Oh, Please, Please, Please Don’t Show Up! Fingers Crossed… *Open Thread*

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Yes, I am speaking to Donald Trump. As you no doubt have heard, Donald Trump has declined attending Thursday night’s debate in Iowa because that mean old Megyn Kelly is going to be one of the moderators. Yes, Trump refuses to come because of such horrible treatment by Fox (please – they give him more free ad time than even he could buy). Unbelievable.

As a reminder, here is the exchange between Megyn Kelly, who moderated the first debate (and who was sick as a dog that night), and Donald Trump:

That question, and Kelly having the AUDACITY to ask it of Trump, is why he is not going to come. Never mind that it actually gave him a decent opportunity to address something that will most assuredly be an opening for attack by Democrats. Never mind that he made it worse by singling out Rosie O’Donnell, or even MUCH worse by then confirming the very issue Kelly was giving him the opportunity to address by referring to her as a “bimbo,” and worse. Those attacks simply proved her point, as did his subsequent refusals to apologize for his attacks on her.

Wow. And he wants to be Commander in Chief? I think the following making the rounds on Facebook sums it up well:

No. Kidding.

Trump was trying to play the victim card while simultaneously trying to bully and blackmail Fox, all while continuing his attacks on Megyn Kelly. From The Hill:

[…] At the press conference, Trump called Kelly a “lightweight” and said she’s “not a reporter.”

 But he said that the final straw was Fox News’ response to his threat to sit out the debate. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

 

By Fox News sticking by its decision to have Megyn Kelly as a moderator despite Trump’s threats to strong arm them and not appear, I have more respect for them, and even less (if that was possible) for Trump. In fact, they were very strong in their support of Kelly, and claimed that the Trump campaign was threatening Kelly. From The Hill:

Fox News is firing back at Donald Trump for the Republican presidential front-runner’s decision to skip Thursday night’s debate, accusing Trump’s campaign manager of threatening anchor Megyn Kelly.

“In a call on Saturday with a Fox News executive, [Corey Lewandowski] stated that Megyn had a ‘rough couple of days after that last debate’ and he ‘would hate to have her go through that again,’ ” the Fox News statement said.

“Lewandowski was warned not to level any more threats, but he continued to do so. We can’t give in to terrorizations toward any of our employees.”

Megyn Kelly was having none of it, either:

[…] Earlier Tuesday, Kelly herself hit Trump for calling her a “lightweight” and a “third-rate reporter,” telling the billionaire businessman that he will not convince her to step aside as moderator.

[…]

“The truth is, he doesn’t get to control the media, and while he’s made his position clear about me after that first debate, Roger Ailes made his position clear too: I’ll be there.” (Click here to read the rest.)

No, Trump doesn’t get to control everything, including who is moderating a debate lest he get asked real questions. He is not the boss of Fox News, after all, and certainly not of Megyn Kelly.

I guess next, he will just sue them like he does everyone else – except his hairdresser (h/t Facebook friend). I wouldn’t put it past him.

I just hope and pray that he means it and will stay away. It will make it a far more enjoyable debate for the seventy percent of us who are NOT Trump supporters. I have no doubt those supporters who wouldn’t care if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, as he claimed, will boycott Fox. They are already pushing that demand, as a friend had on Facebook:

Fine with me. I have no doubt that some folks will be tuning in BECAUSE Trump isn’t on the stage. That kind of childish, “I’m taking my marbles and going home!” mentality is singularly incongruous with the position Trump seeks.

And hey, maybe now the other candidates will be asked real questions about their positions and priorities, and not constantly being asked to respond to some inanity Trump said. Wouldn’t THAT be something? I hope, hope, hope that is that case, and that Trump is good on his word. Hey, he said he doesn’t play game, so I reckon he won’t be. And seriously, he said that in the statement released about his decision:

[…] “Unlike the very stupid, highly incompetent people running our country into the ground, Mr. Trump knows when to walk away,” the statement said. “Roger Ailes and FOX News think they can toy with him, but Mr. Trump doesn’t play games.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

AHAHAHA, that is funny, isn’t it? Trump doesn’t play games. Yeah, right. Crack me up…

I realize we are all still talking about Trump with this latest stunt of his, but I truly do hope this will mean a more substantive debate Thursday night than we have had of late. We deserve that, don’t we?

That’s what I think. How about you? This is an Open Thread.

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41 Responses to “Oh, Please, Please, Please Don’t Show Up! Fingers Crossed… *Open Thread*”

  1. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I’m really liking Dana Loesch: http://www.ijreview.com/2016/01/523384-dana-loesch-announces-who-she-will-endorse-in-the-gop-primary/

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Me too. Now I suppose Trump and the Trumpkins will be calling her a bimbo too. That seems to be their standard response to any woman that doesn’t get in line. And isn’t it amazing how the Trumpkins, who hold him to no standards at all, are suddenly concerned with the standards of FOX News, Megyn Kelly and anyone else that dares no be a Trump supporter? See a bit of Obot type hypocrisy there?

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Oh, yeah – Trump said he wasn’t going to call her a “bimbo” now, but instead is attacking her credibility as a journalist. Yeah, okay.

        US News and World Report has more on this calling it, “Trump’s Misogynistic Meltdown“::

        Trump is boycotting the debate at least in part because it’s co-moderated by Megyn Kelly, a Fox News anchor he feels personally slighted him in the first Republican primary debate in August. Kelly’s crime? She asked Trump to account for his temperament, given his practice of condemning women with whom he disagreed as “fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals.”

        A subsequent months-long meltdown ensued – Trump lashing out and stomping his feet in protest that a woman had the gall to publicly reference his previous disparaging attacks against women. (Let’s pause for a moment and savor how Trump’s incessant whining serves only to verify the sexist nature he’s so desperate to deny.)

        At the debate, Trump initially reacted by threatening Kelly, saying, “I’ve been very nice to you, although I could probably maybe not be based on the way you have treated me.” He later not-so-subtly claimed that Kelly must have had “blood coming out of her wherever” to ask him such questions. And he’s repeatedly revived his assaults on her in the months since, publicly slamming her without provocation: In September, he dismissed her as a “bimbo” unqualified to host a news program; the next month, he accused her of spinning poll numbers to make him seem less popular.

        While Trump has threatened to boycott debates before, he’s never pulled the trigger. He threatened to demand $5 million from CNN to appear at its December debate, after considering demanding a ransom in September in exchange for his debate participation. Again in October, Trump publicly pondered ordering CNBC to alter the rules of its debate in exchange for his appearance. But he didn’t make good on those threats, and ended up standing on stage all three times.

        What’s different now? A female moderator he feels disrespected him.

        No kidding. I don’t care if he is trying to claim points for being Non-PC, to talk abt a woman the way he has not just Kelly but other women, is the height of sexism, not to mention just vulgar. That so many women are allowing him to get away with his derogatory behavior is mind boggling, yet they continue to defend him. WOW.

        • mcnorman Says:

          I have a problem with Kelly. I like her, but I seriously take issue with propping Michael Moore to pinata bat Trump. This makes her look just as bad. I don’t have a pony in the race. I just know that it won’t be a Dem. I don’t like any of this. To be honest, I didn’t like that Ailes tweet about being Trump being thin skinned either. It all smacks of incredible unprofessionalism.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            I didn’t see the segment with Moore, but Kelly DOES interview all kinds of people. I don’t know that she is the one who arranges the guests for each show, but I kinda doubt it. I imagine her producers have more to do with that than she does, but I could be wrong.

            And I am of the opinion that after a candidate has made repeated derogatory comments abt one of the moderators/journalists all because she asked a LEGITIMATE question of him months ago, has threatened, bullied, and tried to intimidate her, the network, and the owner of the network into removing her, essentially strong arming them, he has set HIMSELF up to be a pinata.

            Honestly, the things Trump has said, the way he has conducted himself, the blackmail, the arm twisting, the childishness, all of that would not be tolerated if it was anyone else, and it shouldn’t be tolerated from Trump, either.

            Um, Trump Tweets assholic stuff out abt people ALL THE TIME. And he IS thin-skinned, more so than Obama, and that is saying something. Should Ailes have said it? Maybe not, and I get your point abt professionalism, but it is understandable that he would have had it up to here after the relentless attacks by Trump on Kelly and Fox. Why hold Ailes to a higher standard than someone who wants to be President?

            • mcnorman Says:

              Make no mistake, I find all of this as gross as a kiddie fight in the middle school cafeteria. I know that they all have a stake in their work, but the lines for professionalism have now been blurred to nothing. Let’s not forget that the RNC took issue with MSNBC moderators as well. I read elsewhere that it is high time that the League of Women Voters should moderate these debates. I want unbiased questions asked. I don’t want audiences stacked either. We already have one popularity vote winner, and we don’t need another.

            • mcnorman Says:

              I don’t think Donald should show up. I think it would be prudent to have the rest actually not talk about Trump and show their true colors. That would be best but my suspicions are that this was going to be another directed Trumpfest revival, much due to the revenue generated by adverts.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I totally hear you on that, mcnorman. We do need impartial moderators, but like I said, I didn’t see anything wrong with Kelly’s question then or now. I thought it was a tremendous overreaction on Trump’s part. It was a perfect set up question for him, and gave him a great opportunity, How he decided to handle it should have been informative for everyone.

        And while I take your point abt the RNC and other moderators, I think there is a HUGE difference between MSNBC moderators and Megyn Kelly. They are not even in the same ballpark. That wasn’t just one candidate trying to dictate to a network who they could, and could not, have as a moderator, either. Totally different scenario, I think.

        Bottom line, I want a real debate with the candidates, one that enables us to know their policies and all, but also a way to see how they conduct themselves. While Obama may have diminished the Presidency with his actions, that does not mean we have to continue down this path. We need someone who will restore it to a place of dignity, decorum, power, and sobriety. IMO, that is.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Oops, sorry, just saw your other comment! I truly hope it will be substantive. I hope that the moderators will not continue to push the “Trump said this” narrative ad nauseum, and allow the candidates to show us who they are. Wouldn’t that be something?!

          • mcnorman Says:

            Well, it might just be a snoozefest if they can’t handle Trump being a no show. Yeb is very happy because he won’t have to take a one line hit from Trump tonight. LOL

        • mcnorman Says:

          Sorry forgot about what impartial means to me…I don’t think that moderators should be fueling a cage match. It’s not just about MK. If the moderators would just stick to what the candidates say and force them to own it, that would make me happy. Instead, I hear a lot of you said, but he said questions. It’s more of a gotcha game. That said, they all play the same way because ratings means advert money. The more, the merrier. I don’t think that the MK exchange hurt Fox at all. If anything, it brought more into watch the next exchange. I guess that is why I am not running any network, right? LOL

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            LOL – kinda wish you were, mcnorman! Have you considered it?! 🙂

            I SO agree with you. I hate those “gotcha” questions, and truly wish they would stick to the issues, what candidates say and holding them accountable for their comments (which is what I thought Kelly did in the first place). There IS a way to do that without trying to “get” someone. Ask a respectful question, hard hitting as it may be, and allow the candidate to answer without trying to make them look bad. Let the VOTER decide, not have the moderator try to show off how superior they are the way a lot of moderators act (not talking abt Fox).

            I hope you are right that this does help Fox since the Trump people are pushing so hard for a boycott. I think that would say something.

            Anyway – thank you for your comment, mcnorman.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      YES!!! I swear, I constantly have Trumpkins claim, “but he is up in the polls, that is why he gets all this time!” When has a candidate – not the nominee, a CANDIDATE – gotten the same kind of time Trump has gotten? Never.

      And since they are so fond of their polls, they seem to conveniently forget that in every head-to-head, Trump LOSES to Clinton. Is it any wonder the MSM is pushing him?

  3. piper Says:

    Yes, people will initially rally to any bully especially after the passive aggressive behavior of Obama and his obots. Hopefully voters will wake up and realize that Trump is the same side of the coin as Obama and will do no better under a Trump presidency than our current office golfer.
    Trump wants to dominate everyone especially women which can be seen by his words /actions – he regards them just like Muslim men that they should be subservient and bow to their every command. Although he prefers them to be much younger then himself and obviously sexy, he probably uses his position and money to control their every action. If they act out, he’ll just trade them in for a younger and newer model.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Excellent points, piper. He is a bully, and people seem to have mistaken his tough, crass, vulgar, talk for strength and action. He has made quite clear by his reactions, not just during the campaign but throughout his business career, how childish and petulant he is.

      I am SO glad that Megyn Kelly said he does not control Fox or the choice of moderators. And no doubt, that burns Trump up that this woman has the AUDACITY to stand up to him.

      I did see one person at Facebook say she was disappointed in him, but others continue to defend him and attack Kelly. Sad, that…

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

    Isn’t this the clown that’s always calling other people racist?

    Oh Boy: Chris Matthews Says ‘Nobody Cares’ About Watching a Debate Between ‘The Two Cuban Guys’

    “Who’s going to watch a debate between the two Cuban guys? Who’s gonna watch a debate between Rubio, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz? Who cares!” Matthews said on his show Tuesday night.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/01/27/oh-boy-chris-matthews-says-nobody-cares-about-a-debate-between-two-cuban-guys-n2110670

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Are you KIDDING me with this?! Wow. Just wow. It never ceases to amaze me the crap these people say, and get away with saying.

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    Feehery: The rise of the misinformed voter and Donald Trump

    Nothing in this election makes logical sense. Not the polls. Not the rise of Trump on the right or Bernie Sanders on the left. Not the issue-less campaign that values entertainment more than facts, celebrity more than experience.

    But maybe logic has nothing to do it.

    Trump’s rivals have attacked the tycoon, calling him a jerk for making fun of a handicapped journalist, a bully and a racist for his plans to ban all Muslims. They have attacked his policy proposals for being unworkable. But none of this seems to matter. His polls numbers have gone up, not down.

    Maybe that’s because to Trump’s supporters, the facts don’t matter. They have their opinions and by God they are going to defend them.

    James Madison once said, “Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.”

    That proposition is being put to the test in this election cycle.

    http://thehill.com/opinion/john-feehery/266941-john-feehery-the-rise-of-the-misinformed-voter-and-donald-trump

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That pretty much says it all, Marge. Facts don’t matter. They just don’t. I am shocked to see the number of people with whom I was friends embracing Donald no matter what he says or does. They are SO quick to defend him too, no matter what the evidence shows. It is just astonishing. It is 2008 all over again…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Exactly! Trumpkins = Obots IMO. And when you accuse them of it they are irate.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Oh, that they are. They refuse to see it even as they laud Trump’s every utterance, confirming precisely what he said abt what he could do and still keep them as supporters. That alone should have been enough to wake them out of it. But no..

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  6. kenoshamarge Says:

  7. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Abt Michael Moore being on, it seems he has a new documentary coming out. Kelly did call him “provocative” twice in her intro to his appearance. And HE is the one who brought up the whole Trump thing, not Kelly. Every time he brought it up, she asked him to move on:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I don’t like Michael Moore and wouldn’t watch an interview with him but I do think it shows that she is willing to talk to anyone. Isn’t that what a journalist is supposed to do?

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        It was the first time she had met him, apparently. I am assuming that since this documentary release was planned, the interview had been, too. I thought she handled him very well, and refused to let him steer the discussion to the whole Trump matter. That is what Moore wanted, not Kelly, and she wouldn’t have it. Politely of course, but also firmly…

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      • mcnorman Says:

        Can’t stand this hypocrite. I find him to be as vile as the Sharpton race baiters. The timing is suspicious to me. Like I said, I have no pony in this race. I am just tired of the phony behavior. The msm has been playing with the public for decades, long before 2008. I think that has much to do with how I feel about all of this. 😦

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I can appreciate that you find it suspicious, but like I said, he has a documentary coming out, she had never met him before, and I imagine these things are set up some time in advance.

          Be that as it may, I have little use for Michael Moore, but I did think Kelly handled him well, and she did not let him change the subject. She was polite, friendly, but firm, I thought, anyway.

          But yeah, he’s vile.

  8. GinaR Says:

    I am SO glad little Donny won’t be at the debates. Maybe now the adults (assuming the moderators don’t go all “what do you think about Trump’s actions” with the questions) can actually have a real conversation about the issues. He’s a typical bully…petulant, childish, thin-skinned, narcissistic, and cowardly. His vulgar and crude language is not un-PC, it’s demeaning, ridiculing, and controlling. Again, the behavior of a bully. While his Trumpkinbots will blindly shower accolades upon him no matter what he does or says, I pray that the 70% of conservatives who DON’T support coalesce around one candidate (preferably Ted Cruz) and kick Trump to the curb.

    As for Kelly having Michael Moore on her show, so what? She has lots of people on her show, including members of CAIR. And, while I dislike Moore intensely and think he’s a moronic jackass, he behaved well and I actually enjoyed their banter. Doesn’t make me like him any more, but kudos to Kelly for keeping Moore in line and maintaining her professionalism (Moore did get a bit creepy with the taking-her-out-to-dinner stuff!).

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Exactly, Gina. One can be non-PC and still have a sense of manners and respect. Trump has not demonstrated that at any turn. He calls Kelly names, Cruz names, anyone who gets in his way names. It is a matter of having enough restraint and decorum to not lash out like a bully on a schoolyard. He doesn’t have that.

      I agree completely abt Kelly. I thought she was very professional and while friendly to Moore, definitely held him at arm’s length, especially during that particularly creepy dinner thing. EWWWWWW!

      Yeah, he’s a jackass, but she handled him very well, refusing to get drawn into his attempts to sidetrack the conversation.

      It is her job, after all, to interview all kinds of people, and I seriously doubt they decided to call in Michael Moore out of the clear blue sky last night. I imagine with a documentary coming out, this was already set. Regardless, she is a consummate professional, IMO.

  9. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Ruh roh – seems Pelosi isn’t “feeling the Bern”: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/267236-pelosi-distances-dems-from-sanderss-plan-to-raise-taxes

  10. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Greg Gutfeld just had a RIGHTEOUS rant abt the threat levied at Megyn Kelly by the Trump Campaign. The one downside is that Juan Williams is of the same opinion. But hey – even Juan can be right ONCE in a while, like a broken clock. Once the video is up, I’ll post it, but IMO, it is a must-see.

  11. mcnorman Says:

    Unhappiness at Camp Bernie…he’s a bit worried about the fix being in and it is not for him.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/sanders-campaign-suspicious-corporate-influence-iowa-caucus

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