Sad State Of Affair Poll Results *Open Thread*


As I was perusing the headlines this morning, one in particular got this response from me, “You have GOT to be kidding!” That would be this one from The Hill: “Gallup: Clinton Most Admired Woman In US For 20th Year.

Are you KIDDING me with this?? Seriously? The woman who has blatantly lied repeatedly about her emails, Benghazi, and more; whose tenure at the State Department was fraught with one major blunder after another, is the “most admired woman in the US”?

Talk about a sad state of affairs.

But get this – OBAMA is still Number One for seven years running, according to The Hill, and TRUMP comes in at Number Two:

GOP front-runner Donald Trump ties with Pope Francis for second-most-admired man.

About 13 percent say the former secretary of State is the most admirable woman living anywhere in the world today, according to the poll released Monday.

Nobel Prize winner Malala Yousafzai ranks second with 5 percent, while talk show host Oprah Winfrey ties for third with first lady Michelle Obama at 4 percent.
GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina, British Queen Elizabeth II and German Chancellor Angela Merkel then lock for fourth at 2 percent. No other female luminary registers above 1 percent. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Good. Grief. Now admittedly, Clinton only got 13% of the vote, but still.

Then again, let’s just look at the methodology employed by Gallup to come to this conclusion:

Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Dec. 2-6, 2015, with a random sample of 824 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. For results based on the total sample of national adults, the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Huh. That’s all? That is how many people they asked? And not for nothing, but when I clicked on the link for the survey methodology and questions asked, the link failed. Isn’t THAT convenient?

And it leads me to this piece by The Federalist, “How Polls Manipulate Voters, No Matter The Results; When polls show a majority of folks favor a policy or candidate, it marginalizes those who disagree with the poll, peer-pressuring them into conformity..” This is accomplished by employing a logical fallacy, as The Federalist highlights:

[…] Argumentum ad populum is Latin for the idea that because many people believe something to be true, it is true. Closely related is the bandwagon effect in marketing, where marketers attempt to persuade people to purchase their goods and services by claiming “everyone else is doing it.” These strategies aren’t just used to sell goods and services—they are also used to sell politicians and policies.

What’s the best way to show that “everyone else” supports the candidate or legislation? Polling. When polls show a majority of folks favor a policy or candidate, it marginalizes those who disagree with the poll, peer-pressuring them into conformity by making them think their opinions are unpopular, invalid, or irrelevant.

Personally, I am of the opinion we have been seeing a whole lot of that recently, don’t you think? Sure seems that way.

But just how accurate are these polls being touted far and wide? Not very:

[…] The recent race for Kentucky governor also reflected the same inaccurate polling. The Huffington Post, which unapologetically leans liberal, showed the liberal leading the conservative, who vocally supported Kim Davis, the clerk who declined to issue same-sex marriage licenses, by about 2.1 percent. Other polling showed the liberal leading by as much as 5 percent. While the race was tight, the conservative ended up with the support of 53 percent of Kentucky voters, while the liberal only secured 44 percent. The conservative candidate won by 9 points.

Inaccurate polling is not a new phenomenon. Similar polling data was consistently at odds with actual votes cast on marriage referenda across the country. For example, in 2012, North Carolinians voted on a constitutional amendment to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Prior to that vote, polls had showed a majority of North Carolinians opposing the amendment, and some polls showed same-sex marriage support by upwards of a 25 percent margin. However, on election day, the amendment passed 61 to 39 percent, by a 22-point margin!

Holy smokes, those are some inaccurate polls, are they not? They were wrong in every single instance, several very, VERY wrong.

There seems to be a clear intent to these kinds of polls, as The Federalist continues:

With polling quite obviously failing to reflect the actual views of voters, the question is, what is the purpose of circulating the polling results? Could it be to convince voters and donors that if they’re not in tune with the liberal agenda, they’re out of step with popular views regarding natural marriage and conservative candidates who voice outspoken support for natural marriage?

These days, polls seem to endeavor to impact voters rather than reflect voters’ intentions, touting an “everybody else is doing it” mindset. This intends to deflate conservatives who support natural marriage, encouraging them to stay home from the polls because their policies and their candidates are so unlikely to prevail—based on polls, of course. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

And that would be another logical fallacy, Circular Reasoning.

All that is to say, when you see these poll results, whether it be declaring Obama and Clinton the “Most Admired People On The Face Of The Planet!!!!!” or Trump as the de facto nominee of the Republican Party, remember to take such results with a grain – make that a ton – of salt.

At least that’s what I think. How about you? This is an Open Thread.


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26 Responses to “Sad State Of Affair Poll Results *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Have you ever noticed how Juan Williams likes to use the “polls” to make his points until the don’t agree with his ideology?

    Polls, as well as other numbers in this country are so manipulated that you can’t believe any of them.

    Someone who is a Trump supporter tried to convince me this morning that I was wrong about Trumps latest vulgarity because “people” in the comments section were saying it wasn’t vulgar. Excuse me? I should change my own personal definition of what is or is not vulgar because of what some people in a comments section say?

    We are losing the ability to think for ourselves. And that my friends is dangerous beyond belief. Except for those who have lost the ability to think at all. And their numbers are growing. Be afraid, be very afraid…

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Ohmygosh, YES, Marge. Juan is so transparent when it comes to poll flip-flopping. Good point!!

      I’m sorry, what?? This person expects you to become a lemming or a sheep all of a sudden?? Never mind that s/he CLEARLY does not know you, but why would anyone WANT somebody to go along mindlessly because all the “cool kids” (as they perceive them) are doing it? Again, isn’t this EXACTLY abt what we complained with OBOTS???

      Again, sad but true – people are losing the ability to think for themselves in this country. That is a dangerous thing indeed…

    • mcnorman Says:

      I have to constantly remind myself that many people run on autopilot. They are too busy to think about what is facing them head on. If reality becomes too overbearing, there is always a snippet here or there to feed the fantasy. Take for example these folks.

      Well meaning, but completely clueless about the culture.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Excellent point, mcnorman. I know that many people are just trying to take care of their families, or other circumstances, so aren’t really paying attention. They SHOULD be, since so much of what happens in DC has a direct impact on them. But they don’t.

        So, yeah, many lifelong Dems will go along with whoever the nominee is because they always have and don’t have the time, or take the time, to learn abt them.

        Then there is that “clueless” factor. Terrible what happened to those people, but really – had they done their homework first, and looked at the realties elsewhere, perhaps they would have made a different choice. Still – it should be a warning to all of these bleeding hearts who keep calling for us to open up to these refugees…

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    Don’t Let Liberals Tell You What You Can and Can’t Say About Hillary

    By Kurt Schlichter

    CNN Don Lemon’s terrified cry of “Abandon ship!” when I refused to play my designated Trump Thumper role last week was a moment the GOP candidates need to learn from. It was more than just a hilarious meltdown by a stalwart defender of all things liberal – and the inspiration for multiple media appearances and hordes of new Twitter followers for me.

    It was a warning that the Democrat-defending, palace guard mainstream media is going to fight to place many of the most devastating criticisms of Hillary out-of-bounds, and the incident offered a demonstration of how it will try to do so.

    Here’s the question to the Republican candidates: Are you going to just sit there and let Hillary’s minions tell you what you can and can’t say?

    I don’t know about other liberals but I sure as hell wouldn’t allow a Clinton activist like Don Lemon to tell me what to say or think. Love ya Kurt for making the POS show his colors by cutting you off.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      And don’t ya just love how Lemon says “it isn’t fair” to tar Hillary with her husbands sins but thinks it fine to tar every Republican with what Trump says?

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        No kidding that it is ridiculous to tar Republicans with every crazy, vulgar, thing Trump says, and then claim Hillary’s hubbie is off-limits. Never mind that the left goes after the CHILDREN of Republican candidates, as if they have ANYTHING to do with their parents’ campaigns on policy levels, and that their own children are always considered off-limits. The hypocrisy and double-standard are just off the charts ridiculous.

        And good on Schlichter for not playing the media’s game…

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Say what else you like about the GOP at least their debates are in prime time during the week for all the world to see. Who has something, or someone to hide?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      ROTFLMAO – that is hysterical, Marge! Ahahahahaha…

      Absolutely abt the GOP debates. They are not at some random time when no one is around to watch. So freakin’ sneaky…

  4. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    This is the kind of thing the media, and the polls, aren’t saying abt some of the candidates, in this case, Fiorina:

    Admittedly, I was out of the country, but I do not recall seeing ANYTHING abt this anywhere else.

    I assume this isn’t just happening for Fiorina, but other candidates as well. The media is so gleeful to keep pushing Trump, as are the polls, that they want to create the impression that others are basically sitting in empty rooms.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Not a word about Fiorina needing more room yet play games with Hillary needing less.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Marge, that is SO true – and what a GREAT photo to prove the point!

        Yeah, since they aren’t really covering Fiorina or some of the others, how would we know what is really going on at their campaign stops? Only the local papers seem to report on them. And I know from experience that the one event we attended on National Security was PACKED, with many people standing.

        I bet this is happening with other candidates too, including Cruz and Rubio, but the MSM has their own narrative they want to present: the inevitability of Trump.

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          Isn’t it amazing how they don’t cover anyone except Clinton and Trump, with mentions of Sanders and Cruz from time to time? Then when they do talk about Fiorina all they do is dismiss her cause her numbers are so small. Wonder what her “numbers” would be if she got all the free air time Trump and Clinton get.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            No kidding. Gov. Huckabee hit them abt that this morning, too – that if he got all the air time Trump got, he’d be doing better in the polls too!

            At least they did have Fiorina on, but once again, her time was couched in what Donald Trump just said abt Bill Clinton. That is how they are manipulating this whole thing. EVERY time another candidate is on, they are asked what they think of Trump and some comment he made.

            Fiorina did not take the bait, though, and talked abt who the candidate is running against – HILLARY, not Bill, and there is plenty abt Hillary’s policies on which to disagree.

            • kenoshamarge Says:

              I still say it’s fair to tie Bill’s misdeeds to her since they tie Trump’s big mouth to all Republicans.

            • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

              I should add that Fiorina also said this morning, as they just played on “The Five,” that YES, Bill Clinton is fair game. He was a President, after all, which makes him so anyway. But the previous point was more abt how EVERY question to the other candidates is based on what The Donald said. So, yeah – Fiorina agrees with you too, Marge!

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          LOL, true that, Marge. What’s good for the goose and all that! 😀

      • mcnorman Says:

        Let’s face it, the msm is quite accustomed to doing as it has pleased for decades. They know that few question their information let alone their motives. I think that the msm is up there with the dirty politicians.

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    State Dept. counts ‘bringing peace’ to Syria as a 2015 win

    Sometimes you just gotta shake your head in disbelief and sit gape-jawed in front of your computer. They really think we’re this stupid. They really do. And the media will support them in this crap. It is unfrickingbelievable!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      If there is peace in Syria, why are there so many refugees pouring out of there?!

      That must be more of that liberal “logic,” I reckon. Wow. Just freakin’ wow, Marge.

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      When we got in Sat. night, we passed a notice for the Globetrotters coming to Charleston. I mentioned to Suzy how much fun they are, having gotten to see them play in person when I was a child. And Meadowlark Lemon was one of the players then.

      Thanks for this fitting tribute!

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