Sanders And Trump Winners; Americans Losers *Open Thread*


The results from New Hampshire are in, and they are revealing. First, of course, are the winners: Sanders on the Socialist side, and Trump on the Angry People Side. Both are more than a tad disconcerting, and I will get to that more in a second.

There is a bit of good news in the results, though. And that has to do with Sen. Ted Cruz. Yes, Cruz came in third, but Cruz spent VERY little money in New Hampshire. In fact, he spent the lowest amount of any of the candidates, only $18 – Eighteen – per vote. Compare that to Gov. Jeb Bush who spent $1,200 per vote. Heck, even Donald Trump paid $40 a vote, and he got essentially unlimited air time – STILL – by the media. That bodes VERY well for Cruz with my state, South Carolina, coming up next on Feb. 20th.

Of course, the losers are  Gov. Christie, Carson, Fiorina, and Rubio. Rubio was affected by Christie’s attacks on him, and the media’s relentless airing of those few minutes of the debate ignoring the rest of Rubio’s very good performance. And now Christie is taking a step back to consider dropping out. Good. One bully among the candidates is bad enough; two is just bad. So yeah, go ahead Gov. Christie. Considering his low numbers in his home state, he might want to go home and shore things up there.

The other losers are Americans in general considering how well these two candidates, Sanders and Trump, are doing. It is truly disconcerting to me, and even though I know it is just one state, that they are doing SO well is disturbing. Greg Jones had a great piece in The Federalist summing up the problem well. First up, Bernie Sanders:

[…] While his proposals for free college and healthcare sound revolutionary, they are nothing more than the tax-and-spend liberalism that has defined the Democratic Party for decades, albeit on steroids. Instead of just reckless spending, he’s proposing astronomically reckless spending.

Rather than incrementally raising taxes on the people who actually fund the government and slowly but surely digging our economic grave, as Democrats are wont to do, Sanders is calling in a backhoe with a proposed $18 trillion in new spending, or America’s entire annual gross domestic product.

On the off-chance you aren’t a NASA computer and these numbers are difficult to grasp, consider this: in 2014, the U.S. government raked in just more than a record $3 trillion in revenue. Sanders wants to spend six times that, or 500 percent more, over the next decade. Given the timespan, this may not sound terrible, unless you consider that tax revenues over the past decade have only increased by roughly 50 percent. Apparently being a radical now means being radically bad at basic math.

His healthcare plan is so radical that it expands coverage via enormous tax increases. Sound familiar? That’s because President Obama did the same thing just six years ago (granted, on a smaller scale), and now millions of Americans are dealing with the repercussions in the form of rising premiums.

That’s just awesome. Because healthcare isn’t bankrupting the country enough already. And as if we aren’t already being taxed enough. Those of us paying taxes, that is. Jones added this:


Perhaps even less radical than Sanders’ traditional economic model, however, is the fact that he’s been a politician for more than three decades, the last two-and-a-half of which he has spent in Washington. Nothing says maverick like a man who has dedicated his life to DC, mingling among the establishment masses.

Sadly, the most “outside the box” aspect of Bernie’s platform may be the one-trick-pony nature of his campaign. Suddenly illegal immigration, radical Islam, Vladimir Putin, and a record national debt are no longer important enough to even merit discussion. The only thing that matters to Americans, the vast majority of whom live decent lives, is wealth inequality. That’s radical, alright. Radically naïve.

No. Kidding. It is just astonishing that so, so many of the people who support Sanders have NO IDEA what Socialism even means, yet they are all SO excited about this long time politician they have somehow convinced themselves is New! Anti-Establishment! Holy crap. How can people be so ignorant, so naive, so blind?

Sadly, we keep seeing this time and time again, especially in 2008. That trend seems to be continuing, and extends to the “Republican,” Donald Trump, too. Jones takes him on next in his Federalist piece:


Meanwhile, as he masquerades as an everyman in a truck-stop hat and five-figure suit, Trump displays the demeanor of an upset toddler. Whether he’s insulting the appearance of his female opponents, engaging in Twitter battles with daytime TV hosts, or boycotting debates because he didn’t get his way (a.k.a. taking his ball and going home), The Donald seems to permanently reside in the middle of a playground fracas. How’s that for presidential?

A cult-classic motion picture titled “Idiocracy” is quickly becoming more of a documentary than the black comedy intended. In it, people have devolved to be so dumb that they feed their plants sports drinks instead of water and elect as president a former professional wrestler and porn star. If Trump gets elected, “Idiocracy” will sadly prove to be a watershed moment in life imitating art. Hide the Gatorade.

We are told that the rise of Sanders and Trump is the result of establishment clowns who have repeatedly ignored their base. Somehow, however, in an act that literally defies every single law of nature, the radicals have managed to out-clown the clowns—the political equivalent of travelling faster than the speed of light or throwing an apple into the air, only for it to remain there. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

I am sure most of the candidates have this same reaction to the rise of both Sanders and Trump:


Uh, yeah, me either.

Those who have known me over the years would be astonished to hear me say that the Establishment people are far preferable to the “outsiders,” alleged in Sanders’ case since he has been in Politics for decades as discussed above.

I would take a Rubio or Cruz over Trump, or even Biden over Sanders (and Clinton), any day of the week. Now THAT’S saying something. Considering the options, though, there is no doubt that the more “Establishment” candidates are the only REASONABLE alternatives. Anything else would be, simply put, “Idiocracy.”

That’s what I think. How about you? This is an Open Thread.


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48 Responses to “Sanders And Trump Winners; Americans Losers *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Sadly, this seems to be the case with his supporters. It is truly stunning, and disturbing.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        And how many of them were “appalled” at Biden’s open mike language? People who fall in love with some politician cannot help themselves as they compromise their character and espouse double standards. The Dems do it all the time.

        It is so sad to see people that call themselves conservatives, which Trump is not, do the same as what they once condemned.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    ‘Priceless’: San Antonio Spurs coach reacts after finding out winners of #NHPrimary

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    I had expected both Sanders and Trump to win. But I hadn’t expected Trump to win by so much. I got that same sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach I got when Obama won. Because by his very presence in the White House we know that there are enough stupid voters to put either Trump or Sanders in the White House.

    And how about that Pander Bear Carson saying he’s be just fine with being the Donald’s VP. Ugh, there went any respect I had for him. 😦

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      True – and I know just what you mean. The media’s able assisting of both of these candidates is truly maddening, pushing them and not holding either one accountable for things they say – like Trump’s outlandish claims and Bernie’s calling for a “revolution.” It amazes me how they continue to shape politics instead of REPORTING on them.

      Uh, yeah – I am done with Carson. Once he said that, that was it. He needs to go now.

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

    Sloppy Language and Thinking

    By Walter E. Williams

    George Orwell said, “But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.” Gore Vidal elaborated on that insight, saying, “As societies grow decadent, the language grows decadent, too. Words are used to disguise, not to illuminate.” And John Milton predicted, “When language in common use in any country becomes irregular and depraved, it is followed by their ruin and degradation.” These observations bear heeding about how sloppy language is corrupting our society.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Great piece by Williams, and yes, language matters in a big way.

      I have seen black people at hockey matches, though – at least here in SC! 🙂

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    Guy Benson tweet – Most Trump sentence ever:

    “We’re going to do something so good and so fast and so strong…believe me! “

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      OHMYGOSH – yes!! That is exactly it, Marge! This is the kind of idiotic nonsense he says, and people just LAP it up!! What happened to their BRAINS?????

  6. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    They were just talking abt John Kasich a few minutes ago. He supports keeping the Iran deal AND Obamacare. No WONDER he did so well in NH. That speaks volumes, and adds to why I dislike him.

    But the way the media continues to talk is that it is a fait accompli with Trump. I sure as hell hope not, because our country will be screwed if Trump or one of the Dems takes over…

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    House Democrat Tammy Duckworth: U.S. Muslims Are Being Radicalized by Politicians Calling for Border Control

    I respect and thank Tammy Duckworth for her service. As a leader for the country, not so much. Just another blame-gaming Democrat. I don’t think Kirk can beat her in Illinois – and that’s too bad.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Are you KIDDING me?? She said that???? I respect her service and sacrifice, too, but this is just absurd. There is NO EVIDENCE to support this whatsoever. Does she think this is what is driving the burning in cages, crucifixions, beheadings, rape of women and children, and MORE, in the Middle East?? What an IDIOTIC thing to say.

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

  9. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Isn’t THIS interesting:

  10. piper Says:

    Amy, You were right about the word ‘lofty’ as there were better choices like bullying, denigrating, demeaning and etc. to describe Donald’s language. I think people like his speeches because of his non PC language which they want to use but can’t due to job, neigborhood and/or family concerns. However as we have witnessed over the past 7 years, words can be just words and mean something much different than apparent – look at all the lies Obama tells each group he speaks to – people seems to be easily taken it by words and use denial when his words don’t match his actions.

    BTW – lived and taught for many years in Minnesota where we the people elected a pro wrestler, Ventura, as our Governor who turned out to be lousy and extremely thin-skinned administrator. Why did he win – major reason the fighting / tantruming behavior of Skippy Humphrey (son of HHH) and Normie Coleman, former mayor of St. Paul who implemented user fees instead of raising city taxes to cover his programs.

    Retreating to my safe corner to read my book club selection. Will stay off several of my fav. blogs where Trumpkins are gloating over his yyyuuuuuuuge win and I want to scream at them for their foolishness at picking another loser when we need someone who has the skills and ability to lead.

    • mcnorman Says:

      You are correct Piper. Far too long has passed and many have lost their voice in the sea of political correctness. I know many 80 year olds who never used a curse word in their lives until they began losing Medicare benefits three years ago. The frustration is palpable.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I agree with mcnorman, piper – you are spot on. Yes, Trump says what so many wish they could say but are too mannered to do so. They now think of that as courageous and brave, “taking it to the Establishment,” and all that. They never stop to look at what kind of MAN Trump is. And that’s the problem. No doubt, that is how MN ended up with Ventura.

      LOL – I totally understand. I am watching the “Agent Carter” episode from last night instead of “Outnumbered…”

      • mcnorman Says:

        One very dear friend had got the news that all of us know is coming. A yearly test to identify organ issues as a result of the drugs that are being used is no longer covered by Medicare. This is a standard issue test for certain drugs. Instead, my friend was given right to die information…who said the death panels were a lie? It is these things that are causing people to go ballistic. This person was told that the test was off the table now in order to move funding to ogarbagecare. I understand completely how one feels and how the time for pc has come to an end.

        • mcnorman Says:

          When one feels so abused and discarded, time is of the essence. It no longer matters to be PC…a lifeline of any sort is sought as it is now a full blown emergency. You are correct and that is why Trump is making headway.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          The Dems did as yet another way to cover up the depravity of this law, and to attack Palin. But even Howard Dean had to admit they are very real. It seems they are already well in place.

          I am so sorry to hear abt the person who is going through this. Just terrible…

          As for Trump,t he problem is, he isn’t offering any real solutions and his very recent history as a liberal, friend to the Clintons, Reid, and Pelosi, make him just a tad untrustworthy, IMO. That he always turns things around to how great he is and that is how he is going to fix things is insufficient, no matter the language he uses.

          But get your point. People are frustrated. I am, too, and on the medical front as well after our insurance has declined in quality while going up in price/deductible/out-of-pocket expenses, but we have to pick someone who can win, first of all, and who has the wherewithal to make changes we need made. Again, IMO.

          • mcnorman Says:

            I don’t know what we are all going to do Amy. I am sickened by the feeling of having to pick the least problematic candidate. I know how you feel as well. As I have said before, this has been in the making for a very long time. Dishonorable people who lie with big smiles while shaking hands are deplorable.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            I completely understand, mcnorman. I don’t want to pick the “least problematic” one, either. At this point, it is either Cruz or Rubio for me.

            And I absolutely agree abt those liars who shake hands with big smiles.

            This should have been so much easier – so much easier a path for a good Rep. to the White House. What a bizarre campaign season…

  11. kenoshamarge Says:

    Geraldo Rivera says ‘nasty pr*ck’ Ted Cruz showed ‘surprising resilience in NH’

    Just one more reason I stopped watching “The Five”. Any program that has Geraldo on will not have me as a viewer. And when you don’t have to gag at the sight and sound of Geraldo, they give you Juan Williams. Ugh.

    Is Geraldo so stupid he doesn’t see the irony of what he wrote?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      You have got to be joking – Rivera said that?! I absolutely CANNOT stand him anyway, but his Trump-obsession is appalling, especially the way he ignores facts, and levies attacks on others.

      I’m thinking Ben Domenech needs to have a few words with Rivera too, the same way he did with Jesse Watters:

      Yeah, I am watching a whole lot less of Fox these days. I felt compelled to write this at “America’s Newsroom” this morning:

      I am just curious abt when the “Fair and Balanced” reporting is going to start abt the candidates. When Cruz won Iowa, the majority of the conversation was abt Trump taking second. Cruz was not on the air constantly as the SURPRISE winner of that contest. Nope, Trump was. Fox allowed Trump to take the momentum by making his ridiculous, unfounded charges, including that HE was actually the winner, and thus having all the focus back on him. And now that he has won NH – how could he not with the astonishing free air time Fox (and other) outlets have given him – everyone is acting as if winning ONE STATE is a fait accompli and he will be the nominee. Meanwhile, Fox assisted Christie in his attempt to take down Rubio, focusing on three minutes of a lengthy debate rather than any of the OTHER answers Rubio gave. The bias is making it harder and harder to watch this network. Trump cannot help but be the frontrunner with all the free ad time he is given by this network. Let’s try that “fair and balanced” thing, whaddya say?”

      They allow Christie to go after Rubio relentlessly, airing that little clip, and then claim Rubio lost his mojo going into NH and didn’t do well. Gee, wonder WHY?! UGH…

  12. piper Says:

    Yes, especially when head is stuck permanently up his behind.

  13. helenk3 Says:

    bernie to meet al sharpton before going to NC.

    so it has come to this, a race baiting, tax avoiding cheat is the go to guy for the democrats.

    what an insult to the hard working, tax paying self respecting black voter in this country

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      When I heard last night that Bernie was meeting with the massive tax cheat and fraud, Al, I was just disgusted. Talk abt pandering. And yet, Sanders’ people keep talking abt how principled he is. What a crock…

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  14. helenk3 Says:

    Christi dropping out of race

    • helenk3 Says:

      so is Carly

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I just saw that. Makes me sad. I wish she had continued on, but I understand why she isn’t. It is too bad – she would make a great President, but the way things are shaping up, especially wi the relentless drumbeat of Trump’s inevitability, the more the field is narrowed, the better to be able to get behind someone who is better suited for the Office.

        Dang it…

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    • mcnorman Says:

      I don’t think this is the end for Carly or Christie.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I hope it isn’t for Fiorina. I imagine Christie will want to keep his job as Governor if he can…

        • mcnorman Says:

          Honestly, I feel that she will be utilized in some capacity. 1%-2% is insignificant in these primaries, but it also indicates that the voice has a place.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            Oh, she did a bit better than that – 4% in NH, and beat Kasich and Christie in Iowa, while tying Bush. So yeah, clearly she was resonating with people. Had she not had to fight for what others were given, and gotten more air time, I think she would have done better.

            All in all, there was such a great field this time around, and so many food ones, like Walker, dropped out so soon. It just astounds me to see how the media coalesces around certain people and really drives opinions. Disturbing, to be sure…

  15. kenoshamarge Says:

    Hillary’s henchwomen have a dirty secret

    Over years, New Hampshire earned its reputation for upending conventional wisdom, but the 2016 campaign is also leaving another legacy. When Madeleine Albright and Gloria Steinem tried to shame and bully young women into supporting Hillary Clinton, they inadvertently revealed a dirty secret of the left’s fixation on gender, race and ethnicity.

    They demonstrated that hiding behind the gauzy appeals to make history is a willingness to use brass knuckles to achieve conformity. In their warped vision, biology trumps individuality, and those who don’t agree are traitors to their gender.

    Goodwin poses a challenge about Bloomberg throwing his “fat wallet” into the race:

    Amid all the heated claims that he can triumph, here’s the obvious question: What states could he win to put together even a plurality of the Electoral College?

    If that’s too tough, here’s an easier one: Name a single state he can count on winning.

    I’ll wait.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, great question from Goodwin. And yes indeed, this whole push for gender over anything else is so typical. I guess they figured race worked for Obama – twice – so why wouldn’t gender work for Hillary? Because some cranky old grandfather type has captivated these young people, among so many other things abt Hillary…

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  16. kenoshamarge Says:

    Reflections on the Panthers

    A look back at what the Black Panthers did to deserve Beyoncé’s rousing tribute at the Super Bowl.

    The Black Panther Party was born as an outgrowth of the Oakland, California street gang of Huey Newton, a 24-year-old man whose only prior discernible achievements had been as a vicious thug, thief, and pimp. To define the Panthers’ mission, Newton in 1966 drafted a Ten-Point Program charging that because America’s “racist government” had collaborated with “the capitalists” to “rob” the “Black Community” blind, that same government was now morally “obligated,” as a form of restitution, to give all blacks “employment or a guaranteed income” as well as taxpayer-funded “land, bread, housing, education, [and] clothing” until the end of time. Moreover, Newton argued that “all Black people should be released from … jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial.” He also issued a call for blacks to “arm themselves for self-defense,” which was in fact an incitement to a race war.

    As Panther “minister of culture” Emory Douglas put it in 1970: “The only way to make this racist U.S. government administer justice to the people it is oppressing, is … by taking up arms against this government, killing the officials, until the reactionary forces … are dead, and those that are left turn their weapons on their superiors.”

  17. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I just got this email from Carly Fiorina: Amy,

    From the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for everything you’ve done for this campaign. For standing with me, for fighting with me. For your generosity, for your support, and for your faith. Thank you.

    This campaign was always about citizenship—taking back our country from a political class that only serves the big, the powerful, the wealthy, and the well connected. Election after election, the same empty promises are made and the same poll-tested stump speeches are given, but nothing changes. I’ve said throughout this campaign that I will not sit down and be quiet. I’m not going to start now. While I suspend my candidacy today, I will continue to travel this country and fight for those Americans who refuse to settle for the way things are and a status quo that no longer works for them.

    Our Republican Party must fight alongside these Americans as well. We must end crony capitalism by fighting the policies that allow it to flourish. We must fix our festering problems by holding our bloated, inept government bureaucracy accountable. Republicans must stand for conservative principles that lift people up and recognize all Americans have the right to fulfill their God-given potential.

    To young girls and women across the country, I say: do not let others define you. Do not listen to anyone who says you have to vote a certain way or for a certain candidate because you’re a woman. That is not feminism. Feminism doesn’t shut down conversations or threaten women. It is not about ideology. It is not a weapon to wield against your political opponent. A feminist is a woman who lives the life she chooses and uses all her God-given gifts. And always remember that a leader is not born, but made. Choose leadership.

    As I have said to the many wonderful Americans I have met throughout this campaign, a leader is a servant whose highest calling is to unlock potential in others.

    I will continue to serve in order to restore citizen government to this great nation so that together we may fulfill our potential.

    Thank you again for all you’ve made possible.


    I really hope she is our next Sec. of State. We need someone strong and capable in that position, someone who knows and has worked with world leaders, and who can restore some dignity to that Office…

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I’ve said it before and nothing has happened to change my mind, Carly Fiorina is a class act. I wish her well.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Yes, she is indeed a class act. I hope the next President uses her vast talents.

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  18. kenoshamarge Says:

    Trying to Make Sense of the Post-New Hampshire Republican Race

    While one victory in the Granite State certainly doesn’t guarantee Trump the nomination, his significant margin (nearly 20 percent) isn’t easily dismissed. It’s becoming clear that he has a fairly high floor of support, although he could also have a lower ceiling than many of the other candidates.

    When it comes to Trump, there are two ways to look at the results and the polls. The first way is the Trump way, where the businessman is consistently leading and winning. The second way points out that between 65-70 percent, or more, of Republican voters know Trump and are voting against him or not choosing to support him in the polls; they just happened to be divided among seven other candidates.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I still say that if the media covered the other remaini candidates even a tenth as much as they give to Trump, it would be different. And if they focused more on the crap he says that is essentially nonsense, or a direct contradiction to something he said a year or so ago, it would be different. Free ad time is the big one.

      But now they Re being snarky abt the other candidates the way they were abt Trump initially. Bret BIer just made a snarky comment abt Cruz saying they better talk abt him coming in third, so they did for a few minutes with the panel, but the attitude was surprising. And that Cruz came in third having campaigned very little there or having spent very little there IS huge.

      But they are all acting like it is a done deal. Is that to keep people at home or something? Have they EVER done this so much with a nominee before after winning just one state? Unbelievable.

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