Beware “Free College,” Whose Rhetoric Is Divisive, A Real Interviewer, And Hopping *Open Thread*


Mike Rowe, he of “Dirty Jobs” and other shows (a personal favorite, “Deadliest Catch”) made some comments at Facebook recently about college educations, the “free” talk of Socialist Sanders, and trade schools. As you might expect from Rowe, he did not hold back.

Personally, I think he is spot on, and he echoes comments made by Marco Rubio who was calling for more emphasis on Trade schools, one of the things I really liked about him. But I digress. Here is what Rowe had to say about “free college” vs. Trade schools. From The Federalist:

[…] Consider the number of college graduates today, who can’t find work in their chosen field. Hundreds of thousands of highly educated twenty-somethings are either unemployed or getting paid a pittance to do something totally unrelated to the education they borrowed a fortune to acquire. Collectively, they hold 1.3 trillion dollars of debt, and no real training for the jobs that actually exist. Now, consider the countries widening skills gap – hundreds of thousands of good jobs gone begging because no one wants to learn a useful trade. It’s madness. ‘College For All’ might sound good on the campaign trail, but in real life, it’s a dangerous platitude that reinforces the ridiculous notion that college is for people who use their brains, and trade schools are for people who use their hands. As if the two can not be combined.


I’m not an economist Jim, but I’m pretty sure this is how college got so expensive in the first place. We start by exaggerating it’s importance. Then we call it a ‘right.’ That creates demand and guarantees supply. Then we free up billions of dollars, and encourage millions of teenagers to borrow whatever it takes to pay the freight. The pressure on these kids is enormous – from their parents, their guidance counselors, and their peers. So they sign on the dotted line, and that’s that. Is it any wonder the cost of a degree has risen faster than the cost of food, energy, healthcare, and even real-estate? Is it any wonder some politicians want to fix the problem by forgiving the debt altogether and making college free for everyone?


Whatever your politics, this is not the time for our candidates to be promoting one type of education over another. The truth about education is this – there can be no hope of success without one. Period. But right now, the majority of available jobs do NOT require a four-year degree – they require training – the exact kind of training that parents, guidance counselors, and presidential candidates should be encouraging at every turn. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

No kidding. That is so, so true. I have heard manufacturers lament that they have tons of good jobs available, but not enough qualified candidates to fill them because not enough people are going to trade school. It is far past time to reject the mindset that trade schools are less than four year colleges, and to start talking up the employment potential of attending trade schools.

And speaking of talking, once again President Obama is shooting off his hypocritical, sanctimonious mouth. This time, it is about – wait for it – the “corrosive” rhetoric of the current campaign and the lack of facts. Oh, sorry – I should have warned you to not be drinking anything at the time. Yeah, anyway, he did. From The Hill:

[…]  “The divisive and often vulgar rhetoric that’s aimed at everybody, but is often focused on the vulnerable or women or minorities,” Obama said. “I say this right now because this does corrode our democracy and society.”

He continued, “When our elected officials and our political campaigns become entirely untethered to reason and facts and analysis, when it doesn’t matter what’s true and what’s not, that makes it all but impossible for us to make good decisions on behalf of future generations.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Gee, nothing like being lectured on “corrosive” rhetoric and lack of facts by a man who is a MASTER of engaging in both activities he is decrying. I mean, really – this is the man who claimed that the March on Selma inspired his parents to have him. Even though he was already a toddler at the time. And that was just one example of a gazillion examples documented in BOTH of his campaigns for President. WOW. I’m sorry, but that is just a tad delusional, isn’t it? Yikes.

Sorry, still shaking my head at the insanity of Obama, of all people, acting as if he didn’t say horrible, terrible things about not just his Republican opponents, but his Democratic opponents as well. Anyway…

Speaking of the campaign, KenoshaMarge put in comments two terrific radio interviews that took place in Wisconsin, Charlie Sykes and Vicki McKenna. Both of them asked Trump real questions and absolutely held his feet to the fire. It was amazing. If you haven’t listened to them yet, I highly, highly recommend it, though as I said to Marge, Wisconsin is being a little greedy keeping such great interviewers to themselves! I kid, but these interviews are making waves. The Federalist highlighted Charlie Sykes’ interview today:

[…] Sykes asked Trump about his treatment Heidi Cruz, who he attacked last week by threatening to “spill the beans” about her. Trump’s comments came after a political group with no ties to Ted Cruz or his campaign paid for advertisements featuring magazine photos of Trump’s wife Melania. Trump followed up his threat by retweeting an unflattering photo of Cruz’s wife Hedi.

“Is this your standard?” Sykes asked. “That if a supporter of another candidate, not the candidate himself, does something despicable that it’s okay for your personally –a candidate for president of the United States– to behave in that same way? I mean, I expect that from a 12-year-old bully on a playground. Not someone who wants the office held by Abraham Lincoln.”

“I did a retweet,” Trump said.  “And it was art by someone else.”

“Your wife is a beautiful, classy woman, why can you not say the same about Ted Cruz’s wife?” Sykes asked.

In response, Trump explained that his decision to tweet the photo of Cruz’s wife grimacing was a very “mild” response. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

It goes on from there, but Sykes did NOT let Trump off the hook, and he did not let him get away with constantly claiming Ted Cruz did this. Cruz did NOT. It was a SuperPac. Sykes affirmed that repeatedly. Good on him for that.

If you don’t have time to listen to the interview, I recommend this piece. It gives you some highlights. And for those of us who care about truth, decency, and civility, it is most refreshing.

And speaking of refreshing, do I have a video of you. Suzy took this of the Rockhoppers in the Falkland Islands. Don’t give up watching thinking the video is done. They can stand very still for long periods of time. But your wait will be rewarded! Check it out:


Aren’t they ADORABLE??? And don’t you love their crazy mohawk hair? Every day is bedhead day for these little penguins. They are so cute! I hope they brought a smile to your faces, too. Heaven knows, we could all use it these days!

Oh, there is another debate tonight on CNN with the three Republicans set in Milwaukee. It airs at 8:00pm, and you can stream it online if you don’t have cable.

That’s it. This is an Open Thread. Have at it!

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77 Responses to “Beware “Free College,” Whose Rhetoric Is Divisive, A Real Interviewer, And Hopping *Open Thread*”

  1. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    A friend had this up at Facebook. It is an excellent piece by a Danish teacher abt what it is REALLY like to live under Socialsim. The Federalist covered it:

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    The little “Rockhoppers” are too adorable! I see how they got their name. Thank you so much for sharing PENGUINS with us.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Truly my pleasure! Aren’t they just the CUTEST?? Suzy has another one I am going to have to get her to load that has one jumping off a big rock closer to the ocean. All of a sudden, WHOOP, there it goes! So cute!!

  3. piper Says:

    Yippee – Scott Walker endorses Ted Cruz and the Donald pitches a fit saying he might not do tonight’s downhill.

    • piper Says:

      The other link – poor widdle Trump having a temper tantrum

    • piper Says:

      that should be town hall – auto correct sometimes is a pain in the …….

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I was just coming here to post that EXCELLENT news via The Hill. I am SO, SO glad Gov. Walker endorsed Cruz, and a full week ahead of the Primary. Good for him, and good for WI!!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Some of the Trumpanzee are now talking Walker down and saying if he really was for Cruz he would have endorsed him a long time ago. Hello Dummies, timing is everything. And the timing of this, one week before the election, is perfect!

        Carly campaigning with Cruz here in Wisconsin too. That is so great.

        From Allahpundit:

        Walker could have gone the Romney route here and endorsed Cruz tepidly and conditionally, as the lone remaining anti-Trump and nothing more. Instead he came armed with three reasons to support Cruz and made a point of saying that “I wanted to make sure that I was supporting someone, I wasn’t against something.” (He also made a point near the end of testifying to Cruz’s good character, presumably just in case listeners are inclined to believe that Enquirer story.)

        The most striking thing about this is how Walker lays off Trump at a moment when other Republicans are backing Cruz exclusively as the least bad remaining option with a realistic chance of winning. Maybe that’s because he’s eyeing a third term as governor (there are no term limits in Wisconsin) and knows he can’t afford to anger Trump voters too much, but I think there’s strategy to it too.

        Cruz’s political identity as Mr Conservative is at risk lately of being overwhelmed by his new identity as Not Trump, and some voters aren’t going to turn out for a guy whose chief credential is that he’s not someone else. Walker’s doing what he can to bring back some shine to the affirmative case for supporting Cruz.

        And that’s not all: He also said he’ll campaign with Cruz this week. If Cruz pulls it out in Wisconsin next week — and the state is a virtual must-win for him, to give anti-Trumpers hope for the next three months — Walker will be a hero again to conservatives nationally. It’s a smart bet to rebuild his stature among Republicans after his own failed campaign.

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

    Scott Walker to Make Presidential Endorsement This Morning

    With Wisconsin’s primary exactly one week away, Gov. Scott Walker will announce his official endorsement of a GOP candidate this morning in an interview with Milwaukee radio host Charlie Sykes. Walker said recently that the timing of his endorsement was planned so that it would have “maximum impact.”

    The Wisconsin governor signaled last week that his choice would likely be Sen. Ted Cruz. After all, he’s been highly skeptical of Donald Trump and said last week that Gov. John Kasich “cannot” win the nomination.

    Trump is tweeting that Walker won’t endorse him because he beat him in the primary. How dumb is that? Because if Cruz hadn’t beaten him too… Thinking is not a Trump or Trumpanzee strong point.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      LOL – you are so right – thinking is NOT Trump’s strong suit. WOW.

      Gov. Walker is such a solid person, I so, so hope the people there take this to heart…

  5. piper Says:

    The Rockhoppers are too precious – your cruise sounds wonderful. Will put your trip on my bucket list of places to visit.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks, piper! It really was fantastic, I have to say. Learning abt the politics in those regions was fascinating, too. All of the guides discussed what was happening in their countries, and it was most informative. Chile has a Socialist woman president, and she is reviled by many. She is definitely on the way out. Argentina continues to have a TON of problems with its government.

      The Falklands are British – and it was funny to hear EVERYONE speak with a British accent after being in Chile and Argentina.

      Uruguay, while a Constitutional Republic, is currently a Democratic Socialist country ( Voting is COMPULSORY there. You cannot get a job without proof that you voted. That said, they do ALL of their major transactions in US DOLLARS. I thought that said a whole lot.

      Anyway, it was fascinating that the Patagonia area is a rainforest, while just over the Andes, Argentina was a desert. Wild!

      I hope you get to go sometime. It is really amazing to see and experience things I learned abt as a child in school – never thought I’d see them for myself! Amazing experience and adventure.

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    Trump tries to win Wisconsin without backing of radio hosts

    Trump doesn’t fare so well when the interviewer asks real questions and expects an answer. Those over at the Trump sewer, formerly known as FOX news, could take lessons. Except for Megyn.

    The radio hosts here in Wisconsin that “say” they are conservative, actually are conservative. And Trump doesn’t fare well with the real thing.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      YES!! Yes,t hat is exactly it. You nailed it right on the head, Marge. When Trump is faced with the real thing, he is shown to be the faker he really is. Those two interviewers did more for the country than a HOST Of other “news” shows combined with their tenacity for the truth.

      Yeah, I have taken to watch CNN for a couple of hours in the morning while doing my exercises just to get an idea of the news. I cannot watch Fox any more, though I guess I could watch Megyn at least. She is the only one left, sadly, who has not lost her mind there.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Amazing isn’t it that CNN is suddenly more “fair and balanced” than FOX? There are a bunch of folks at FOX that I will never watch or respect again. I stopped watching “The Five” a long time ago. I found “Outnumbered” boring. And anything that has Tantaros or Bolling is pure crap.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          YES – it really is, Marge. Some of their people don’t strike me as being as smart as some of the reporters on Fox (specifically, Catherine Herridge and Jennifer Griffin), but they cover the basics of what is going on, so that is better than the constant Trump Love on Fox now.

          Honestly, how Fox went from making fun of Trump to whole hog embracing him is disturbing. Apparently, his threats and bullying toward them worked! UGH.

          • amarissa Says:

            Welcome back, happy to hear your trip was so enjoyable!

            Regarding Fox News, I am still faithful to some like Megyn and The Five. I agree that Bolling is a very obvious Trump fan, however, Dana, Kimberly and Greg are not and I love them, especially Dana whom I find very fair and honest. (By the way, her book is great!). On The Five Bolling cannot show his bias for Trump too much because Dana and Greg do not like him at all.

            I watch some parts of O’Reilly but now that Bolling is on, I don’t. Outnumbered is really bad! Andrea I have never liked, even before Trump, too radical for my taste. I love Brett Baier, especially because of how he stood up for Megyn regarding Trump. Hannity I definitely do not watch! I also like Martha MacCallum and a few others. I too am watching more of CNN lately, especially Jake Tapper. However, my real favorites are Megyn and Dana.

            I am also watching some of MSNBC now because they tear Trump apart, especially Andrea Mitchell and a few others. They are covering more straight politics now to see if their ratings go up. Of course, I do not watch radicals like Maddow, Mathews and others that are still around. Lately, even Morning Joe has also stopped their love affair with Trump.

            I really hope a third candidate surges at the convention because Cruz, although 100% better than Trump, is not my cup of tea either. Somehow he does not proyect sincerity, he sounds more like a politician. I hate it when candidates say “On the first day I will….” really, how many hours does that first day have? Nobody will do anything on the first day or month, it’s ridiculous to believe that statement. They will be touring the White House and unpacking before they can do anything.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Thanks so much, Amarissa! I appreciate that!

        YES, Dana’s book is very good. She is a great story teller, and she has really expanded my appreciation for Bush (I had no regard for him as Prez since I was a hardcore Dem then). Excellent book.

        Greg Gutfeld is great, too, and I love Kimberly Guilfoyle. I might need to give them another shot and just mute Bolling. Ahaha. And I was a faithful Bret Baier fan until he started getting really snarky with people who were speaking out abt Trump. I was really shocked to hear him talk like that. I do like the All Star Panel, though – especially when Stephen Hayes and Jonah Goldberg are on it. I could listen to those two talk for hours. So smart…

        I need to start dvr’ing Kelly.

        Thanks, Amarissa! 🙂

        • amarissa Says:

          Exactly how I feel, I also discovered the real Bush through Dana! Yes, please give The Five another try and forget Bolling is there! The rest are really good! I also like Stephen Hayes, he really hates Trump and he is very well spoken. Megyn is also on at 12 midnight (re-run).

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            That story she tells abt Bush visiting the wounded soldiers at Walter Reed just had me in tears. I would take him over Obama and day of the week.

            I was thinking abt that – the re-run at midnight and dvr’ing it. Maybe I can do that and watch it in the morning. 🙂

            Funny abt MSNBC and Trump, btw – kinda nice that SOMEONE is giving him the treatment he deserves! 🙂

          • amarissa Says:

            I know, I was in tears too!

        • amarissa Says:

          By the way, I am watching Anderson really pressing Trump! Trump sounds like a madman repeating things or saying how great he is and NOT answering the questions until really pressed to do so! Right now I don’t even know what he meant with his explanation of NATO! The poor woman who asked him about it must be going crazy and confused by his answer!

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            I caught a few seconds of Trump trying to explain that and just had to change the channel. But I am delighted that Anderson kept pressing him. Trump doesn’t like that at ALL when people want him to give real answers…

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

  8. piper Says:

    The real story of the GQ spread is that Donald had the Melania pictures taken on his plane saying that she was earning her ‘air miles’ then asked GQ to use the pictures. Lots can be said of Melania but one question I have is why she married a man almost 25 years older if not for the money and prestige.

  9. piper Says:

    Interesting – a Trump top strategist turned defector. Surprise a bit that LJ actually posted this thread on his website.

    “He doesn’t want the White House. He just wants to be able to say that he could have run the White House. He’s achieved that already and then some. If there is any question, take it from someone who was recruited to help the candidate succeed, and initially very much wanted him to do so.

    The hard truth is: Trump only cares about Trump.

    And if you are one of the disaffected voters — one of the silent majority like me — who wanted a candidate who could be your voice, I want to speak directly to you as one of his biggest advocates and supporters.

    He is not that voice. He is not your voice. He is only Trump’s voice.

    Trump is about Trump. Not one of his many wives. Not one of his many “pieces of ass.” He is, at heart, a self-preservationist.

    In fact, many people are not aware of the Trump campaign’s internal slogan, but I will tell you. It is stolen from a make-believe television presidency on The West Wing where Martin Sheen portrayed President Bartlet. The slogan on the show amongst the idealistic group of Bartlet’s staff was “Let Bartlet Be Bartlet.”

    Inside the Trump camp, the slogan became “Let Trump Be Trump.”

    It is a repurposed slogan that seemed spot-on for the candidate. He is an intelligent, charismatic man who is involved in every aspect of his organization and would rather speak from the cuff than read briefing notes and recite them. I, in fact, admire Trump for this. But saying this qualifies him to be president is like saying that Seth Rogen is suited to be president. Another extraordinary improvisor, not an extraordinary presidential candidate.

    Trump has undoubtedly lived up to the slogan, right down to his main public-relations liaison. Rather than go for a focus-group Washington insider, his communications person had previously taken press calls for the Trump Organization and directed them to the appropriate Trump child. She joked that before joining the campaign she thought “Common Core” was a class at Equinox.”


    • piper Says:

      Posted this on one blog – the other bloggers are discrediting her and her site but surprisingly not flinging mud (name calling) at me.

      I’m out for rest of day – need to review tax returns then off to the post office – finally getting a refund. Then off for a bike ride while the sun is shining.

      Have a great day everyone.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I saw this earlier, and thought it was VERY telling, piper. Thank you so much for posting it here. It says SO much, doesn’t it?? Wow…

        And YAY for the tax return!! Happy for you. And the bike ride sounds nice, too!

  10. foxyladi14 Says:

    Good morning dear friends..
    Great post Amy.’I agree with this comment.

    “Whatever your politics, this is not the time for our candidates to be promoting one type of education over another. The truth about education is this – there can be no hope of success without one. Period. But right now, the majority of available jobs do NOT require a four-year degree – they require training – the exact kind of training that parents, guidance counselors, and presidential candidates should be encouraging at every turn.”

  11. foxyladi14 Says:

    I have a Grad daughter in her second year of College.
    I fear she may end up flipping burgers. 😯

  12. foxyladi14 Says:

    I know that all your fur babies was happy to see you home Amy.
    waiting for some pictures. 😀

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yes they were, Foxy, though our pet sitters are so good, they LOVE them. They were like, “oh – you’re back. Where is Michelle?” Ahaha. Seriously, though – they are happy and we are happy to see them again!

      I know – I have to download them all. It is a bit daunting a task, though, since I am pretty sure I have over a 1,000 photos to cull through, dismissing the ones that aren’t great, then organizing them into ports. Whew, getting tired just thinking abt it! Teehee!

      • foxyladi14 Says:

        Amy since I can’t go places like you can. 😀

        I love seeing all the pictures and hearing all of your lovely adventures Thank you Amy ❤

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          It is truly my pleasure to share, Foxy – I just don’t want to bore y’all with a ton of photos and stuff, you know? It really was something, though.

          Oh, one other thing abt the Falklands and Argentina – they do NOT get along at all after the Argentina invasion in the ’80’s. The British won, of course, but Argentines are definitely NOT over that defeat and at least our guide on our last excursion would not even call the Falklands by that name…

  13. piper Says:

    Last one for real this time

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I just saw that at The Hill. You are FAST, piper!! And how abt that? Maybe the other “reporters” will finally start seeing these people for who they are and stop giving Trump so many free passes…

  14. foxyladi14 Says:

    I am part Irish too. 😆

  15. kenoshamarge Says:

    Walker and Carly campaigning for Cruz

  16. kenoshamarge Says:

  17. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Suzy and I are catching up on some of our shows while getting some other stuff done. One of the shows we are watching is Dancing With The stars. Honestly, I almost didn’t watch it because Trump Sycophant Geraldo is on. I cannot stand him anyway, but especially since he endorsed Trump.

    Oh, and Trump’s ex, Maples, is on, too. She is 50, and I have to say, she can dance.

    Week 2, Geraldo came out in a Trump wig. UGH. The only satisfaction I can take is that Geraldo is HORRIBLE, and hopefully will be gone at the end of the show I am watching.

    But really – WTH with all these Trump connections on a DANCING show?!? Disgusted…

    • amarissa Says:

      I read somewhere that he was fired from DWTS, I don’t doubt it, he was really, really bad!

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Yes, thank GOD!!! 😀 We were SOOO glad.. He was terrible. WOW.

        Both Suzy and I said that Kimberly would have done a FAR better job than Geraldo. I wish SHE would do the show! 😀

      • amarissa Says:

        Kimberly is a terrific dancer! She is soo cool, sweet and funny! Also very bright.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Yes, KG is brilliant – what a legal mind she has. I bet she would win the mirror ball! 🙂

  18. piper Says:

    I spoke too soon. The insults and name calling has commenced at another blog which I frequented. They are having a hard time dealing with anyone who post links and comments which does not favor their hero, the Donald. Negative comments and stories about Cruz are welcomed and shared but not about Drumpf. I’ll just have to go and sit in the corner for a while rethinking my vote.
    I didn’t realize that 2016 would be a repeat of 2008 with people denigrating / insulting others who had differing opinions.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I don’t even bother going to Trump cesspools anymore.

      • amarissa Says:

        I removed LJ and other Trump loving blog links from my blogroll an hour ago, fed up with them! I only left Hillaryis44 because I am still curious about them… I cannot believe their Trump love is real…

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Smart thinking, amarissa. I’ll have to review my blogroll, too.

          It is hard to believe, isn’t it? Mind boggling…

          • amarissa Says:

            I only kept them because those years when we all started were so critical for all of us! We really went through hell with cheating Obama and the Hillary tragedy. Then, we all turned against her and we kept going hoping for 2012 and now 2016.. But supporting Trump is really something I cannot take from those who joined his circus! It really affects me!

            • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

              I completely understand, amarissa. I remember so well the treatment a number of us received at the hands of Obots, and now some – too many – of the same people who decried that treatment are engaging in the same (and worse). It is stunning, disconcerting, and demoralizing. I just pray that people in the remaining states come to their senses (come on, WI!), and hand this to Cruz instead…

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Ugh. Sorry to hear it, piper. I am not surprised mind you, but I am sorry for the attacks on you.

      And I am right there with you. I cannot believe, understand, or comprehend, how in the WORLD people are acting just like Obots did 8 yrs ago. It just defies any logic or reason…

  19. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    A friend had this up at Facebook. I swear, Fiorina is amazing. I cannot believe people did not see how awesome she was, but I am glad as hell she is aligned with Cruz now:

  20. foxyladi14 Says:

    I am keeping an open mind.
    I predict some surprises!!! 🙄

  21. foxyladi14 Says:

    Patty Duke age 69 has died from a ruptured intestine.
    So young.
    A new Angel in Heaven today ❤

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      So sad, isn’t it? Like many others here I suspect, I grew up watching her in a number of great shows and roles. Such a great, and sudden, loss. My thoughts and prayers go out to her family and friends…

    • mcnorman Says:

      I’m sad. I thought she was incredibly gifted as an actress. She had a rough life, but she managed to do okay. She was bipolar and quite severe from what her children would say. On the other hand, her mother had to talent agents running her kid around town at the ripe age of 8, so that might be the reason that the stress was overwhelming for her.

  22. kenoshamarge Says:

    Surprise: Trump Attacks Walker For…Not Raising Taxes in Wisconsin

    Washington Post fact-checker:

    The only time that the $2.2 billion figure has appeared even on Time’s website is after the magazine published a transcript of the second Republican debate, on Sept 16 — and quoted Trump as jabbing at Walker:

    “In Wisconsin, you’re losing $2.2 billion right now.” He added: “You were supposed to make a billion dollars in the state and you lost $2.2 billion. You have right now a huge budget deficit. That’s not a Democratic talking point, that’s a fact.”

    But here’s the rub: weeks before Trump uttered the claim at the September debate, fact checkers had already called him out for using it. On July 28, PolitiFact Wisconsin gave Trump a “mostly false” for making this claim in a campaign event. And on July 29, published an article titled “Wisconsin’s Trumped Up Deficit.” Both fact checks made similar points: Wisconsin, under state law, is required to have a balanced budget. There had once been a projected budget shortfall of $2.2 billion over two years, back in November 2014, after an earlier projection of a $1 billion surplus. But the shortfall was never a deficit — because the law requires a balanced budget.

    Indeed, on July 12, two weeks before Trump made the comments that were fact checked, Walker signed into law a two-year balanced budget.

    As usual, all the “lying” is being done by Trump. Not to mention how stupid it is to attack Scott Walker here in Wisconsin where he is extremely popular with Republicans, Independents and even some Democrats.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Just astonishing, Marge. I heard Trump constantly claiming he saw that in Time, abt the economic problems in your state under Walker. I should say, the NON-EXISTENT economic problems under Walker. He is such a liar, such a con man – how can ANYONE buy this crap?!?!

  23. mcnorman Says:

    I am embarrassed for so many who are clueless about how to seek truth in anything. I had a call today from an 40ish adult female who told me that she had to google ratings in order to decide whether to keep her appointment or not. Ratings? OMG, ratings as in how long was your wait in the waiting room? Did you like the environment? Instead of seeking the CV, this one decides her major life decisions by google ratings. Astonishing.

  24. mcnorman Says:

    Amy, those penguins are just adorable. When you have some time, check out Still Life At The Penguin Cafe. It is a beautiful ballet that I saw premiere many decades ago. The company is the Royal Ballet of England and their penguins are adorable too.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      So glad you like the video, mcnorman! Aren’t they just precious?!

      I will definitely check it out. That sounds amazing. Thank you for the suggestion!

      • mcnorman Says:

        They are just wonderful creatures. Truly magnificent.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          That they are. It is such a gift to be able to watch them do what they do, like the cute way they walk up hills. Since their legs are so short, they lean forward with their wings a bit out in front of them. If I can find a photo of one, I’ll put it up in my next post.

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