And The Trump Rise Fallout Continues *Open Thread*


Oh, boy. There is so much going on post-Cruz and Kasich (still suspicious timing to me) departures from the Republican side of the Campaign slate leaving – astonishingly – Trump as the Last Man Standing. And is there ever a ton of fallout as a result, as well as vows of #NeverTrump from all kinds of quarters.

A large group of policy experts at the John Jay Iniative, for example, have declared that many of them will not be helping The Donald out any. From The Hill:

[…] “I have no intention of voting for Hillary Clinton and I have no intention of voting for Donald Trump,” said Daniel Runde, who worked on Romney’s team four years ago.

“I’ve been a lifelong Republican. I’ve never voted for a Democrat for president and I have no intention of voting for a Democrat in my lifetime,” he added. “But at the same time, in my lifetime I’ve never been presented with a candidate who’s anti-free trade, who rubbishes our partners and allies, insults our friends and neighbors [and] has an irresponsible foreign policy.”


Many critics accuse the GOP front-runner of failing to paint a cohesive foreign policy vision, and say that he has relied on platitudes and shallow promises about “winning.” The policies he has laid out — such as halting foreign Muslims from entering the country, renegotiating the U.S.’s role within alliances such as NATO and reinstituting harsh interrogations — have struck many as unwise and unjust.

One founder of the John Hay group, former Romney adviser and ex-State and Defense Department official Eliot Cohen, organized a letter now signed by 121 prominent GOP national security officials promising not to support Trump, because he would “act in ways that make America less safe.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

The article notes that not all of the members are boycotting Trump, but many are.

But there is something else that is stirring since Trump’s inexplicable rise to the top of the GOP. That would be the sense of liberation some are feeling as a result. This piece by Amanda Carpenter in the Conservative Times lays it out (h/t Facebook Friend):

[…] Consider yourselves liberated. There’s no normal obligation to support Trump as the nominee.  He has both policy and personality issues that make him unfit for the highest office in the land.

Speak your mind about the direction you’d truly like to see the party go without any reservations about where the nominee stands. Because, guess what? No one knows where Trump stands anyway.

Take jobs, for example. Does he support unions? Right to work laws? Price supports? What subsidies? Government money for job retraining? The list goes on. And, he’s a businessman.

That’s really the least of it though.

Yesterday, the day he essentially clinched the nomination, when he was ten points up in Indiana, he was peddling a National Enquirer story linking Cruz’s father to the assassination of JFK and threatening to use punitive taxes and tariffs to prevent an American company from relocating.

If this is how Trump acts when he’s winning, I dread seeing how he acts when he becomes angry and his power is threatened. Without a shadow of a doubt, Trump played dirty to win. He was willing to say and do anything to win. His behavior is not emblematic of a patriot; he’s inclined to be a tyrant.

Again, the silver lining is that we are all free to say exactly how we feel about the man. The Republican National Committee pledge goes out the window when the nominee will almost certainly rule as a liberal authoritarian bully. […](Click here to read the rest.)

Carpenter makes some good points, doesn’t she? No one need feel beholden in any way, shape, or form to the Republican Party. Nope, not one bit. People are now free to declare themselves Conservatives, Independents, Libertarians, or simply Anti-Trumpers.

Oh, and speaking of jobs, Trump has already come out saying he is considering raising the Minimum Wage. Yep. Thanks, Trumpanzees, for claiming that past was NOT prologue when it came to the lifelong liberal that Trump is. Morons. Sorry. Just slipped out.

There is something liberating indeed about this shift for many Conservatives, which is why many are now calling for a third party. From The Federalist:

[…] What I am proposing, in short, is a third party that will serve as a Republican leadership in exile, waiting to either reclaim our occupied homeland or to build a new home for our band of ideological refugees.

Let me be more specific about what such a third party might accomplish.

First, it would provide a parallel track for local, state, and congressional candidates. The Obama years have been a huge success for Republicans on every level below the presidency. In several wave elections, Republicans have reclaiming statehouses across the country and both houses of Congress. Now all of that is in danger.


The second function of a new third party would be to give the sane right-leaning media something constructive to do. While much of the right’s broadcast media is on the Trump Train—including a lot the talk radio entertainers and Fox News talking heads—very little of the right’s print and online media is budging in his direction. An informal survey of my colleagues over the past few days shows that very few have abandoned their #NeverTrump stance or seem likely to do so. (No one affirmed that with more style than this.) For people who make a living off of nothing but the force and clarity of their ideas, Trump is too much of an intellectual embarrassment. We just can’t make ourselves support him.


That’s the kind of attitude we need right now, not just from a potential leader, but from ourselves. We need the spirit of George Washington, who rallied the Constitutional Convention with advice that turns out to be the best answer to our dilemma today: “If to please the people, we offer what we ourselves disapprove, how can we afterwards defend our work? Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair.” (Click here to read the rest.)

There is much, much more to this article, and I highly recommend it. But it does give a little bit of hope in these dark days that there are things we can do, that there are like-minded people out there who are providing concrete suggestions and options as to where we go now.

That is no small thing, if you ask me. What do you think? This is an Open Thread.



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60 Responses to “And The Trump Rise Fallout Continues *Open Thread*”

  1. helenk3 Says:

    this says a lot

  2. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I am so, so glad that my Governor said, “NO, thanks…”:

  3. helenk3 Says:

    a lot of angry people

  4. GinaR Says:

    Never ever ever Trump. Ever. Never.

    I tried to post a photo but there’s no way to do it. How do y’all post your photos???

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      You need to get the “properties” of the image you want and you get that by right clicking on the photo.

      Then when the window comes up you go to “Address” – put your cursor over the address then highlight
      it and copy.

      When you paste it into the comments section just make sure it is not too close to any comment you made or title you wanted to give it.

      Give it as least two spaces or it won’t post. If that happens just ask and Rev Amy or I can fix it for you. I have to fix my own for that reason more than I would like to admit.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      LOL – when I saw your question, Gina, I just knew Marge would help you with this. She has this whole photo thing down, thank heavens!

      Thanks, Marge!

      Gina, I’ll give it a shot:


  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    The Steve Deace show last night said much of what the articles you mention said – a feeling of liberation. Here’s the link to the podcast:

    I confess I like the podcasts because I don’t have to listen to the endless commercials on radio. I do the same for Mark Levin. These men are so much more interesting to listen to then FOX ever was. And they are smarter and more honest. It’s been not only eye-opening for me but a learning experience.

    Deace also talks about why the so-called “Evangelicals” voted for Trump in the 3rd hour. Very interesting and I think pretty dead on. I’ll be interested to hear what you think about that Rev Amy.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I had to interrupt listening to it for a few minutes to get some chores done, so I am not at that part yet, but I agree – what they said abt the SCOTUS was VERY interesting indeed. It is the dog whistle to the RNC that Roe v. Wade is to the DNC.

      And yes, the discussions are so much smarter, entertaining, and enlightening that what we have gotten from Fox. I am so glad you have turned us on to Deace!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I am so glad that I listened to those that told me to try listening to him. I’ve learned so much. And none of the damn talking over each other. Like you I just pause when I have things to do and go back and listen to the rest as I have time and the inclination.

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    Millions of us are strangers in our own party.

    No, this is not because of Donald Trump’s victories over the past few months, although it is certainly a reflection of them. It is because the media has succeeded in helping reelect every single RINO incumbent in every election cycle and most open races, including in this much-vaunted year of the outsider.

    The system is rigged, but not in the way Donald Trump claims; he is the recipient of the rigged system. It is rigged because anyone who is truly a smart and principled conservative will be destroyed in a primary – either overpowered by the media or the superior power, money or fame of the non-conservative candidate who almost always runs as a conservative outsider as well.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Excellent article. Thank you for this, Marge. It is an outstanding companion piece to the Deace podcast from last night!

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    Hannity Says It’s ‘Extremely Shallow’ for People to Blame Him for Rise of Trump

    Oops, the #NeverTrump – #NeverFOX shoe must be beginning to pinch just a tad – suck it up Hannity you will never convince us.

  9. helenk3 Says:

    rolling stones tell the donald “do not play our music”

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Can’t say as I blame them. But hey, I wish the Rolling Stones would give it up and quit playing their music. Damn, talk about over the hill.

  10. helenk3 Says:

    OMG this is what the trump supporters want?

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      It isn’t as if they know what they want. Other than a wall. I say give them one. Put them all in one state, with Trump, and build a wall around that.

  11. helenk3 Says:

    will be some empty chairs at the republican convention

  12. helenk3 Says:


  13. helenk3 Says:

    why is this not a surprise?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Well, it isn’t a surprise to US because we are thinking people who don’t buy into con men’s games. But for the minions of Donald Trump, it would be news – if they cared about facts, that is!

      Thanks for this!

  14. helenk3 Says:

    wow, did they put donna brazille in charge?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      DANG!! The States haven’t finished voting yet, and the Convention hasn’t been held yet. Isn’t this just a TAD premature?!

    • GinaR Says:

      Good. Let everyone who supports Trump stay in the GOP so we know who they are and withdraw OUR support. And let all the conservatives with values, who are being purged from the decaying GOP, form a 3rd party, The Constitutional Conservatives.

      And sadly, Nikki Haley said this: “I will support the Republican nominee for president … and I am not interested in serving as vice president,” Haley said in a statement Wednesday after Donald Trump became the presumptive nominee. I’d hoped she would stand with those who have stated they will not support him.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Good point abt letting them stay. Haley has been very clear, though, that she does NOT like Trump. Maybe she, like others of us, hope the delegates do not allow this disaster of a man to BE the nominee…

  15. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    A dear friend shared the following video on Facebook:

    May we never forget the millions whose lives were taken by unspeakable atrocities, the families who were torn asunder, the communities lost, or the devastation that such events could be done by the hand of people and for so long. May we never forget.

    And may we celebrate the spirit of a people who, despite the unimaginable, have carried on…

  16. helenk3 Says:

    if you don’t laugh, you’ll cry so you might as well laugh

  17. helenk3 Says:

    good article

  18. helenk3 Says:

  19. helenk3 Says:

    i just commented on a facebook post. they showed newt gingrich talking about how disloyal it was to the republican party not to support trump. HOw it was owed to the republican party to support their candidate.
    maybe it is me but I think
    the republican party owes the people a better candidate. they owe the people a much better job than they have done and are doing.

    guess I will get trumped

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      You are SO right, Helen. Gingrich is just eying a position for himself to get back into power. He clearly doesn’t give a damn abt this nation.

      And no – no one owes the PARTY anything. Your response is perfect!

  20. helenk3 Says:

    random thought
    why do people assume because you like Ted Cruz that your only problem is trump is that you like Cruz better?
    there are so many things wrong about trump that even if Cruz had not run I still would not vote for him.

    he is a whining con man

    he has nothing but contempt for the people who vote for him

    he has not a clue on how to govern

    he will make this once great nation into a great sick joke on the world stage

    that is what I think

    • helenk3 Says:

      he is clinton’s trojan horse to bring chaos to the republican party.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      No kidding, huh? I had a friend who will support Trump now call to tell me that he remembers how upset I was when Clinton suspended her campaign, so he wanted to reach out abt Cruz, and no doubt, reinforce why he was voting for Trump (btw, he used to work with Clinton).

      I made it clear to him that I had not invested anywhere NEAR the time, money, or energy into Cruz, that Cruz wasn’t even in my top three picks initially. My anger and frustration was more that only 1/3 of Reps wanted this con man, that they were enabled by Dems picking the weakest candidate, and that our nation is going down a path from which it will be hard indeed to recover. So, yeah – while I know Cruz would do a LOT of good, it is more abt what Trump or Clinton will do to this nation.

      And you are so right abt the Trojan horse aspect – that is very much the theme of my newest post.

  21. helenk3 Says:

    this is a must read.
    trump is doing the same thing

  22. helenk3 Says:

    now they are going after Paul Ryan because he is not ready to deal with trump.trashing him just like they did Ted Cruz
    trump is not the president, the convention has not been held yet.

    does anyone see brown shirts made in Italy here?
    any one who does not fall into lockstep must be destroyed

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Exactly, Helen. Trump and his minions seem to forget there is still time…

      So disturbing what he and his followers are doing and how they are acting…

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