I Was A PUMA Then, And I’m A PUMA Now *Open Thread*

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Back in 2008, many of us  felt, check that, KNEW, the DNC cheated by putting Barack Obama at the top of the Presidential ticket, threatening delegates to fall in line and not even wanting them to  give Clinton the delegate votes she earned, but attempted to make it unanimous behind their chosen one. (You may recall that they also took actual votes cast for Clinton and gave them to Obama. Flat out gave away votes registered by American citizens. Wow.) We resisted the drumbeat of Obama cultists and sycophants to “unite the party” then, claiming the mantle of PUMA + Party Unity My Ass.

As an aside, for many of us, myself included, that was the end of our choosing the Democratic party to represent us since it evidenced so clearly how completely un-Democratic it was/is. Considering how far Left it is now, it was bound to leave me behind. But that’s just me.

cb051916dapc20160519104819Anyway, now the Trumpsters are calling for the Republican Party to unite behind their Charlatan Con-Man whom they have apparently chosen based solely on his persona and nothing else. They don’t give a whit about what he has said, what his ever-changing positions are, how he treats people including those whose votes he wants, and even encourages his Trumpsters to get up in the grills of people to strong arm them into voting for this singularly unsuitable candidate.

But then as now, not just because I am an Independent, but because I am a thinking, moral, ethical person, I will not fall in line. PUMA then, PUMA now. And here are some reasons why from an excellent, albeit disturbing, article in WaPo, “This is how fascism comes to America,” by Robert Kagan (h/t my dear friend, Gina, for the link):

The Republican Party’s attempt to treat Donald Trump as a normal political candidate would be laughable were it not so perilous to the republic. If only he would mouth the party’s “conservative” principles, all would be well.

But of course the entire Trump phenomenon has nothing to do with policy or ideology. It has nothing to do with the Republican Party, either, except in its historic role as incubator of this singular threat to our democracy. Trump has transcended the party that produced him. His growing army of supporters no longer cares about the party. Because it did not immediately and fully embrace Trump, because a dwindling number of its political and intellectual leaders still resist him, the party is regarded with suspicion and even hostility by his followers. Their allegiance is to him and him alone.

And the source of allegiance? We’re supposed to believe that Trump’s support stems from economic stagnation or dislocation. Maybe some of it does. But what Trump offers his followers are not economic remedies — his proposals change daily. What he offers is an attitude, an aura of crude strength and machismo, a boasting disrespect for the niceties of the democratic culture that he claims, and his followers believe, has produced national weakness and incompetence. His incoherent and contradictory utterances have one thing in common: They provoke and play on feelings of resentment and disdain, intermingled with bits of fear, hatred and anger. His public discourse consists of attacking or ridiculing a wide range of “others” — Muslims, Hispanics, women, Chinese, Mexicans, Europeans, Arabs, immigrants, refugees — whom he depicts either as threats or as objects of derision. His program, such as it is, consists chiefly of promises to get tough with foreigners and people of nonwhite complexion. He will deport them, bar them, get them to knuckle under, make them pay up or make them shut up.

Well, that pretty much sums up how Trump and his minions are acting. But as Kagan notes, a Trump Presidency is dangerous to the Republic. In fact, it hastens the rise of this nation toward Fascism:

[…]

A great number will simply kid themselves, refusing to admit that something very different from the usual politics is afoot. Let the storm pass, they insist, and then we can pick up the pieces, rebuild and get back to normal. Meanwhile, don’t alienate the leader’s mass following. After all, they are voters and will need to be brought back into the fold. As for Trump himself, let’s shape him, advise him, steer him in the right direction and, not incidentally, save our political skins.

What these people do not or will not see is that, once in power, Trump will owe them and their party nothing. He will have ridden to power despite the party, catapulted into the White House by a mass following devoted only to him. By then that following will have grown dramatically. Today, less than 5 percent of eligible voters have voted for Trump. But if he wins the election, his legions will likely comprise a majority of the nation. Imagine the power he would wield then. In addition to all that comes from being the leader of a mass following, he would also have the immense powers of the American presidency at his command: the Justice Department, the FBI, the intelligence services, the military. Who would dare to oppose him then? Certainly not a Republican Party that lay down before him even when he was comparatively weak. And is a man like Trump, with infinitely greater power in his hands, likely to become more humble, more judicious, more generous, less vengeful than he is today, than he has been his whole life? Does vast power un-corrupt?

This is how fascism comes to America, not with jackboots and salutes (although there have been salutes, and a whiff of violence) but with a television huckster, a phony billionaire, a textbook egomaniac “tapping into” popular resentments and insecurities, and with an entire national political party — out of ambition or blind party loyalty, or simply out of fear — falling into line behind him. (Click here to read the rest.)

That is just it – there are those who think they can just go ahead and let this man into the White House, and we’ll deal with it later.

How has that mindset worked out with twice-elected President Barack Obama? Yeah, not so hot.

Trump is WAY more of an unknown, loose canon, loony tunes than Obama is. And yes, electing someone like him based on nothing more than a bunch of empty, meaningless words and his portrayal of what he thinks a Republican is, will do untold damage to this nation. For Republicans to now be pushing for Party Unity, and to attempt to “normalize” someone like Trump says a whole lot about them, and none of it good.

We can’t have that. We just cannot. A third party needs to rise up, or the Delegates need to get a grasp on reality, SOMETHING, to keep this man out of office. And no, we won’t unify behind him. Not just no, HELL no.

At least that’s what I say. How about you?

This is an Open Thread.

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53 Responses to “I Was A PUMA Then, And I’m A PUMA Now *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Great post Rev! You nailed it and him and them.

    Back in 2008 we had to fight the barbarian hordes of the Obamacrats and now it’s the Trumpster Trash. Join with them? I stay as far from these cult scum as possible.

    Some say they are just caught up in their anger. Really? Are we not angry too? Is there no outrage among the rest of the voters, those with a pulse, about what the political parties have done to this country?

    Damn right we’re angry. That doesn’t mean we are willing to throw away every principle we ever had because of it.

    The media has a lot to answer for in the declining freedoms in this country. But voters who let their anger deaden their common sense and sense of what is right and what is wrong have their own share of answering to do.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      And before I forget – I am most definitely PUMA too.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks so much, Marge! Glad you think so.

      And hell yes, we are angry, but we didn’t check our brains at the door either. That a loud minority of Republicans (and a lot of Dems who think a vote for Trump in the Primaries was surely going to push Clinton in the General) want this man who is just deplorable on a HOST of levels as the leader of the Free World is just insane, made even more so by establishment Republicans getting on board and wanting to push him, too. I have lost respect for a bunch of people, friends and politicians, who support this Man-child who is far worse than Obama (who woulda thunk that was possible?!).

      But yes, since both Trump and Clinton are so disliked, this may well be the year the grip of these parties – flip sides of each other – finally meet their comeuppance. Gotta hope so anyway…

      • amarissa Says:

        “I have lost respect for a bunch of people, friends and politicians, who support this Man-child who is far worse than Obama (who woulda thunk that was possible?!).” Exactly, Amy, it is exactly how I feel too.

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    58 Percent of Voters Willing To Go With Someone Other Than Trump or Clinton

    By Nick Gillespie

    Can the LP and other third-parties rise to the opportunity? This election is already providing the most-fertile ground for a powerful third-party or independent run. Is the Libertarian Party (LP), the only other party that will be on the ballot in all 50 states, ready for that challenge?

    The LP picks its nominee next weekend and whether it turns out to be the 2012 nominee, former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, or someone else, the candidate will need to be serious in a way that he didn’t need to be in past elections. What is the grand theme of the LP candidacy? What are broad-brush points on war, spending, taxes, and the like?

    It’s worth pointing out that Johnson is already getting 10 percent in a new Fox News poll and got 11 percent in a Monmouth University survey a month or so ago. That almost certainly reflects the interest in anybody other than Clinton or Trump rather than anything specific to Johnson or the LP.

    http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/22/58-percent-of-voters-willing-to-go-with

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      There is a HUGE disconnect between the majority of Americans and the two people the Parties have pushed. As I noted above, this may well be the time to break the grip of the DNC/GOP. Hey, I can hope, can’t I?

      • empty pockets Says:

        Excellent article. There is no part with which I disagree. Thank you.

        I heard an interview with Austin Peterson-L yesterday (on Beck’s radio show probably available on the cloud). He is young and vibrant and a constitutional Libertarian who understands the difference between his Party’s theories and how poorly they would work in current conditions. He also says–repeatedly—as president “my job is to enforce the laws, all of them, even those I may not like.”

        Their convention is this weekend (if I understood him correctly) and if he is their nominee, I will gleefully cast my vote for him. (Johnson is not the man he used to be nor as respectful of our constitution as he should be now.) Otherwise, the top of my ballot will remain blank for I will not enable criminal co-conspirators, sociopaths and greedy, self-aggrandizing narcissists…either of them.

        I’m angry, too. I’ve been angry since the beginning of the tea party–before, even. Long before most of the Trump-trash even woke up to the plight we’ve been in. But I have not and will not allow my anger to override my principles or my reason. And I’m all done holding my nose when voting for president. I may have to do it down ballot far too often but those people don’t have the “football” and the fate of the world balancing on their words and actions.

        Opposing evil is not enough to triumph over it. One must also actively CHOOSE good.

        I’m more than PUMA. I’m #AlwaysConstitutionFirst

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Thank you, empty pockets, and thank you for your great comment. Welcome to my little blog!

          And yes, #AlwaysConstitutionFirst is definitely my mindset as well. I last held my nose to vote for a candidate back in 2004 when John Kerry wan against Bush. I had never liked Kerry, but I was a good little Dem soldier back then. Not any more. I do’t even recognize what has happened to the Dem. Party since that time.

          But yeah, vote for Trump? Hell no. And I love this part of your comment: “Opposing evil is not enough to triumph over it. One must also actively CHOOSE good.” Amen to that!

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

  4. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Saw this today and was so glad these women in NC are standing up to the bullying overreach of the DOJ and Obama Administration: http://dailysignal.com/2016/05/23/meet-the-moms-fighting-the-government-over-their-childrens-bathroom-privacy/

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I think you will see more of this as time goes by. People now see that they cannot depend on the government to protect them, or their children, from the never ending deprecations of the federal liberal scum. Knowing you are on your own makes you fight. It might even make for better fighters who fight longer and harder. I know one thing, home schooling is going to increase.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I sure hope so, Marge. I hope parents across the country band together and sue over this both the Feds and any state gov’ts that go along with this “extortion,” as the one mom from Charlotte correctly identified this.

        CONGRESS controls the purse strings. When are THEY going to stand up to Obama’s blackmail attempts?

        I bet you are right abt homeschooling. If I had kids I would send them to private school or homeschool them. This has just gotten out of hand…

  5. helenk3 Says:

    the loss of constructive anger hurts this country badly. Very few people are happy with either party, due to their failures toward this country.
    Blind anger accomplishes nothing, in fact it hurts more than it helps. It the politicians can keep blind anger going and not constructive anger, they keep their jobs.
    Trump keeps the blind anger going, this only helps the politicians in both parties. what is that old saying , “give them bread and circuses”
    just my opinion

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yes, it truly does hurt the nation. It is taking us down a dangerous path indeed.

      And you are so right – Trump stokes that anger a LOT, and loves to keep his minions hyped up on it. Hence why he keeps repeating the same lines over and over and over…

      • amarissa Says:

        As I told you a few days ago, it is called “brainwashing” and it is a big part of communist countries and dictatorships. That is what Trump is, a dictator, fascist and everything else that is bad in the world!

      • empty pockets Says:

        There’s a very good reason why Trump “loves his poorly educated voters”–as he says. He is an actual Repub in name only and a progressive leftist one at that. He’s aware of the intentional dumbing down that’s been going on for a century as the progressives increasingly infested the education system and made it the Department of Indoctrination and Conditioning. They’ve been trained as [Stalin’s] ‘useful idiots’, tools of whatever regime is in power or whatever loudmouth can grab their attention with noise and “shiny objects”. Donald is using that for his own benefit, as he uses everything else.

        The only way either of the two co-conspirators would ever get my vote is if I was on their jury. I’d vote “guilty” and convict.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          ROTFLMAO – oh, my – I LOVE that abt when you would actually vote for either one! Hilarious!

          No kidding abt Trump. Honest to pete, I cannot understand for the LIFE of me why people who consider themselves Conservatives, Independents, or Libertarians would support someone like Trump with his numerous connections to the Left, including the Clintons, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer. It defies all reason, as well as their very refusal to hold Trump accountable for any of the things he has said in the past, including the past week. They are making Obots look like little Einsteins…

          You are so, so right abt the Educational System. I was thinking recently of the rhetoric of People for the American Way (remember them). They were saying abt 20 yrs ago how conservatives had infiltrated school boards and liberals had to get on them in big numbers. Well, I guess leftist did (or PFAW was exaggerating the “threat: on school boards) since a whole lot has changed in the past 20 yrs, not for the better. Now it is all abt FEELINGS, everyone being special so no one is special, etc., etc. It is truly astonishing…

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Obama has done his best separate us by race and by gender policing. Now Trump and the Trumpanzees separate the Republican Party.

      In the end the liberals, that want to control every aspect of your life, win. And the corrupt Republicans stay in power. Which is all they care about.

      Constituents and Country? Not even on the radar of most politicians on the left or the right. They know that comes election day most voters will vote either the “R” or the “D” of their tribe. All to vote against that evil other party. What a bunch of nonsense.

  6. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/05/new_fast_and_furious_emails_show_obama_administration_obstructing_congress.html

    guess backtrack will spend his last day writing a lot of pardons

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Well, I am glad it is now GLARINGLY obvious, though many of us already knew they were obstructing Congress, thereby US.

  7. helenk3 Says:

    PUMA RULES

    COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    still believe that

  8. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/temp-worker-freeze-bodes-ill-for-economy/ar-BBtkY3Y?ocid=spartanntp

    this does not look good

  9. helenk3 Says:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/05/23/va-secretary-you-dont-judge-your-experience-at-disneyland-based-on-the-wait-times-do-you/

    I swear backtrack hires the dumb, dumber, and dumbest

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      At times when you hear or read what these clowns say you wonder if you’ve been transported to “The Onion” or to a skit on SNL. How can people this clueless get into positions of power?

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        No kidding, huh? It is really remarkable. And then they’ll tart backtracking, telling us we didn’t hear what they said clearly or some other claptrap like that.

        Anyway – wow. Just SMH…

  10. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/273035-school-bans-playground-whistling-too-aggressive-some-children-may-be-afraid-of-the-noise/

    what are we doing to our kids?
    they would have had heart attacks dealing with the nuns with clickers

    • amarissa Says:

      ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      You have just GOT to be kidding with this!! Seriously?!?!? WOW…

      No wonder some parents are homeschooling, as we discussed above. Our project manager for our new house told us today that they are home schooling their children for a number of reasons. Can’t wait to mention THIS to him! (Oh, one of his big reasons is that his wife can tailor instruction to suit each child. Like his oldest is very good in Math and the Sciences, but what worked for him did not work for their second child.)

      This has just gotten to be insane.

    • GinaR Says:

      So, will train engineers have to stop blowing their whistles? Car drivers stop honking their horns? Airports be closed down because the noise of planes taking off might scare someone? Are we the only ones with brains left on this earth???

      Any kid who’s afraid of a whistle needs intervention. Now.

  11. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/05/obamas_visit_to_vietnam_comes_as_mass_demonstrations_protest_pollution_and_massive_fish_kills_.html

    backtrack will excuse this

  12. helenk3 Says:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      The purpose of the Constitution is to limit the power of the government not the power of the people. Ever wonder how many people actually know that?

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Good question, and yes, I think most DON’T know that. The government, especially THIS government, sure isn’t going to push that point…

      • GinaR Says:

        They don’t teach the Constitution in school any more, Marge. They teach white privilege, black victimization, transgenderism, gender fluidity, safe spaces, never be offended, get rewarded for participating, restrict free speech, and never tolerate anyone who has a different opinion than you. History? American Government? The Constitution? Civics? Naaaaaah. So yesterday.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Sadly, Gina, that is too true. It is all so “yesterday.” It simply boggles the mind how the Left was able to corrupt Education, beginning early on with dumbing down children, and making their emotions the primary concern, elevating them to the point where they never grow out of temper tantrum throwing toddlers demanding their safe space and comeuppance for anyone who offends them with a microaggression. It is beyond disturbing.

          Never mind the lack of Civics being taught these days…

  13. helenk3 Says:

    watching through tears.
    on a day that backtrack says it is ok to sell arms to north vietnam

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/05/23/dying-paralyzed-veteran-granted-final-wish-of-seeing-horses/

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh, Helen – what a bittersweet, and beautiful story abt this Vietnam vet seeing his horses again.

      And yes – it is more than a tad ironic that it happened on the same day Obama lifted even more bans…

  14. helenk3 Says:

    http://clashdaily.com/2015/04/freddy-grays-arrest-record-heres-the-rap-sheet-of-the-dude-theyre-destroying-baltimore-over/

  15. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/obama-gets-dissed-top-vietnamese-officials-skip-greeting-airport/

    dissed again

  16. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/robert-e-moffit/obamas-latest-executive-overreach-medicare

    now he is after medicare

  17. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Well, even if the Media and the RNC Powers That Be don’t hold Trump accountable for hi big fat lie abt raising money for vets, this Marine veteran sure as hell will (h/t Facebook friend): http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2016/05/marines-plan-historic-protest-demand-trump-apologize-for-lying-about-vet-fundraiser-00932817.html

  18. GinaR Says:

    Oh my gosh, Amy, I’d completely forgotten about PUMA. But it holds even more weight now than it did 8 years ago. I’m an Independent, so I hold no allegiance to either party, but I certainly will not cast a vote for ANYONE who puts party before country. I won’t be voting for any Democrat, and I sure won’t be casting my vote for any Republican who supports and endorses Donald Trump. If they are supporting him because they believe in him, then they are as mentally deficient as he is. If they are supporting him simply because he has an ‘R’ after his name, then they belong to a party that no longer represents any of the conservative values I believe in. That article by Kagan cinched it for me; I was questioning whether or not I would withhold my vote from a Republican who supported DT. After reading Kagain’s article, I know I can’t.

    PUMA then. PUMA now. PUMA forever.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Excellent points, Gina – I am right there with you. If my Rep. and US Senator up for re-election (Scott) endorse Trump, there is very little reason for me to go to the polls.

      Unless there is a viable third party person, then hell yes, I’ll go – especially if that means Clinton and Trump will be stopped…

  19. helenk3 Says:

    http://conservativeread.com/dojs-fast-and-furious-program-was-undertaken-to-gin-up-a-crisis-to-crackdown-on-americans-guns/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    every day you wonder how low the backtrack bunch can go, every day they exceed expectations

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That this was their rationale surprises me not one bit. I think as the years go by, we will learn just how far and wide are the depths this Administration has taken this nation to fulfill their ideological insanities…

  20. helenk3 Says:

    http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/05/23/boom-disney-responds-va-secretarys-comments-measuring-wait-times/

    Disney replies

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I JUST mentioned something abt McDonald in the new post. This comment would be most appropriate there if you feel like moving this up!

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