Some “Fashions” Never Go Out Of Style **Open Thread**


I have often been told by my granddaughters and other younger friends and relatives that I am hopelessly old fashioned. In many respects they’re right. For instance I don’t believe, and never will believe, that calling raw fish “Sushi” makes it any more edible. Our ancestors discovered fire so we didn’t have to eat raw fish damn it!

There are many ways I am as up to date as they are. But being modern doesn’t mean, at least to me, running around half naked. At my age believe me you don’t want to see that. Wrinkles and saggy body parts being inevitable doesn’t make them attractive. Not even to those wearing them. I didn’t have any choice about this fashion and keep it as covered up as possible. Fashion be damned.

For the young a lithe lovely body may be something they want the world to see. They want to be “hot”. Which means I suppose that they want to be seen as sex objects which I thought went out in the 60s.

What’s new and trendy can be very confusing as well as hypocritical. Being sexually available to every Tom, Dick and Harry is not new. There have been many periods in history when that was true. In some cases it lead to greater freedom for women in others just the opposite. But whatever it is, it isn’t new. Sorry kids, it just ain’t.

However the kind of things my granddaughters are usually referencing aren’t aging women looking silly in some teeny weeny bikini. It usually has something to do with old fashioned idea about honesty, integrity, honor and that elusive something called values.


an ideal accepted by some individual or group

“he has old-fashioned values”

Values may not always be something you can describe in a few words but you know when someone share yours. If nothing else your “spidey” senses give you an uncomfortable feeling when some bozo is trying to fool you. You can pretend many things but values are either a part of you or they are not.

I may not have always lived up to the values I espouse but I have always believed in them. I may disappoint myself from time to time but find forgiveness for myself as long as I strive. Once I stop then I am lost and will become a part of our ever devolving culture. Shudder!

Having Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton as the two frontrunners in a presidential election speaks to a culture that has lost it’s way. It speaks to a people, at least a large number of them, who no longer see honesty and integrity and values as important.

Sure the Democrats know that Hillary is a liar and corrupt from her latest coiffure to her little kitten heels. They will still vote for her just as over a million people did in New York. She’s a Democrat and that’s what Democrat voters do.

Ask them about her accomplishments and they stammer and stutter and have a deer in the headlight look on their faces. But by golly, she’s a Democrat and promises freebies almost as much as Bernie Sanders and that’s enough to put her in the White House. To elect her to the highest position in our country.  That’s madness.

Republicans, who I once thought had some old fashioned values, not to mention brains are now rushing to vote for a man who has none. Zip. Zilch. Nada. No values, no morals, no honesty and is frequently too vulgar for prime time. Cannot believe these Republicans want to put this manchild in the oval office behind the Resolute Desk. Their frenzied support for this vile creature is past all understanding.

John Hawkins at Townhall summed up my feelings about Trump very well:

 6 Reasons Donald Trump Isn’t Fit To Be President  

This particular paragraph from Hawkins’ piece expressed how I feel perfectly:

Just because Donald Trump’s fans are willing to overlook his flaws, doesn’t mean everybody else can do the same thing. If we sanction and reward this kind of foolishness by making Donald Trump the GOP nominee, then don’t be surprised if the rest of the American people reluctantly put Hillary Clinton in the White House because the idea of “President Trump” is just unthinkable.

No candidate that runs for president is ever going to be perfect. They are human beings and therefore have flaws. Sometimes it isn’t even their flaws that turns us off but the fact they don’t support the things that we find most important. However we need to find something, some hint, some modicum of integrity don’t we? Some hint that this person is a good person and not just a political construct?

The devolution of America continues apace and for those of us “old-fashioned” behind the times fuddy-duddies the country we knew is no longer recognizable as the country we loved so much. I know patriotism is blasé these days except when a politician waves a flag to get elected or on the 4th of July when half our young people don’t even know why we celebrate. I will always remember the one young woman who told an interviewer that the 4th of July was to celebrate our war with China. And people wonder why some of us older people despair.


23 Responses to “Some “Fashions” Never Go Out Of Style **Open Thread**”

  1. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Excellent piece, Marge. Thank you so much for this. It really is astonishing how much morality and values are completely discounted now. Stunning, really, and not in a good way…

    • justine00 Says:

      I totally agree, Marge. This is a great article. Just because “society” has lowered its definition of right and wrong doesn’t mean I will. I can’t live up to everything, but I want the standard to remain high.

      [Not to be contrary, but the “value(verb)” part is using “value” as a noun, instead of a verb, is it not? Oh, well, good points anyway!]

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        You’re right on the use of value as a noun. My mistake.

        Glad you liked the point I was trying to make in spite of my error. 😉

  2. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Today is a big Primary Day, with voters going to the polls in CT, RI, PA, DE, and MD. Forbes has a “Bet” opinion piece on today’s primaries:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Trump is expected to do well in the East. So I will try not to despair when that happens. Oh and by the way, to those of us in the “rust belt”, Pennsylvania is thought of as the “East”.

      Was a time when those coal mining folks were thought to be good cloth coat conservatives. Too many have lost their way along with their jobs. Sad, so sad.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        So true, Marge. I remember those days. They seem to be long gone, unfortunately…

        And yes, trying not to worry abt how well Trump does, though it won’t stop his incessant whining and ginning up the crowds with his “RIGGED!!!” speech, which none of them seem to look too closely at considering he has more delegates based on votes than Cruz does. Good grief. I am just SMH at how easily he manipulates them – and the media…

        • justine00 Says:

          Maybe I’m just forgetful, but has Trump ever brought forward any real solutions? (All I remember him doing is whining and saying how great he’s going to be. What has he really proposed to fix things?)

          • kenoshamarge Says:

            He just says he’s going to do things. Evidently that’s enough for his simple minded supporters. Details are too much bother.

  3. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    And it being Primary Day leads me to post this good piece from the Federalist by Tom Nichols:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I have already lost a few friends. I don’t care. If they can support a loathsome thing like Trump then they were never the people I thought they were and I don’t want to know them. Ever. Again.

      Good piece. I missed that one thanks for sharing it.
      I especially loved this line:

      The Trump campaign is a test of character, and many Americans are failing it.

      That is exactly how I feel about it and why I won’t miss those who have now shown me that they lack character.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        YES – exactly right, many Americans ARE failing that test. It is truly mind boggling that someone who is so childish, and who speaks so childishly, with an exceedingly limited vocabulary with few, if any, real policy ideas is doing so well. I didn’t like him before all of this, and I REALLY don’t like him now…

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

    Trump Calls Kasich ‘Slob’

    Trump and his surrogates are now obsessing about table manners. Funny really when you consider that he has no manners at all. Table manners are unpresidential but calling another candidate a slob is? What an a$$!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      It would be laughable irony if it wasn’t so mind numbingly idiotic. I mean, REALLY – the man who attacks everyone, who is the bastion of poor manners, is talking abt someone else and his followers go along with it??? They seriously have checked their brains at the door. And THIS is why we have an Electoral College – idiots like that.

  5. mcnorman Says:

    Our war with China? Did I miss something here? LOL

    • mcnorman Says:

      Old fashioned? Yeah, when we are all seeing red over what the liars are saying, we are old fashioned.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        You knew when Trump and Clinton both said raise taxes on the wealthy, and the rich buzzards contributed to their campaigns that there was something rotten somewhere. Well with those to there is always something rotten everywhere. But talking raising taxes while helping to provide loopholes is sign of a deep and abiding cynicism a mile high and bone deep. These two people have no souls.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, yeah – and if you watch the video, you will see that Mexico was also mentioned, and hardly ANYONE knew the YEAR we got our Independence. Seriously. If ever there was an indictment of our Educational system, it is that video (and ones like it).

      Wanna know who DID get the answers right? A German man and a man from another country, can’t remember which one. I am not kidding…

      And you said it – guess we are all old-fashioned here!

      • mcnorman Says:

        It never surprises me to hear these things, but it does make me very upset that these are the same people who vote our politicians into office without any clue as to their history or our nation’s.

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          Or how our system of government works or even that we are NOT a Democracy but a Republic. The ignorance has passed appalling to dangerous. These fools vote without care or knowledge of consequence.

          • justine00 Says:

            I noticed the same thing — democracy vs. republic. When Trump was whining about the way delegates/votes are determined, he noted that this was a democracy.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Y’all are so right. That is what is so dangerous. That people have no clue abt policies or positions or history or ANYTHING, but will jump on that bandwagon so fast it will make your head spin.

          What they are doing to this country scares the bejeezus out of me…

  6. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Ted Cruz takes on the media and their propping up of Trump:

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