smear opponents.

    The Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin writes that Ted Cruz “outdid himself last night in his courting of the Trumpkin base,” sinking “further into the far-right brew of isolationism and xenophobia.” And to prove this contention, Rubin grabs hold of two words Cruz used, “America” and “first,” to claim that the Texas senator is signaling support for 1930s/40s-style isolationism.

    This is a pretty popular accusation on the hawkish Right. Having watched the debate, though, this seems to be, as Trump might put it, unfair. What I heard wasn’t a case for isolationism but one against Middle Eastern democracy-building—a project that’s been a persistent and bloody failure; one that’s sidetracked foreign policy from its “first” task, which is defeating the enemy.

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/17/the-isolationist-smear/

    I don’t know about the rest of you folks but I am not all that fond of Jennifer Rubin.

  10. kenoshamarge Says:

    I should sooner be governed by the first 2000 names in any phone book than by Yale students

    By William A. Jacobson

    Yale community sign petition to repeal the 1st Amendment

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/12/i-should-sooner-be-governed-by-the-first-2000-names-in-any-phone-book-than-by-yale-students/

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      What in the hell is the matter with young people today?? They would WILLINGLY give up the speech that allows them to say, well, anything? Do they not understand that it is precisely the First Amendment that allows them to say such idiotic things?

      Our educational system has failed us. FAILED us.

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  11. kenoshamarge Says:

  12. kenoshamarge Says:

    The Brilliant Branco strikes again!

  13. kenoshamarge Says:

    Chris Matthews gets the Chris Matthews treatment, doesn’t like it

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/12/chris-matthews-gets-the-chris-matthews-treatment-doesnt-like-it/comment-page-1/#comment-635573

    Hey Chris, if you can’t take it maybe you shouldn’t dish it out.

  14. foxyladi14 Says:

    Be careful who you buy guns for. 😯

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/17/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

  15. foxyladi14 Says:

    spot on. 🙂

  16. helenk3 Says:

    this story “got to me”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3363469/No-presents-thanks-Incredible-moment-little-boy-asks-Santa-pray-baby-life-support.html#ixzz3uazo4BIq

  17. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Seems we aren’t the only ones who are taken aback by the ridiculous spending bill from the House/Senate: http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/17/gop-members-blindsided-by-ryans-spending-measures/

  18. kenoshamarge Says:

  19. kenoshamarge Says:

    Just how stupid do you have to be to say something like this?

    Obama: I Didn’t Realize How Nervous People Were About Terrorism Because I Don’t Watch Enough Television

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2015/12/18/wh-obama-didnt-realize-how-nervous-people-are-about-terrorism-because-he-doesnt-watch-enough-television-n2095201

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good heavens. There really doesn’t seem to be any end to the ridiculous things he says, does there? WOW…

  20. kenoshamarge Says:

  21. justine Says:

    So, I wonder what Trey Gowdy’s excuse is for his voting for the omnibus spending bill today…

    I had thought that perhaps they were passing it to avoid the charge of “shutting down government” (which I don’t personally have a problem with, but know how MSM uses it). Then, maybe in January, Paul Ryan will propose separate (and individual) bills to defund PP and the refugee influx.

    Just hoping. Otherwise, I’m completely unimpressed with the importance of electing what I perceive as conservative reps. [Ugh.]
    .

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good question, Justine, I wonder, too. I know my Senator, Tim Scott, did NOT vote for it. I am just disgusted by the whole thing and how it came to pass. I think Sen. Sessions was right to lay into his fellow Reps, asking them who they were representing since the people had made it very clear how we felt abt some of these things they gave away. Ugh…

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      • kenoshamarge Says:

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Perfect. Just perfect. So disgusted with him and the Reps for continuing to allow the Dems to have the final say on everything., What the hell is WRONG with them?? Why do they continue to capitulate at EVERY turn? UGH.

  22. kenoshamarge Says:

    A Hollywood Christmas Story

    The price you pay to be Republican in California.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261159/hollywood-christmas-story-larry-elder

    Should anyone pay a “price” for belonging to one political party of another in the United States of America? As a former Democrat I am ashamed I ever belonged to their party. This is, if true, utterly disgraceful. And as Obama is so fond of saying, “Not Who We Are”.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That is disturbing indeed, Marge. I have no doubt it is true, though. And that is an unbelievably sad commentary on where we are in this country. WOW.

      And yeah, right there with you with the shame thing. Sigh…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Remember the outrage by the left when they claimed the Bush Administration and Karl Rove in particular was using the DOJ to punish Dems?

        Much was later proved to be untrue but we all know that headlines become the “truth” in many minds because they don’t read any further or bother to do follow ups.

        Now it seems that the “accusers” are the ones who are guilty of using their power, to punish those that dare to disagree. Like you, I believe this article is true. And it is repulsive to me that it is happening in this country.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Excellent point, Marge. It is repulsive indeed.

          No doubt the headlines are what people remember, hence the media’s rush to falsely accuse people on the right whenever there is a tragedy in this country. People remember the attacks – like blaming Palin for something a leftie did, but not the TRUE story.

          It is repulsive indeed…

  23. kenoshamarge Says:

    Wisconsin “John Doe” anti-conservative hunters become the hunted

    Scott Walker eliminates state agency that helped target conservatives, while legislative investigations of prosecutors in the works.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/12/wisconsin-john-doe-anti-conservative-hunters-become-the-hunted/

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      GOOD for Gov. Walker. It is too bad that he dropped out so soon, but what a great Governor he is for your state, Marge. I know you must be glad he’ll be staying put!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        By these actions alone he has shown how much this state needs him. I wish more people could have seen the kind of a man he is and what he could have done for the country as a whole. Their loss is our gain.

        Oh and by the way, my property taxes went down again this year. Thank you Governor Walker!

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Definitely a loss for the nation as a whole – he was my first choice, But I am very glad for you that you have such an outstanding governor. And YAY for lower taxes!!

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      If these pernicious actions can happen in a supposedly “purple” state what do you imagine life is like for conservatives in a blue state? Actions by an elected District Attorney whose job it is to represent the government in prosecuting criminals. In Milwaukee country the criminal was the District Attorney. A man supposedly dedicated to the law.

      These people have no honesty, no decency and no limits to what they will do for their party. I cannot strongly enough express my disgust that these things happened in my state.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        No kidding!! That makes it that much more detestable. That these people evidence such a callous disregard for the very law they are supposed to uphold is bad enough, but to target people because they are in the other party is astonishing. Then they preach their Kumbaya message of tolerance and diversity. Despicable.

  24. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I have to say, Stacey Dash’s message of not giving up is timely after what the REPUBLICAN LED Congress just did in giving a massive Christmas present to Dems:

    http://www.ijreview.com/2015/12/496416-stacey-dash

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