Shooting The Messengers *Open Thread*


I am still under the weather, so this will be brief, but I wanted to mention two stories that highlight the old saying about “shooting the messenger.”

The first one is the recent Grand Jury decision from Houston indicting the filmmaker who exposed the deplorable actions of Planned Parenthood. That one of the prosecutors has been a fundraiser for and sits on the board of an organization affiliated with Planned Parenthood without recusing herself is an indication of how biased this process was from the get-go. She should not have been able to prosecute this case, in my opinion, and that she was able to do so shows a clear breach of ethics. More from The Federalist:

Months after the release of undercover videos detailing Planned Parenthood’s scheme to traffic aborted baby body parts, a grand jury has finally brought brought criminal charges. Not against Planned Parenthood, but against David Daleiden, the pro-life activist behind the undercover sting videos.

A grand jury in Harris County, Texas, returned two charges on Monday afternoon against Daleiden, the activist who planned and organized the undercover sting videos. Although the grand jury allegedly investigated Planned Parenthood, no charges were brought against the nation’s largest abortion provider, whose executives were shown in multiple videos attempting to sell trafficked organs and other body parts harvested from aborted babies. One Planned Parenthood executive, while haggling over the prices of aborted baby organs, noted that she needed to get the right price because, “I want to buy a Lamborghini.”

According to a press release from the office of Harris County district attorney’s office which was provided to The Federalist, Daleiden was charged with the purchase and sale of human organs, a misdemeanor, and with tampering with a governmental record, a felony. Sandra Merritt, one of Daleiden’s associates, was also charged with tampering with a governmental record. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Did you catch that? Daleiden was charged with the purchase of human organs. That begs the OBVIOUS question: who was the SELLER, and why wasn’t the SELLER charged? Of course, we know the answer to that question. It was Planned Parenthood, as all of Dadeiden’s videos showed clearly. But somehow, HE was charged with the sale of human organs while Planned Parenthood got off scott-free. Must be nice for Planned Parenthood to have prosecutors in their pocket, which they CLEARLY did with Lauren Reeder. Talk about a miscarriage of justice, and targeting the whistleblower instead of the organization engaging in such abhorrent behavior.

Next up are the responses Katie Pavlitch, a writer for Townhall and frequent Fox contributor, got after her involvement in the recent NRO edition, “Against Trump.” It wasn’t all bad, but wowie zowie, talk about shotting the messenger. From Townhall:

[…] I welcome civil discussion, disagreement and even tough debate, but I reject the idea we’re only allowed to have an opinion so long as it serves and satisfies a certain candidate, no matter who it is. That’s not how the primary process works.

It is important to note in the days since “Against Trump” was published, I’ve received far more substantive support for the piece, and my part in it, than negativity.

That being said, I should point out the impossibility of taking Trump’s supporters seriously when they hurl endless names through the internet: degenerate, cuckservative, RINO, establishment hack, c*nt, b*itch, two faced c*cksucker, maggot, part of an “unwise pig pile,” etc. Not to mention those who told me, and other authors of the piece, to commit suicide.

There is no doubt Donald Trump would be proud of this type of name-calling and incivility. After all, his supporters have learned from his “leadership.”

I’m not going to restate my case against Trump here, as it has already been done, but I will stand by what I said no matter how “offensive” some may make it seem. Further, I strongly reject calls for anyone who disagrees with Trump to “soldier up and get in line” simply because he’s winning in the polls. Votes aren’t bought and they certainly aren’t an entitlement. Votes are earned after trust, especially when a candidate’s decades long record is one of supporting big government, progressive ideology and liberal policy. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

How much does that reaction by Trump supporters remind you of Obama supporters? The horrendous, offensive things said to her for having the audacity to speak the truth about Trump is telling indeed. I know this is not a newsflash to many of us, but still – the reaction of “Trumpkins” (as Kenoshamarge calls them) is exactly the same as Obots to both Clinton and Palin.

Pavlitch is one classy young woman, though, and will not stop to the depths these Trump supporters have evidenced. The case made against Trump was compelling and, oh, yeah – ACCURATE, so she knows she is taking the high road. It is a real shame that Trump’s followers are incapable of doing likewise. It speaks volumes about them, and Donald (Mr. “I won’t be in a debate if that bimbo Megyn Kelly is moderating!) Trump. Wow.

Okay. That’s it for me. Feel free to discuss these stories, or anything else on your minds. This is an Open Thread.


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25 Responses to “Shooting The Messengers *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Trumpkins = Obots IMO in both their ignorance and their nasty ways. I am a big Katie Pavlich fan as well as one of her college at Townhall Guy Benson. Both a smart young people and I enjoy reading what they write and seeing them when they are on television. Both are NOT Trump supporters.

    The media however is all Trump all the time and so other serious candidates that might actually make a good president are not being heard. Although people who responded Katie as they did aren’t open to reason or facts anyway. Just typical internet nasty’s.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That cartoon truly says it all. That is what it has become. I can barely stand to watch Fox now, and wonder where the hell I can go to watch some news that isn’t all Trump all the time. It is truly disconcerting.

      I love Katie Pavlitch and Guy Benson. They are two very bright young stars, IMO.

      And yes, there is a direct correlation between Trump and Obama supporters, that is for sure.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    13 Hours in Benghazi, and the Still-Missing White House Timeline

    It’s almost two weeks since the release of “13 Hours,” the movie about the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans. In the modern news cycle, that’s time enough for the importance of this movie to be buried by news of the blizzard from which the East Coast is now digging out. But I found this movie so good that I went to see it twice.

    Both times, I came away wondering the same thing. What, precisely, was President Obama doing during the hours — all those many hours — in which the Americans in Benghazi, abandoned by their leaders in Washington, fought for their lives?

    I find this following paragraph a perfect indictment of Obama and his Administration and that certainly includes the video queen Hillary Clinton who was then SoS.

    At core, “13 Hours” is a movie about the vital human business of keeping faith, of doing what’s right — who did, and who did not. This film shows how, in the face of folly from on high, and the deadly results on the ground, a small band of American warriors saw what had to be done, and did it. They stepped up to keep faith with themselves and their fellow Americans — while back in Washington, their leaders, including America’s commander-in-chief, did no such thing. For all the American military might that was standing by that night, “spinning up” beyond Libya’s borders, no help was sent into Libya. All that arrived, courtesy of orders from above, was an unmanned drone, a vehicle in this case for bearing witness — a microcosm of President Obama’s foreign policy.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I want to see this movie again, too. It is unbelievably powerful. And yes, it does make one think, “where the hell was Obama? Where the hell was Clinton?” It is glaringly obvious that the faith between the government and these warriors was broken, not by the warriors, but by the government. And that faith, one on which our military has been taught to rely for ages, was ruptured for none other than political reasons. It is appalling.

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    The Grand Jury decision from Houston may not be the winning issue Planned Parenthood and their pet prosecutor envisioned. The furor had pretty much died down. Planned Parenthood was not constantly in the news anymore. Not it’s back front and center. And no jury in it’s right mind will find the “buyers” guilty.

    They should have remembered how prostitution works, the “buyer” aka the john, is free to go and the “seller” that would be the prostitute, is arrested.

    The prostitutes at PP and the prostitute who is trying to arrest the “john” may be in for a bumpier ride than they thought. If they thought about this at all.

    I know the idea was to scare off others who would let the public know things the liberal government, the liberal media and the monsters at PP don’t want the general public to know. Too late now. If this goes to trial doesn’t the accused have access in discovery to all kinds of things PP doesn’t want known?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I hope you are right, Marge. It really is astonishing the lack of logic indicated by this decision. How in the hell could they NOT charge PP if they indict the filmmaker for “buying” human organs?? Those organs didn’t just come out of thin air – they came FROM PP! Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.

      I still cannot believe Leeder didn’t recuse herself, or wasn’t FORCED to do so. Talk abt a breach of ethics…

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

    Why This Former Trump Fan Doesn’t Support Him Anymore

    Support for Trump reminds me of an old Jeff Foxworthy joke that went something like this.

    Kid: Look up in the sky, mama, it’s a plane! It’s a plane!

    Mother: Oh, look, he knows that! He’s just so smart, isn’t he?

    Jeff Foxworthy: Smart? He’s 12 years old!

    When you have genuine affection for someone, it’s easy to block out his faults. In Trump’s case, this is being taken to such an extreme that it’s starting to feel like we’re in Jonestown a few days before the Kool-Aid is handed out. Tell me I’m wrong if you like, but even Trump made reference to that when he said,

    “And you know what else they say about my people? The polls! They say I have the most loyal people. Did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters. It’s incredible.”

    Since when do conservatives engage in this type of blind loyalty towards ANY politician?

    Donald Trump talks incessantly about polls that are favorable to him, but the polls have also consistently shown that he loses to Hillary Clinton. Worse yet, his favorable/unfavorable ratings are 33/58. That’s the same as Jimmy Carter in early 1980. It’s WORSE than Walter Mondale. Trump even has a higher unfavorable rating with the general public than Nixon AFTER Watergate. It would be easier to rehabilitate Enron’s image than to make Trump President with those poll numbers.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks for this. Glad someone came to their senses!

      But yeah, Trump seems to have quite the glaring disconnect when he brags abt the polls. He will lose to Hillary, and I think that is why he is running – to make sure she gets it. I just cannot believe that so many conservatives are so blindly following him, just like the author said. It is truly astonishing. That they reacted with laughter at his outrageous claim abt shooting someone says it all. They cannot be reasoned with, clearly. WOW.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        He, like Juan Williams touts the polls that favor him or his message and ignores those that don’t.

      • piper Says:

        Designed and staged from the beginning by Billy C. and Donnie T to s-elect Hillary as our next prez. Obama is in on the joke as he needs someone to protect his ‘leg-a-cy’ knowing that a republican would undo (hopefully) all his actions losing a ton of money for him and his backers.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I would be not one bit surprised by that, piper. Considering how buddy-buddy Trump is with the Clintons, I can so see them conspiring on this. I am just STUNNED at all the people who have jumped on the Trump-what-the-hell-are-his-policies- but-liberal-ones bandwagon…

          And Marge, you are so right, I cannot abide Juan Williams. I particularly LOVE when he starts talking abt the RNC as being comprised of a bunch of old white men when BOTH of his sons are members, and one works for the RNC. WOW.

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

  6. Invisible Mikey Says:

    What a fun group to read! I’m just going to toss in a couple of clarifications, because I’ve served on a grand jury before. Grand juries do not decide trials, only whether or not there’s enough evidence to go to trial. Sometimes when you empanel such a jury, the evidence won’t lead where you expect or hope it will. The jury in Harris County was appointed at the request of Lt. Governor Dan Patrick specifically to certify there was enough evidence to prosecute PP for violating tissue donation laws. It’s not unusual for such a jury to rule “insufficient”, which isn’t exactly clearing PP, just saying a trial probably wouldn’t fly based on available evidence. What is unusual is them saying the other side broke laws, so my assumption is that the evidence of tampering (with intent to defraud) was clear and obvious.

    We don’t know that there will really be a trial of the CMP principles, only that existing evidence favors a finding of fact that they broke laws, while PP didn’t. IF convicted (a big if) of the felony of tampering with a governmental record, the sentence is up to 20 years. I’m betting Lt. Gov. Patrick is regretting having started this.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks for your comment, Invisible Mikey. I appreciate it!

      Yes, I understand that a Grand Jury ruling is to determine whether or not there is sufficient evidence to proceed to a trial. My problems with this decision are enumerated above, especially that one of the indictments has to do with the purchase of human organs, but no similar indictment for the PURVEYORS of those human organs, PP. That is to say, it is a bit disconcerting that the person who brought all of this PP activity to light is indicted while PP is essentially being let off the hook.

      The other major problem I have with this is the very real, and extremely close, connections one of the prosecutors has to PP. She should have had to recuse herself from this case. Someone who is a fudraiser for PP and who sits on a board of an affiliated agency has no business presenting the case against someone who revealed just what PP was/is doing.

      Oh, and one more problem with this indictment as Judge Napolitano mentioned – they have not released the reasons for the indictment yet. That is apparently very unusual. Check out the Judge’s comments starting around the one minute mark:

      I appreciate your expertise on Grand Juries, IM – thank you!

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        One other note – Judge Napolitano said for the witnesses in a case to end up being charged was startling (not his word). Apparently, that is most unusual. Yet, that is what happened in this case. As he noted, this was a political hit job. I am inclined to agree.

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    De Blasio blames Queens residents for snowplow nightmare

    Is this clown for real?

  8. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    The Hill has an article abt how Republican rivals are finally fighting back against The Donald, particularly Cruz on “eminent domain,” since Trump tried to buy out a widow’s property for a parking lot. Trump claimed it was the “dumbest attack” (what else), and claimed that if she wanted it so badly, FINE:

    But that isn’t what really happened. She fought in court and won:

    Uh, yeah…

  9. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    This says it all abt Trump: Trump said he was putting Fox on notice that they can’t treat him like just another candidate.

    “The point is with me, they’re dealing with somebody that’s a little bit different,” he said. “They can’t toy with me like they toy with everybody else, so let them have their debate and let’s see how they do with their ratings.” (

    Such arrogance and petulance. I would be DELIGHTED if this narcissist stayed away from the debate.

    All because Megyn Kelly had the audacity to ask him a real question. Never mind that he stopped to name calling and vulgarity afterward, he is going to try and play victim – AGAIN. Sadly, his supporters will agree with him all the way…

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