The Next-To-Last Republican Debate Before Iowa *Open Thread*


The two Republican Debates will be held tonight, coming to you from Charleston, SC. I cannot BELIEVE we are out of town for this, but we will be watching it nonetheless. We plan on having plenty of pizza and popcorn (it will be dinner time in Las Vegas) while it is on. Okay, and probably some chocolate, too, but hey – it is HEALTH food, people!

That said, I am pretty sure we are going to be busy when the Democratic Debate, also held in Charleston, comes on January 17th via NBC. Curiously, YouTube will be streaming the Democratic Debate as well, but as far as I could tell, not the Republican Debate. I am sure there is nothing to be read into THAT at all. Ahem.

This debate will be held on the Fox Business Network, with the “Undercard” debate from 6:00 – 8:00 pm (EST), and the main event from 9:00 – 11:00 pm (EST). Here is more on the debates:

Fox Business Network on Monday announced the candidate lineup for the Jan. 14 Republican presidential debates – and already one candidate has said he will not participate after not qualifying for the prime-time event.

The participants qualifying for the prime-time, 9 p.m. ET debate are:

Billionaire businessman Donald Trump; Texas Sen. Ted Cruz; Florida Sen. Marco Rubio; retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson; New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie; former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush; and Ohio Gov. John Kasich.

The participants qualifying for the earlier, 6 p.m. ET debate are:

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul; former HP CEO Carly Fiorina; former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee; and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.

However, the Paul campaign said Monday night it does not plan to participate.

Well, I have to be honest, I would SO rather have Fiorina in the top debate instead of Gov. Bush. Then again, it will just give her more of a chance to shine in that group, especially if Sen. Paul stays home. That would be fine with me since he annoys me. It also means that, despite what was previously thought, Gov. Kasich will be in the prime time debate. He annoys me, too, I have to say.

Here is more on Sen. Paul:

This is the first time Paul has not qualified for a prime-time debate and his campaign, within minutes of the announcement, issued a statement complaining about the criteria.

“By any reasonable criteria Senator Paul has a top tier campaign,” his campaign said. “He will not let the media decide the tiers of this race and will instead take his message directly to the voters of New Hampshire and Iowa.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Like I said, he annoys me. Like we need another petulant child in the White House…

Now that the numbers are going down in terms of candidates, it means there will be a bit more time for everyone to talk – including The Donald. Because we don’t see him enough on the tee-vee these days. Sigh. But it should be interesting to hear more fully what all of these candidates think about these important issues of the day. Heaven knows, there are some mighty important topics to be addressed by the candidates, from economics to National Security, and a whole bunch in between.

As always, I will be interested in hearing what you have to say about the Debates, who you thought won, who should be the next one(s) to drop out, how the moderators did, all of that.

This is an Open Thread, though, so feel free to talk about anything that is on your minds. I’ll try to get a post up for the Weekend, and will be back home on Tuesday, so more then.

Your turn now!


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37 Responses to “The Next-To-Last Republican Debate Before Iowa *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    I’m not a big fan of Rand Paul but I cannot believe that Bush and Kasich made it to the main stage and he didn’t. Fiorina seems to have lost the momentum she’s had, but then she gets almost no air time so that’s not surprising.

    I hoping that Cavuto, who is a big Trump fan, manages to be “fair and balanced.” I think Bartiromo will be good. I’ve liked her so far and I’m hoping she does nothing to change that or ruin the debates by having the moderators more of the story than the candidates.

    Actually so far as I can see the only 4 that should be on the main stage are Trump, Cruz, Rubio and Christie. The other stand almost no chance and Christie and Rubio are sinking fast. Both need more than a “good” performance tonight IMO, they need a great one.

    I doubt that Trump and Cruz will give the media the fight they want although perhaps Trump’s “birther” b.s. may have made Cruz decide it’s time to take the gloves off. If it’s just Cruz and Trump I believe that Cruz can tied the boorish Mr. Trump in knots. Cruz can state facts and numbers while Trump would find nothing more important to say than that someone is a “loser” or that his ideas will be “yuge”. Honestly how can even semi-intelligent people fall for such crap?

    • mcnorman Says:

      I actually heard someone on Fox say Kasich would be a good man to run against the Dems. What a crock! That man should have been gone long ago. As far as Jeb goes, he’s still being propped up by the GOP. He is so unappealing. If Kasich is going on tonight, they should have left Fiorina and the others on as well.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        As far as I’m concerned if you can’t make it into double digits after all this time, you don’t belong on the main stage.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I appreciate that, Marge, though I think it is still early. That said, as long as the media continues to push its favorites – for whatever reasons they do so – I am willing to give people more time.

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      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Amen to that on all counts, mcnorman. I find Kasich to be singularly unappealing. No way would I want him as the nominee, much less President.

        I just don’t get how he made it in over Fiorina. Ugh.

        Sadly, I have not been able to find the debate on here. Dang it!

        That said, Curling is even better in person than on TV! Love it!

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    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I am not a fan of Paul’s either, and I cannot believe Kasich is on the main stage. Ugh, really do not care for him and his petulant whiny ways. We have one of those already!

      And yeah, Fiorina has been having standing room only crowds, as I am sure others are too, but they aren’t Trump. So frustrating…

      So yeah, let us hope it is a good, decent debate. The undercard should be interesting…

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  2. kenoshamarge Says:

  3. foxyladi14 Says:

    I bet more people will watch the debate tonight.
    Then watched the SOTU last night. 😆

  4. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Turns out we can stream the debate. Pizza has been ordered, computer on, abt time to watch. 🙂

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    GOP Debate Winner: Ted Cruz </strong

    By William A. Jacobson

    Tonight’s GOP debate was Ted Cruz’s night. He went right after Donald Trump multiple times, but in a way that came across as forceful and informed, but not nasty. He also fended off a pretty vigorous attack from Marco Rubio. His strongest points came early and against Trump, when the audience would be the largest.

    Trump was runner-up. He had a good moment on Cruz’s slam on “NY Values,” but I’m not sure how defending NY values plays outside NY. His performance will confirm pre-existing views of him.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      We all thought Cruz was the clear winner, too. He had a good night. It was Jeb’s best night too, FWIW. The focus group said the NY thing didn’t really matter one way or the other, especially after Megyn Kelly played the clip of Trump back when he was a Dem (ahem) saying NY values weren’t the same as Iowa values, or words to that effect. It burned us up that they let Trump go on and on and on and on and on, AND asked a question of everyone based on something Trump said. I am so, so sick of that.

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    Spoilers: DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz sums up GOP debate 3 minutes in

    The gospal according to Lil Debbie: “We know what we’ll hear at the #GOPDebate—anti-women, anti-immigrant, and absolutely no common-sense reforms to help middle-class Americans.”

    Is Lil Debbie now a physic? What a fool.

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    Did you catch GOP debate’s ‘flat-out, undiluted, zero-respect racism’?

    It’s so easy to see the “racism” when you know the formula. Petulant child = boy= racism. Easy peasy if you’re a brain dead liberal.

  8. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I wish I could have seen FIroina on the earlier debate. One of the Luntz group members said she was fantastic and she cannot believe she hasn’t gotten more traction. Others agreed that she was really good.

    And this is the line she delivered that is getting all the notice:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      She sure belonged more on the main stage than Kasich!

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Allen West said she most definitely deserved to be in the main stage, and that she is a serious contender. I thought that said something…

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  9. kenoshamarge Says:

    The Humiliation

    By Mark Steyn

    There’s no point pretending the illegal seizure and release of America’s sailors is anything other a huge propaganda victory for Iran – and a humiliation for the United States. Insofar as there was a strategic calculation behind Obama’s outreach to the mullahs, it was that the nuclear deal and the lifting of sanctions would incentivize the Islamic Republic to start behaving like any other house-trained member of the community of nations. In other words, they’d stop pulling this stuff.

    The article was worth a read if for nothing more than Steyn referring to Kerry as a botoxicated buffoon”.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Ohmygosh, that is a fantastic moniker for Kerry, especially since it is TRUE!

      The opening paragraph was spot on. We literally had just been talking abt this very issue since I had just seen a Chesler article abt them putting a hijab in the female sailor. Grrrrrrrrr. But yes, sadly, Steyn is absolutely right…

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  11. mcnorman Says:

    Any thoughts on why Lindsey too tight facelift gave the thumbs up to Yeb?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Beats the hell out of me! I was pretty surprised by it, but that’s Lindsey for you!

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  12. kenoshamarge Says:

    Frank Luntz responds to angry @RealDonaldTrump tweet with a video of what looks like a cockroach

    Good for Luntz! The only response to a bully is to hit him back. Trump’s managed to frighten most off with his bullying. Time for people to keep hitting back at the billionaire bully/boor. Oh and just for the record I’m not a Frank Luntz fan.

  13. kenoshamarge Says:

  14. kenoshamarge Says:

    Did Trump walk into a trap on “NY Values” fight?

    The media and Trumpkin “meme” is that Cruz is in big trouble about his remarks on New York values. Maybe not so much. And I adore that Cruz “apology”.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, smart of Cruz with his “apology.” I think he just needs to run a commercial with Trump’s Russert interview over and over, AND tell those folks at Fox that he was QUOTING Trump. Oh, and he can tell Maria he said, “not a lot of Conservatives come out of NY,” not none.

      I really hate when they edit these candidates and fail to put things in context…

  15. kenoshamarge Says:

    Audio: Despite Debate Denial, Trump Did Suggest 45 Percent Tariff on China

    Trump: I would do a tariff, yes. And they’d do it to us, by the way. We have to be smart. I’m a free trader. I’m a free trader. And some of the people would say ‘oh it’s terrible.’ I’m a free trader. I love free trade, but it’s gotta be reasonably fair. So I would do a tax. And the tax — let me tell you what the tax should be. The tax should be 45 percent. That would be a tax that would be equivalent to some of, kind of, you know, the devaluations they’ve done.

    Benson predicts that the Obots Trumpkins won’t give a rat’s ass that he lied. I predict that Benson is right.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      No kidding. He lies relentlessly, but they could care less. They really are this election’s version of Obots – you got that totally right…

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