Voices Of Reason From National Review *Open Thread*


Oh, the media is ALL abuzz this morning that a bunch of well-known Conservatives have gathered together to stand up against the tide Of Trump-mania. Their clarion call is long overdue, in my opinion. Naturally, The Donald has dismissed everything they have said in his usual demeaning manner. And the media, at least Fox, usually lets Donald have the last word.

But I am not Fox News, which I have a harder and harder time watching these days. Even this minute, with Marco Rubio on, he is being asked about the National Review issue, Against Trump. How about, for ONCE, just sticking to the candidate in front of you and asking him or her questions about his or her positions NOT in relation to TRUMP?? Sick. Of. It.

And now, to the NR editorial itself:

Trump’s political opinions have wobbled all over the lot. The real-estate mogul and reality-TV star has supported abortion, gun control, single-payer health care à la Canada, and punitive taxes on the wealthy. (He and Bernie Sanders have shared more than funky outer-borough accents.) Since declaring his candidacy he has taken a more conservative line, yet there are great gaping holes in it.

His signature issue is concern over immigration — from Latin America but also, after Paris and San Bernardino, from the Middle East. He has exploited the yawning gap between elite opinion in both parties and the public on the issue, and feasted on the discontent over a government that can’t be bothered to enforce its own laws no matter how many times it says it will (President Obama has dispensed even with the pretense). But even on immigration, Trump often makes no sense and can’t be relied upon. A few short years ago, he was criticizing Mitt Romney for having the temerity to propose “self-deportation,” or the entirely reasonable policy of reducing the illegal population through attrition while enforcing the nation’s laws. Now, Trump is a hawk’s hawk.


As for illegal immigration, Trump pledges to deport the 11 million illegals here in the United States, a herculean administrative and logistical task beyond the capacity of the federal government. Trump piles on the absurdity by saying he would re-import many of the illegal immigrants once they had been deported, which makes his policy a poorly disguised amnesty (and a version of a similarly idiotic idea that appeared in one of Washington’s periodic “comprehensive” immigration reforms). This plan wouldn’t survive its first contact with reality.

On foreign policy, Trump is a nationalist at sea. Sometimes he wants to let Russia fight ISIS, and at others he wants to “bomb the sh**” out of it. He is fixated on stealing Iraq’s oil and casually suggested a few weeks ago a war crime — killing terrorists’ families — as a tactic in the war on terror. For someone who wants to project strength, he has an astonishing weakness for flattery, falling for Vladimir Putin after a few coquettish bats of the eyelashes from the Russian thug. All in all, Trump knows approximately as much about national security as he does about the nuclear triad — which is to say, almost nothing.

There is so much more to this good piece, but allow me to interject some of the fallout the National Review has already gotten for their troubles of speaking the TRUTH about who Donald Trump is. From the American Thinker:

The first effect has been that the magazine has been disinvited by the RNC from participation in next week’s GOP presidential debate.  And as one of the 22 contributors, Steve Hayward admits, it is unlikely to stop the juggernaut.

“Not that this will do any good, but I have joined a chorus of conservatives making our cases against Trump in the next issue of National Review.”

Yeah, awesome thought that – not. But just in case anyone needs a reminder of the kneejerk, thin-skinned, Obama-esque, Trump is like, you can read  some of his Tweets, courtesy of the American Thinker.

I still cannot get over that so many people support him, but with the media’s full-on ad campaign for him, I guess I SHOULDN’T be surprised. Then again, they keep failing to notice that a good 70% of us DON’T want him. Mere trivialities, it seems.

But for those of us in the Reason-based world, allow me to finish up with a bit more information on The Man Who Has Conned America from the National Review:

Trump’s record as a businessman is hardly a recommendation for the highest office in the land. For all his success, Trump inherited a real-estate fortune from his father. Few of us will ever have the experience, as Trump did, of having Daddy-O bail out our struggling enterprise with an illegal loan in the form of casino chips. Trump’s primary work long ago became less about building anything than about branding himself and tending to his celebrity through a variety of entertainment ventures, from WWE to his reality-TV show, The Apprentice. His business record reflects the often dubious norms of the milieu: using eminent domain to condemn the property of others; buying the good graces of politicians — including many Democrats — with donations.


Trump nevertheless offers a valuable warning for the Republican party. If responsible men irresponsibly ignore an issue as important as immigration, it will be taken up by the reckless. If they cannot explain their Beltway maneuvers — worse, if their maneuvering is indefensible — they will be rejected by their own voters. If they cannot advance a compelling working-class agenda, the legitimate anxieties and discontents of blue-collar voters will be exploited by demagogues. We sympathize with many of the complaints of Trump supporters about the GOP, but that doesn’t make the mogul any less flawed a vessel for them.

Some conservatives have made it their business to make excuses for Trump and duly get pats on the head from him. Count us out. Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism who would take the work of generations and trample it underfoot in behalf of a populism as heedless and crude as the Donald himself. (Click here to read the rest.)

Unfortunately, far too many of them seem to fit that bill now. But it isn’t too late. At leat, I hope and pray it isn’t too late.

Honestly, I am just thankful that some respected thinkers are finally, and forcefully, speaking out. It is about damn time.

This is an Open Thread.



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17 Responses to “Voices Of Reason From National Review *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Glad some voices of reason are out there but quite honestly at this point I doubt it will do any good. Trumpkins are beyond reason and the media is no better. Whether they love him or hate him they just never shut up about him. Like you, I watch very little FOX anymore and then only the panel from “Special Report”. All too often all they talk about is Trump so I stop watching them.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      OHMYGOSH, that cartoon is PERFECT, Marge. Holy smokes, that is EXACTLY what it is like!

      Yeah, I just had to leave a comment at Fox abt the incessant Trump coverage, how Martha MacCallum was going at Brent Bozell for having the sheer gall to write something negative abt Trump, and how SICK I am of every time they actually have another candidate on, the interview is mainly abt something TRUMP said.

      Sick. Of. It.

      Oh, and I reminded them that while they keep pushing Trump’s poll numbers, what they fail to acknowledge is that more than DOUBLE the number do NOT want Trump. UGH.

  2. helenk3 Says:

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    A perfect example of why I love Jonah Goldberg

    The Kochs’ Biggest Sin: Disagreeing with Liberal Narrative By Jonah Goldberg

    “What people need to understand is the Kochs have been playing a very long game,” she told NPR’s Steve Inskeep. “And it’s not just about elections. It started four decades ago with a plan to change how America thinks and votes. So while some elections they win and some elections they lose, what they’re aiming at is changing the conversation in the country.”

    Dear God, it’s worse than I thought! They want to change the conversation! They want to persuade Americans to vote differently! The horror, the horror.

    You might be forgiven for thinking that this is pretty much exactly what democracy is about. But no. For you see, only Hollywood, college professors and administrators, the ACLU, People for the American Way, the Human Rights Campaign, NARAL, Emily’s List, the Ford Foundation, Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, MoveOn.org, the NAACP, the Union of Concerned Scientists, Greenpeace, Tom Steyer, Michael Bloomberg, George Soros, Steven Spielberg and, of course, publications such as The New York Times, The New Republic, The Nation and Mayer’s own New Yorker are allowed to try to change conversations and argue for people to vote differently.


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      GREAT piece by Goldberg! He is so good, isn’t he? And he NAILS the rampant hypocrisy of the Left.

      And speaking of hypocrisy, check out the hypocrisy of Donald Trump, especially what he said abt Obama and Hillary Clinton in this Daily Caller article:

      “We have a young, vibrant, smart president who, I think, is going to do a really good job,” the leading candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination said on Fox News.

      For years, Trump has also zealously praised Hillary Clinton as “really a very terrific woman.”

      “I think she’s a very, very brilliant person, and as a senator in New York, she has done a great job,” he gushed in 2007. “Everybody loves her.”

      In 2008, Trump applauded Obama’s selection of Clinton as his secretary of state nominee. “I think Hillary is a great appointment,” he said. (RELATED: Report: Emails At The Highest Classification Levels Found On Hillary’s Private Server)

      Trump has also given between $100,001 and $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation.

      In 2008, Trump expressed surprise that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not attempt to impeach President George W. Bush over the 2003 invasion of Iraq. “It just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which, personally, I think would have been a wonderful thing,” Trump said on CNN.

      The same year, Trump called Pelosi “a very impressive person.”

      In 2007, the billionaire real estate developer appeared on CNN to to excoriate then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as “very sad” and to call Hugo Chavez, then president of Venezuela, “a lot smarter than” Bush. (RELATED: Venezuela, Chicago Public Schools Face Toilet Paper Shortages)

      “In many cases, I probably identify more as a Democrat,” Trump said on CNN in 2004. “If you go back, it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.”

  4. foxyladi14 Says:

    Stay safe dear friends. ❤

  5. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    For those who may be interested, Carly Fiorina spoke to the March for Life crowd today. Here is her speech: http://townhall.com/columnists/carlyfiorina/2016/01/22/march-for-life-speech-n2107967/page/full

  6. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    No, Trump most definitely is NOT the solution: http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/22/donald-trump-is-not-the-solution-to-gop-incompetence/

  7. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    You may recall that the Talking Heads were lauding Trump’s tariff position, I guess because they thought he finally sounded “Presidential.” Except he was WRONG: http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/21/exposing-trumps-trade-fallacies-and-american-manufacturing-myths/

  8. helenk3 Says:


    I love this lady from Iowa

  9. helenk3 Says:

    new Cruz ad


  10. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    What the hell took so long indeed?? The fear these people exhibited of being attacked by Trump put them ALL behind the eight ball.

    I just cannot believe, with as rich a field as there is this time around, that TRUMP is the one leading, even with all the media propping him up.

  11. helenk3 Says:


    I thought this article was interesting. It does explain some things

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