The Similarities Are Piling Up *Open Thread*

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I had something else in mind about which to write today that was NOT about Donald Trump, and I will mention that first. It is important as hell, and deserves to be up first.

But I saw something this morning about which I just have to speak out, and yes, dammit, it is related to Trump and the increasing similarities to how the Obama/Democrat supports act.

First, though, a staggering revelation from the 9/11 Commission Report that has been HIGHLY classified all these years. CBS had a segment on this Sunday night on “60 Minutes,” and Megyn Kelly discussed it with Senator Bob Graham on Monday night:

 

As Sen. Graham noted, we already know that most of the terrorists on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. But the report seems to intimate that Saudi Arabia, our ally, might have had something more to do with 9/11 than they have ever been charged with, or for which they have been held accountable. So hell to the yes, declassify these 28 pages already, and let us see what the Commission found. And if Saudi Arabia had some input with that attack, by all means, HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

The thing about this report is a bigger picture issue, and that is the incredible importance of electing people to the highest office in the land who can handle issues on this level. People who have the soberness, the intellect, the fortitude, the integrity, and the temperament to handle such terrible events, because they happen. And we need a President who is up to the task.

Which, of course, leads me to the Whining, Temper Tantrum Throwing, Complainer, And Demander of Rule Changes When He Loses, Donald Trump. No doubt, you have not been able to escape the incessant coverage of All Things Trump on this, and Trump’ sore loser hissy fit about losing Colorado to Cruz. How could you not, right?

Well, there is another element to this story, and one that is unbelievably disturbing. It highlights the similarities in mindset between Obama supporters and Trump supporters. The American Thinker has the disturbing story (h/t Facebook friend for calling my attention to this):

Evidently taking a signal from Roger Stone, who openly threatened to harass delegates to the GOP convention in Cleveland by publishing their hotel room numbers, Trump supporters in Colorado have been posting the names, addresses, and phone numbers of GOP officials in Colorado.  They blame the officials for “rigging” the convention by creating a system last year for awarding delegates that Trump didn’t win.

The fact that Trump had the same opportunity as every other candidate to win delegates at the congressional district-level conventions the state has just conducted means nothing to them.  The fact that Ted Cruz conducted an effective campaign to win delegates, and even appeared in Colorado, while Trump did neither, is also somebody else’s fault, not Trump’s.

[…]

And of course, the inevitable death threats have been coming.

The irony of Trump campaign official Paul Manafort denouncing “Gestapo tactics” on Meet the Press is obvious. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

I cannot help but compare this to the actions of the SEIU in targeting a Bank of America executive AT HIS HOME. You may remember this, but just in case here is the story from Fortune via Hot Air:

[…] Last Sunday, on a peaceful, sun-crisp afternoon, our toddler finally napping upstairs, my front yard exploded with 500 screaming, placard-waving strangers on a mission to intimidate my neighbor, Greg Baer. Baer is deputy general counsel for corporate law at Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500), a senior executive based in Washington, D.C. And that — in the minds of the organizers at the politically influential Service Employees International Union and a Chicago outfit called National Political Action — makes his family fair game.

Waving signs denouncing bank “greed,” hordes of invaders poured out of 14 school buses, up Baer’s steps, and onto his front porch. As bullhorns rattled with stories of debtor calls and foreclosed homes, Baer’s teenage son Jack — alone in the house — locked himself in the bathroom. “When are they going to leave?” Jack pleaded when I called to check on him…

Now this event would accurately be called a “protest” if it were taking place at, say, a bank or the U.S. Capitol. But when hundreds of loud and angry strangers are descending on your family, your children, and your home, a more apt description of this assemblage would be “mob.” Intimidation was the whole point of this exercise, and it worked-even on the police. A trio of officers who belatedly answered our calls confessed a fear that arrests might “incite” these trespassers. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Remember that? We all decried this kind of behavior on behalf of the Leftie SEIU, a HUGE Democrat union and Democrat supporter, both with funds and bodies for protests.

And now the Trump supporters have taken a page from their playbook, intimidating and threatening state delegates for not supporting Trump. And then Trump complains about how “unfair” everything is when he loses, having no qualms engaging in behavior that isn’t just “unfair,” but menacing, threatening, and thuggish. The hypocrisy should be glaringly obvious to even the thickest of his supporters and the media that continues to give him WAY more time than everyone else.

Honestly, this kind of thing just scares the crap out of me, both for the obvious reason of the physical threat to these delegates, but more what it says about where we are moving as a nation. Threatening delegates when one does not get one’s way seems to me to border on voter intimidation. We have seen how that plays out in the not-so-distant past with the New Black Panther Party and their blatant intimidation of voters in Philadelphia.

In this case, though – the delegates determine the nominee of the Party. If delegates are so intimidated that they choose Trump in a contested convention out of fear for their homes, their families, and their lives, we will have sunk to a whole new low in this nation.

We simply cannot allow that to happen…

This is an Open Thread.

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47 Responses to “The Similarities Are Piling Up *Open Thread*”

  1. helenk3 Says:

    can not stop feeling that trump is a trojan horse for hillary. Other than cause chaos in the republican party what has he done?
    The democratic party got rid of a lot of voters in 2008 and it is hurting in 2016. The only thing that will help it now is for the republican party to implode in 2016.
    just my opinion

    • piper Says:

      Helen,
      That’s been my opinion for a long time but no one has proven me wrong so far. All the flutterings, threats, outrageous statements, the lies and the hypocrisy is just a way of ensuring Hillary win. However, one thing that no one counted on was Donald’s own bloated ego after having received all those votes and beating out other viable candidates – he’s on a roll and now wants to win, and doesn’t care about promises he made and worst of all the people in this country. We’re just an end to his bombastic means.
      BTW – why no stories about all the money he raised for the veteran organization – that sorry fiasco was just his way of tooting a fantasy which the ordinary people liked hearing and a means to gather potential supporters’ data (names, addresses, phone numbers, banking info) into his database for future support and funding.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I have ZERO doubt that Trump is a Trojan horse. The outrageous things he says are the stereotypes liberal Dem think of Reps. The things he has called for are liberal Dem. programs, and yet, his followers refuse to hold him accountable.

      Meanwhile, he has given a TON of money to Dems, but not much to charity and somehow, that doesn’t computer with them either.

      Which leads me to your comment abt the veterans’ agencies, piper: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/08/veterans-charities-reportedly-receive-fraction-money-raised-by-trump-event.html

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    I cannot understand how any decent human being can support this man. It must be willful blindness and deafness. Death threats and revealing people’s home address? Is this what people on the right have come to?

    And Manafort? Seriously? The lobbyist? The kind of “establishment” figure that Trump and Trumpanzees rail against? Then Trump hires him? It goes beyond willful blindness to just plain corruption of their own souls. I cannot call it less.

    • piper Says:

      But, but Marge,
      Winning is what it’s all about – who cares about the threats, the means, bombastic promises, hyperbolic sound bites – the WIN is everything. Sadly we, the ordinary folks, will lose big time just like under the obama regime.

      BTW – read that Marla Maples was voted off Dancing with the Stars last night.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Yes, she was! I watch DWTS, and it has been a tad irritating that first they had Geraldo imitating a “President Trump” as his (final, thank God) dance routine, then the have Marla on, too. WTH?!

        And yeah – it seems a a fairly large number of Americans do not give a damn abt facts, actions, attitudes (unless they are bullies, and that seems to be okay). or decency anymore…

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    The ‘Voice of the People’ Fallacy

    By Thomas Sowell

    If “the voice of the people” has spoken, whether in Wisconsin or nationally, what it has said repeatedly is “No” to Donald Trump. The illusion of Trump’s overwhelming appeal to the Republican voters has been maintained by the fragmenting of Republican votes because so many candidates were running as conservatives that Trump won primaries without ever getting a majority of the votes.

    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/04/the-voice-of-the-people-fallacy#sthash.lSfOrYHf.dpuf

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    All the screaming about “stealing” delegates is so tiresome. It is being done by people too stupid to do the little bit of work it would take to learn how the process works.

    And those that know better and say nothing are just plain corrupt. Larry Johnson is one of them. I would have never believed it if I hadn’t just read his latest post. He is dead to me.

    • piper Says:

      Agree – stopped reading his threads about 2 weeks ago. BP continues to stay within normal range since cleaning up bookmarked sites and refusing to watch cable and regular broadcast news.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I never comment but was checking in to see what he was posting from time to time. After reading his latest post I won’t bother again.

        His rabid hatred of Ted Cruz is no secret. His pretense of not being a Trump fan isn’t believable by anyone who reads his posts.

        However he knows how the process works and a man of integrity would be educating his Trumpanzee pets. He did not. He fed into their insanity and ignorance and dishonesty will more bullcrap.

        I wish I hadn’t read it. I wish I didn’t know it. I wish I could still retain one modicum of respect for him.

        I am so angry that I am afraid to take my bp. Maybe venting here, I hope, will help me calm down.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          I am really sorry to hear that, Marge. Yeah, sometimes, we just have to walk away. Seems like this is a good time for y’all to do so. Heaven knows, your health is too important!!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I know, Marge – I know it is hard, and painful, along with hoping you are wrong and it is just a fluke…I totally get that. I hate it for you and piper, though!

  6. piper Says:

    Sure most of you read this article that I posted early this morning but will repeat it here in this new thread.

    I will honestly say (I know that honesty is passe) that I don’t know all the ‘rulz’ of conventions and delegates but found this article from Salon interesting and somewhat informative.

    http://www.salon.com/2016/04/12/6_reasons_to_believe_donald_trump_could_really_blow_this_thing_partner/

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    Mike Lee to run for a top Senate leadership post

    Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, one of the most conservative members of the U.S. Senate, is planning to run for a top leadership post.

    The Washington Examiner has learned that Lee is aiming to serve as the chair of the Senate Republican Policy Committee, which is the fourth-highest ranking position in the Senate, charged with helping craft the party’s policy agenda. It is a position that has been held by Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming since 2012.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2588220/

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Interesting that. I couldn’t tell from the article if Barrasso is stepping down or not, but still – very interesting!

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

  9. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Sorry for the delay in responding. I just spent over an hour fighting to get AT&T U-verse working again. Yes, we just got a new modem. Hence one of the reasons I despise AT&T. I had just gotten home from having to run to the little grocery store at the beach for cat food, and just wanted to lie down because my back and knees were killing me.

    Instead, I have been running back and forth across the breezeway to the office where the modem is, unplugging and plugging in all four receivers and one modem, and finally got tv service. I HATE AT&T. Seriously hate it.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I haven’t had AT &T for years. We had to drop it because our squirrels kept eating through the lines. That’s when we went to Time Warner. They aren’t much better when you have problems though.

      They must have had a lot of complaints because they are running commercials about how great they are about arriving on time now. The problem with that is the tech is in such a hurry that you don’t get all your problems solved or questions answered. The last time one was here, about two weeks ago, Lou and I double-teamed him. I asked the questions and Lou stood in front of the door. And I had my questions written down in case a senior moment occurred and I couldn’t remember something. At least I’ve never forgotten how to read. So far.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I wish I DIDN’T have it – the freakin’ U-verse is already back out again. I HATE THEM.

        The reason we have it in the first place is to have faster internet for Suzy’s work. It is faster than the DSL we had, but NOT WHEN IT DOESN’T WORK.

        I was just getting ready to go stretch out on a heating pad and catch up on some shows. Instead, once again, I am wasting my time with these idiots.

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          So sorry you are having to contend with this crap. Technology is great when it works and when those who run it do it right. Sadly you are haven’t to contend with the bad.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            Thanks, Marge – I appreciate that. And now, I have to have yet another tech come out tomorrow to fix whatever is going on now. UGH.

            The problem is that we have very few choices on our rural island. Satellite dishes don’t work so well with all the windy weather we get, hence why we were glad to get U-verse. That happiness was short-lived…Oh well.

            Anyway – I appreciate it. And at least I still have internet (famous last words! 😀 ).

  10. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/12/fresh-document-trove-sheds-light-on-clinton-trump-ties.html?intcmp=trending

    interesting clinton document dump

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      As you were saying above, Helen…

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      There have been numerous rumors about Trump and the Clintons. Some people think he’s just been running interference for her. Sliming all the GOP candidates while making himself too ugly to win in a general. Given his narcissism and ego I don’t buy it.

      The fools that keep claiming Ted Cruz is somehow “establishment” would know that Trump fits that part far better if they just did a little investigating instead of screaming like 2 year olds.

      Trump, a 70 year old man acting like a 2 year old is disgusting but so are all his supporters that do the same.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Absolutely, Marge. That Bill suggested Trump run in the FIRST place should have given Trump supporters pause, but despite their reliance on polls, when it comes to how poorly Trump fares against Hillary, all of a sudden, they don’t mean anything. Sigh…

        Ridiculous assertion abt Cruz, too, but it fits their narrative, so they run with it no matter how idiotic it is…

  11. kenoshamarge Says:

    Here’s the Ted Cruz “Flat Tax” plan explained.

    Be sure you tell all the lying Trumpanzees that it isn’t the VAT tax it’s the FLAT tax. I know they won’t understand but you can feel virtuous in knowing that at least you tried to lift the fog of ignorance and dishonesty that surrounds them.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Outstanding, Marge. Thank you for this. I am going to go share it with friends so they can have more ammo for dealing with Trumpanzees!

  12. kenoshamarge Says:

    I heard that Heidi Cruz will be on the Kelly File tonight. If so I will break my No FOX rule.

    And don’t forget Ted and Heidi Cruz and their girls on CNN tomorrow @9pm EST.

  13. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Hey, I just got an email that Heidi Cruz is going to be on The Kelly File tonight (and isn’t Ted doing a townhall on CNN tomorrow night?).

    I reckon I’ll be watching a Youtube video of the Kelly File…

  14. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Just as we expected, there is this revelation from David Brock of Media Matters. I know he is a kook, but even he can tell the truth sometime. And what he said is EXACTLY what we have been saying: he has amassed a TON of opposition research to use on Trump, but it won’t be released until Trump is the nominee so they can take him down: http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/12/david-brock-says-he-has-enough-anti-trump-info-to-knock-trump-tower-down/

  15. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    OHMYGOSH – Trump will NOT shut up whining and complaining abt how “UNFAIR” Colorado is, what a terrible leader Priebus (which I agree with – but not for the same reasons as Trump), how “undemocratic” the delegate process is, and on and on and on and on. HE is responsible for making sure he understands how the RULES work, and campaigning accordingly. He did not, and now he is crying, screaming, and throwing temper tantrums along with his supporter targeting CO delegates at home (because THAT is so fair and democratic). Not for nothing but we live in a Constitutional Republic, AND each STATE determines how it is going to apportion delegates, NOT the RNC. But facts don’t matter, Trump will keep crying he was wronged, keep trying to break the rules by being a bully claiming he doesn’t need to get to the threshold, and so much more. This is all just childish and juvenile on his part, not to mention being a TERRIBLE loser: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/276054-trump-slams-rnc-chairman-calls-2016-process-a-disgrace

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I might add, the majority of the comments at this article are good. Most people understand the system, that states determine their delegate allegation, that Trump did not do his homework, did not play by the rules, and is now acting like the victim demanding the rules be changed to suit him. He is a bully through and through, and like Obama, he doesn’t think the rules apply to him. Newsflash: they do!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        If people don’t understand the process by now they don’t want to. It is explained everywhere.

        I hope Trump keeps whining. It is so unbecoming in a man in his position and of his age and many will see him for what he is. And that’s not good for him. Besides, it’s tiresome and boring.

        The Trumpanzees won’t mind but they are tiresome and boring too.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          You said it, Marge. You are exactly right.

          And I totally thought of you and piper reading the comments. There were some people who were whackadoodles, but most of the people totally got it…

  16. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Update: well, after talking with the nice tech who is coming out here tomorrow (the same one we had last Fri.), I contacted AT&T again. Why? Because the tech told me it makes NO sense that I have internet and no tv since the tv comes through the internet. He said it seems as if someone may have turned off our tv service at AT&T.

    Well, you know that steamed me up all over again, so I started a chat with another AT&T agent (I prefer the online chats so they don’t hear me cussing them out – ahaha). Long story short, the agent couldn’t fix that problem, but he was the FIRST agent in all these years of trouble to say he was making a note that we should get a credit for lost service, AND he upgraded our internet service to a much faster rate (great for Suzy) which is on a promo now so it is decreasing our bill, plus he gave us a tv promo (I know – the irony, the irony), which is REALLY cutting our bill. We pay almost $400 a month for this service, which is why it is so infuriating that we have so much trouble with it. That he is able to get us a break for 6 months is no small thing.

    Still have no tv, but at least we aren’t paying as much for it now! Ahahaha!!

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      So glad things are working out for you. And saving money is always a good thing.

      Do you have Amazon Prime? I love watching programs on that. For instance I am on season 7 of SG1 which was once one of my favorite programs. I get the first 8 seasons free. I also have video library stashed there that I paid for. I don’t have HBO so I “bought” and stored Game of Thrones on Amazon. Just a suggestion although you are more tech savvy than I am so you probably all ready know all of that.

      I’m gonna go watch some television now. No news and nothing to raise the BP. Just entertainment.

      Goodnight

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Thanks, Marge!

        We don’t have Prime. We had a streaming plan on Netflix and Hulu, but we went back to just getting dvds mainly because Suzy can’t keep up with the regular shows we watch, and if I used it, it would slow down the internet for Suzy’s work. I am not opposed to it, though. If the upgrade in the internet service really does work well, i would gladly look into it again.

        For now, I am catching up on some shows online I dvr’ed but can’t watch. 🙂

        Have a great evening – and good for you for engaging in some self care! 😀

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