The First Primary Is Upon Us *Open Thread*


Today is the New Hampshire Primary, the first Primary in the country. At this point, Trump is still considered to be the frontrunner, but there has been a lot of movement among the candidates. Heck, even John Kasich is polling well in NH. So there is just no telling how things are going to turn out, especially since the polls were SO wrong in the Iowa Caucuses. You’d think people would stop treating them like Gospel, but no…

Anyway, the candidates have been having all kinds of Townhalls in NH, letting the people there get to know them a bit. I keep hearing how the people of NH take their civic duty very seriously. That’s good. They should. But what are they saying about the rest of us? That we are a bunch of yahoos who DON’T care about what the candidates have to say (well, Trump supporters may not care about all of the contradictions, but others notice)? They may be right about some areas, but then again, when you have so many people supporting Bernie Sanders in NH, one young couple because he is just so cute (according to AB Stoddard who overheard them say this as she noted on “Special Report” Monday night), I don’t really think they deserve quite such lofty sentiments ascribed to them. But that’s just me.

And just when you think that the Primaries being upon us will winnow down the field, it seems there is one more potential Presidential candidate about to jump in. That would be Mayor Michael Bloomberg. From the NY Times (via Legal Insurrection):


Mr. Bloomberg said he was “looking at all the options” in the election and lamented the state of the race. “I find the level of discourse and discussion distressingly banal and an outrage and an insult to the voters,” Mr. Bloombergtold the paper.

The comments are Mr. Bloomberg’s first public expression of interest in the presidential race, but aides acting on his instructions have already drawn up detailed plans for a possible campaign.

The former mayor’s deliberations are about to enter a decisive phase: His aides said he intended to make a final call on the presidential race by early March, and planned to take a fresh round of polling after the New Hampshire primary to gauge the viability of a campaign. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Oh, boy. That’s all we need – another self-funding billionaire in the race. But at least Bloomberg has the experience of running a major city, so there is that. That decision won’t come until after this Primary, and a few others (including South Carolina), so not sure how that would end up.

But for now, all eyes are on New Hampshire and who is going to end up on top. The Hill has seven things at which to watch, a few of them listed below:


Is Trump for real?

New Hampshire will serve as a crucial litmus test of Trump’s poll numbers as he looks to rebound from an upset in Iowa.

The Hawkeye State dealt a blow to Trump when Ted Cruz edged him out for a victory in the state’s caucuses. But the two had been polling neck-and-neck in the days ahead of the contest, so Cruz’s victory didn’t come out of nowhere.


That means a defeat would be devastating and create serious doubt about Trump’s ability to translate high poll numbers into votes, a concern that could cripple his candidacy.

But on the flip side, a win would help the real estate magnate regain his form, establishing him as a bona fide threat to win the nomination and silencing his doubters.

Can Rubio recapture his mojo?

Coming out of Iowa, many asked whether Rubio could leverage his strong third-place finish — 1 point behind Trump — into a decisive win in New Hampshire that would anoint him as the chosen establishment candidate to challenge Trump and Cruz.


The question remains: Can Rubio overcome a tough night and get back on track toward a second-place finish in New Hampshire.

Finishing behind only Trump could do just that. But if he falters, his debate performance is likely to take the blame.

Will their focus on New Hampshire pay dividends for the governors?

The three current and former governors in the GOP race — Christie, Jeb Bush and John Kasich — have all hinged their primary hopes on New Hampshire, putting them in competition with each other for the same more-centrist voters.

So far, Kasich is in third place in the RealClearPolitics average of New Hampshire polling, with 13 percent. Bush is in fifth, with 10.5 percent, and Christie lags behind in sixth, with 5.3 percent.

None is polling close to Trump’s lead, but Kasich, Cruz and Bush were all within just a few percentage points of Rubio as of late Monday afternoon. […] (Click here to read the rest.)


There is much more to this piece, including who will drop out after this race, how Clinton will do, as well as some other issues for which to watch. It won’t be dull, is my bet, regardless of the outcome.

But there is a word of caution for these candidates as they go after one another and tout their policies. Thomas Sowell writes about, “Toxic Words,” and raises some great points. Sowell writes:

During this election year, we are destined to hear many words that are toxic in the way they misrepresent reality and substitute fantasies that can win votes.

One of these words is “entitlement.” To hear some politicians tell it, we are all entitled to all sorts of things, ranging from “affordable housing” to “a living wage.”

But the reality is that the human race is not entitled to anything, not even the food we need to stay alive. If we don’t produce food, we are just going to starve. If we don’t build housing, then we are not going to have housing, “affordable” or otherwise. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Amen to that, but try and tell these Socialist-wannabes (who don’t even know what the word means, as The Federalist Staff highlights in this good piece), as well as others who fall into this trap.  In any event, Sowell offers a good word of caution for these candidates.

That’s it for me. This is an Open Thread, and feel free to discuss the NH Primary, or whatever other news of the day is grabbing you.



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32 Responses to “The First Primary Is Upon Us *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    I loved that Sowell piece!

    And just to wax nostalgic…

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Sowell is just so eloquent in his opinions, isn’t he? A joy to read, that is for sure!

      Oh, my – yes, I remember those days…

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    ‘YOU LIE!’ vindicated? New Senate report reveals illegal immigrants DID get millions in Obamacare subsidies

    Obama lied? No surprise there. Just one of the many.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, how very well I remember Wilson saying that, and being demonized for it. Gee, looks like he was right. Shocking, I know, that Obama lied again. And that hundreds of millions of our hard earned tax dollars gave ins. to illegal aliens.

      So sick of this crap…

      • mcnorman Says:

        And he will continue to lie. Living on the border in a sanctuary city, this is ALL that we have seen since the Dems are in charge. It has never changed.

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      This was in our paper today! That really does say it all, doesn’t it?

      As does the fact that all these kids supporting him have NO IDEA what he means abt a “political revolution” for this country. That scares the crap out of me whenever he says that and all the young people cheer loudly. WOW.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I don’t think Hillary’s cause, especially with young women, by having old feminists like Gloria Steinem telling them that only “boy-crazy” girls support him. Madeleine Albright telling them they’re going to hell for not supporting Hillary isn’t going to resonate a whole lot with young women who were still in grammar school when the was SoS. It seems to me this is only reinforcing the idea that the Dems are the party of old people.

        And I don’t know if any of you have seen the videos of Bill Clinton campaigning in NH in his checked shirt but it seemed to me that much of that old “magic” is gone.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Oh, yeah – it seems this young generation isn’t buying what Hillary, Gloria, and Madeleine are selling. Of course, all those people on stage with Hillary and Madeleine were laughing it up. Still, the times they have a-changed, and that goes for Bill, too…

  4. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Oh, boy – the ICE plot thickens with this revelation:

    What the hell has Obama done to this country?!?

    • mcnorman Says:

      He has placed us on a fast paced wrecking ball. He didn’t begin this, but he sure did accelerate it.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Indeed he has, mcnorman. It is stunning to read what happened to this ICE agent, how someone with a stellar career had it tuned on its head for having the AUDACITY to really do her job. Our country is so screwed up. We MUST have a decent nominee for whom to vote…

        • mcnorman Says:

          I will vote for anyone other than a third Dem term for zero via HRC or Bernie. Really, anyone…if they offer a cow with a GOP stickie, that would get my vote I am so angry with what the Dems have done.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            LOL, mcnorman! Well, I would vote for a cow – I love cows! My great-grandfather was a dairy farmer, after all! 🙂 Horse, of course (!). Yep – there are any number of animals they could slap a GOP sticker on and get my vote. 🙂

  5. foxyladi14 Says:

    I hope Carly does good today. 🙂

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    Can Rubio Follow Romney’s Path to the Nomination?

    Is Marco Rubio a conservative who wants to overthrow the GOP establishment or a potential standard-bearer for party pragmatists? He’s trying to be both, of course.

    That strategy has been tried before – by Mitt Romney. And it worked, sort of. The question now, after Rubio’s debate performance on Saturday night, is whether Rubio can pull it off.

    Although Mitt Romney was not my 1st choice or even my 2nd, once he was the candidate I supported him and voted for him. I thought, and still think, he’s a good man who would have been a good president. I still think Anne would have fought harder and longer than Mitt did.

    If Rubio is like Romney, are we going down the same road to loss again? Will those that think Rubio will betray them on immigration after his dance with McCain and the Gang of Eight vote for him?

    I would have to hold my nose really hard and remind myself of the things the left does when they have power. Even that wouldn’t work enough to make me vote for Trump.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Great points abt Romney and Rubio, Marge. I definitely think Romney would have been a good President, and being a decent person is no small thing. He would have restored decorum to the White House, and Ann would have been a terrific First Lady. Oh, what should have been…

      He wasn’t my first choice, either, but I grew to really respect him and like him. And oh, how many times have we wished he had won…

      But if Reps lose this time, there seems to be no hope for them. Seriously – against Clinton or Sanders, it should be a CAKE walk. It should not even be close, especially when a Socialist is calling for a Revolution in this country. That should scare plenty of people – those who have an understanding of history, at least.

      And yeah – I can’t hold my nose tightly enough to vote for Trump…

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

  8. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Check out our Governor, Nikki Haley. She wrote this at Facebook: Today we followed up on a letter sent to Sec. Moniz and filed a lawsuit against the Dept. of Energy for failing to meet a Jan. 1 deadline to remove 1 metric ton of plutonium from South Carolina. This is not a surprise to Pres. Obama or Sec. Moniz. The contractual penalty owed to SC is $1 million dollars per day until they support their end of the deal. We have made it clear that “a deal is a deal”. We will not be a dumping ground and we will not allow this agreement to be broken. ‪#‎SCStrong‬

    And she provided this link:

    That’s how Gov. Haley rolls!

  9. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Ahahaha – this is fantastic. Good for the Supreme Court:

  10. kenoshamarge Says:

    Trump and Bernie won – I want to throw up. I think I’ll lay off politics for a couple of days. My disgust with what is happening in this country is literally making me sick.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      It is truly appalling, isn’t it, Marge?? What in the a HELL is happening to our country?

      And I understand abt needing to take a break. Truly. You will be missed, but I totally get it.

      It all makes me want to take a break, too…

      Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Got a grip this morning. Reminded myself that this was just one little state that voted for Obama – twice. I guess the thought of the smugness of Trump and the Trumpkins just overwhelmed me momentarily. I’ll be around. Have to go to the hospital again this morning for my daily breathing treatment but I’ll be back. Only 3 to go – yay!

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I completely understand though, Marge. I am trying to console myself, too, that those who have won NH most recently did NOT win the nomination.Take Clinton, for instance! I just hope that SC comes to its senses!

          Oh, good – so glad you only have 3 more to go. I have to go in next week for an epidural on my back. My spine ortho wants me to have two injections to see if it helps. Otherwise, it is a big time, major surgery I would rather not have…

  11. kenoshamarge Says:

    Stole this comment from Twitchy:

    “Trump is going to fix America!”

    “OK, how?”

    “Because he’s a billionaire, he knows how to get things done!”

    “OK, but what exactly is he going to do?”

    “Go away RINO.”

    That pretty much sums up every conversation I’ve had with a Trump supporter.

  12. helenk3 Says:

    the lessons of engineering for social engineers

    a really good article

  13. piper Says:

    As a teacher, I always taught my students to be gracious winners, being courteous and kind in winning and in defeat but yesterday after seeing Trump win by a big margin, I became a crabby curmudgeon wondering about the voters who voted for lofty words and sound bites without any detailed articulated plans. How could people vote for another slick salesman after 7 years of Obama.

    Don’t know how people feel about Bloomberg, but I want him to enter the race just to shake up and out the Trumpkins who are running on empty promises from a bombastic blowheart.

    Time for me to retreat to my safe corner with a warm blankie to soothe my oowies like Linus.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      LOL, I hear you, piper! And love the image – I know just how you feel!

      That’s the thing – I don’t think Trump’s words are even that lofty! “Crass” and “vulgar” fit better for me with some bullying thrown in there, too. It just astounds me that people would rather PUNISH the establishment than get someone in there who could really do some good. Yet that kind of vindictiveness seems to be driving them to support Trump.

      As for Sanders, free stuff and more free stuff seems to be working well…

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