“If You Embrace Trump…”And Some Options *Open Thread*


Recently Charlie Sykes was on with Megyn Kelly and made quite the pronouncement, one with which I wholeheartedly agree: if you vote for Trump, you are essentially endorsing every crazy thing, every insult, he has made (h/t piper):

The Weekly Standard has the salient quote just to make sure you get the full impact of Sykes’ comments )h/t Facebook friend):

“Yeah, well Donald Trump is a serial liar, a con man who mocks the disabled and women. He’s a narcissist and a bully, a man with no fixed principles who has the vocabulary of an emotionally insecure 9-year-old. So no, I don’t want to give him control of the IRS, the FBI, and the nuclear codes. That’s just me.”


“But at some point—if you understand, and this is not just ideological, it’s not just the fact that he’s abandoned one position after another or that he has the penchant for internet hoaxes or conspiracy theories. I mean a week ago tonight, remember, he was peddling the notion that Ted Cruz’s dad had something do with the JFK assassination. So there are people who say that just because of party loyalty we’re supposed to forget all of that. I just don’t buy that. Because I’ve cautioned my fellow conservatives, you embrace Donald Trump, you embrace it all. You embrace every slur, every insult, every outrage, every falsehood. You’re going to spend the next six months defending, rationalizing, evading all that. And afterwards, you come back to women, to minorities, to young people and say, that wasn’t us. That’s not what we’re about. The reality is, if you support him to be president of the United States, that is who you are, and you own it. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

“The reality is, if you support him to be president of the United States, that is who you are, and you own it…”

And there you have it. Couldn’t have said it better myself. If, after all the insane things Trump has said, and the immoral, unethical, irresponsible things he has done, someone still supports him, that says a whole helluva lot about them.

And to that point, Greg Gutfeld made an excellent statement about Trump and his antics on The Five. While I no longer watch the Trump Channel (aka, Fox News), sites like The Right Scoop provide great Greg Gutfeld quips about Trump, including this one:

No kidding!! Someone who made the kind of insulting, demeaning, bullying comments to and about anyone would NEVER be allowed to be on the network that champions All Things Trump.

This reminds me of when Obama was running, and people like my younger brother who works at a flagship state university was all gung-ho Obama. Meanwhile, had Obama applied for a teaching position at the same university based on his flimsy record AND his plagiarism, he NEVER would have gotten hired there. But he is worthy to be the President?? I think we have already found out how fallacious that line of reasoning is, and the same goes for The Donald.

There are any number of claims Trump has made throughout the course of this campaign that have highlighted the difficulty Trump has with the truth. His recent boasts about his abilities to garner votes from certain populations is a case in point. It is one CNN decided to check out for themselves. The Right Scoop has two videos showing both the reality about Independents and Women. Suffice it to say, the ol’ Trumpster didn’t do so great with either group. Shocking, I know.

But there are some options for those of us in the Never Trump camp besides being “bitter clingers,” though we can still be bitter that with such a deep bench, the presumptive nominee is someone who never should have even made Water Boy. I mean, really – how could we NOT be bitter?? That said, Liz Mair has a piece in The Federalist that outlines four different paths people can take to circumvent the Trump takeover. Here are a couple of options:

[…] 1. Support the Libertarian Party Candidate

Perhaps the most straightforward way to avoid casting a vote for either Hillary or Trump is vote for someone else who will be on your ballot. Thanks to the Libertarian Party’s performance in recent elections, this will be an option for a lot of disaffected voters—whether or not they decide to exercise it.


2. Keep Working the Delegates

When Never Trump activists committed to doing whatever it takes to stop Trump tell people they’re prepared to keep working Republican Convention delegates to get them to do what is necessary to keep Trump off the general election ballot, they tend to get a response that is somewhere between puzzled and bemused.

But there are Never Trumpers, including some with ample experience of rules fights, who argue that at the convention, delegates can, should, and will be pressured to throw out the entire rule book and do what they want, as members of the Republican Party, a self-governing entity. A lot of the delegates will be tempted, at the least. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

There is much more to both points, and two remaining options as well, including forming a new party altogether. That concept seems to be gaining some steam, and rightly so. The Conservative Movement has been hijacked, and was allowed to be, I might add.  Forming a new party may take more time than is available before the election, but clearly, either the Republican Party needs to be reclaimed, or drop-kicked for something better.

The delegates have NOT been apportioned yet, as I keep mentioning. And as Mair noted, Cruz has a real way with the delegates. So unless Trump crosses that magic threshold before the Convention, there is always some hope that the true Conservative delegates will NOT allow Trump to become the Republican standard bearer. Id they do, there really is no difference at all between the two parties. In my opinion, that is.

There are options to voting for Trump,  but as Sykes said, if one DOES, that person owns every assholic, terrible, insulting, bullying, abusive thing Trump has said or done. Hope they can live with it, but the rest of us shouldn’t have to do so.

That’s what I think. How about you? This is an Open Thread.


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48 Responses to ““If You Embrace Trump…”And Some Options *Open Thread*”

  1. piper Says:

    Interesting article on the reason Drumpf is running – to take apart the Republican Party.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That would surprise me not one bit, and give more credence to his being a bit of a plant considering his liberal bona fides are far better documented than his Republican ones. I just cannot believe so many Republicans were stupid enough to support this man, who is as Marge has noted, downright crazy. That they are so angry they really would be willing to “burn it all down” puts them RIGHT in his camp…

  2. piper Says:

    Reposting my thoughts

    Last night at knitting, one of my friends, suggested that Paul Ryan stepping down from being the RNC convention chair is an interesting development – as a way to stonewall Trump from getting the nod and choosing Ryan to run as their preferred candidate. Honestly I think that the big boys see the disaster heading their way if Drumpf is the candidate affecting many races – local, state and national. Polls, smolls at this point are really useless given how many people now have cell phones instead of land lines which are more likely answered by seniors who I’m not knocking as I’m one myself. But as soon as my security system is redone, I’ll be dropping my land line to save a few dollars.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I honestly don’t think Ryan has presidential aspirations at this time. Maybe 2020 but not right now. He is surely smart enough to know that the GOP leadership trying to make him the winner of a race he never ran would only enrage everyone. I know it would me.

      I wonder if he doesn’t just want to distance himself from the disaster in the making in Cleveland. Possibly because if they can come to no decision the decision will be thrown to the House.

      Paul Ryan kingmaker perhaps? Or just Paul Ryan just not wanting to be tarred with the convention crazy brush? Unlike many my crystal ball often gives me no good answers. But I put nothing beyond any of those who have stayed too long at the Washington trough.

  3. piper Says:

    Donnie now says he won’t release his tax returns


    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I suspected all along that he had something to hide. No I am sure of it. Not as rich as advertised? Something is definitely rotten in Trumperville.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I saw an article the other day – can’t find it now – where a pundit said Republicans should think twice abt making Trump the nominee if he refuses to release his taxes, especially since Clinton has. I suspect, too, he has something to hide…

  4. piper Says:

    Thanks for the shout out.
    One more before I leave – a little Maxine humor

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      AHahahaha – good one, piper!

      But of course! I was glad you mentioned it in the comments yesterday, and then The Right Scoop had the video available, thankfully. Sykes is something else, and I mean that in a GOOD way!

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    Shapiro: 5 Lessons Trump’s Nomination Should Teach Republicans

    A lack of institutional trust leads to the rise of protofascists, not to a general allegiance to liberty. We hate the media, but instead of seeking honest members of the media, we revel in people who lie to the media and get away with it — people like Trump.

    We hate the corrupt political establishment, but instead of seeking people who will abide by Constitutional limitations and minimize the role of government in our lives, we seek a strong man, a bad strong man, to break apart the system. Trump’s rise both reflects and foreshadows an ugly future for the country. I hope I’m as wrong on that prediction as I was about Trump’s rise.


  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    I think we thought we were kidding…

    In five seconds of appearing on MSNBC with leftist Chris Matthews Tuesday evening, Donald Trump’s pro-Soviet Union “fixer” Paul Manafort said that Trump is now the official head of the Republican Party and that the bloviating billionaire and reality TV actor is about to turn both the upcoming GOP convention and the presidency into the “ultimate” reality TV show.


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      And there you have it, Marge. We WANTED this to be a joke, and in any other universe, it WOULD be a joke. But not with this group of Trump cultists. They’ll probably jump all over this as a GOOD thing.

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

  8. helenk3 Says:

    do you ever remember being told to “give up your principles” and vote for someone or something? I don’t.
    Tucker Carlson tells conservatives to do this and vote for trump.
    Have we really sunk that low in this country?

    • helenk3 Says:


    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I lost ALL respect for Carlson when I saw that he had said that. No more visits to the Daily Caller for me, I can tell you. WOW. It is astonishing that he would say that.

      And no – I do not remember people being told to give up their principles and go against their conscience, especially for such a HORRIBLE choice on so, so, SO many levels…

      This cult mentality in this country is really out of control…

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Tucker Carlson can bite me. Never liked the little twerp anyway.

      I don’t visit the Daily Caller because it always locks my computer up. Now I won’t feel bad about that.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        LOL – he can bite me, too. Yeah, the Daily Caller has a lot of ads that are trying to pop up, but Breitbart always screwed up my computer. Now that they are all in on Trump, I don’t care if I ever go back there again, especially since Ben Shapiro got out. No reason to go back! 🙂

    • piper Says:

      It looks like Glenn Beck has once more gone over to the dark side stopping short of endorsing Donnie.
      He’s now saying Donnie would be a better president than Hillary.

  9. helenk3 Says:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      The one thing he can’t change to is a decent human being. Anyone that calls themselves and Christian and has never asked God’s forgiveness is a phony.

      Evangelicals that support him can bite me too. If they spent more time in church on Sunday instead of at the Nascar races and worshipped God instead of some driver they could call themselves Christians. Now? Not so much. I am sick to death of all the phonies and imperfect Christian that I am I know even more imperfect people when I smell them.

  10. helenk3 Says:


    interesting thought

  11. helenk3 Says:


    Paul Ryan says NO Trump.
    a man of principle who will no ignore them

  12. kenoshamarge Says:

    One of the wise a$$es at RS said he thought the GOP should change it’s name to the Trumpster Party. I suggested the following logo – Whaddaya think?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      ROTFLMAO – love it! And funny abt the “Trumpster” thing – I think I used that same moniker in the post! 😀 LOVE the new icon!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        Did you? And I didn’t even notice. Shame on me 😢

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Oh, no worries, Marge! We’ll just chalk it up to GMTA, and I wish I had had the logo above for the post. That would have been PERFECT!!!

          • kenoshamarge Says:

            Now I am confronted with a conundrum, do I continue to call Trump supporters Trumpanzees or the newest appellation Trumpster Trash? Hmm, decisions, decisions.

    • piper Says:

      Trumpkins aka trumpanzees aka trumpsters are Just like the progressives who are willing to dump our country in the dumpster.

  13. piper Says:

    hmmmmmm – maybe those seniors who think Donnie is going to be good to them better rethink their vote.

    From the mouth of a Drumpf aide

    “Trump has previously repeatedly said that he would not touch Medicare and Social Security benefits if elected president. But Clovis said that may not be the case after a Trump administration is in place for a while.”

    Read rest at link: http://thehill.com/policy/finance/279605-campaign-aide-trumps-initiatives-could-lead-to-7-trillion-surplus

  14. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    It was ROMNEY who said Trump should be disqualified if he doesn’t reveal his taxes: http://www.aol.com/article/2016/05/11/mitt-romney-disqualifying-donald-trump-tax-returns/21375535/

  15. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Ohmygosh – I SOOOOOO hope Rhodes ends up facing some SERIOUS repercussions for this. Obama, too: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/279616-white-house-aide-called-to-hill-following-iran-comments

  16. helenk3 Says:


    read this the other day. so what are the odds that the people who contribute to her will prosecute her?

  17. helenk3 Says:


    read this today

    are these the same countries that are NOT taking refugees?

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Why would the countries in the ME work to solve the refugee problem when fools in Europe and the USA are willing to do it for them?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Uh, yeah – how abt that, eh? And good point abt the refugees, Marge.

  18. helenk3 Says:


    I am so in agreement with what this man writes.
    country before party always
    country before a con man always

  19. helenk3 Says:


    interesting analogy

  20. helenk3 Says:


    trump would need a brain transplant for this to happen

  21. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Oh, good Lord. Et tu, Ryan?? The latest on his meeting with Trump: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/279688-ryan-very-encouraged-by-meeting-with-trump

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