IRS In More Hot Water, And Cleta Mitchell Gives A Lesson On The Constitution To An IRS Employee *Open Thread*


As I noted in my post, “Do You Hear Me Now?,”  the head of the IRS, John Koskinen, is facing possible impeachment charges for his actions at the IRS. Fingers crossed THAT happens since I can think of few other such worthy candidates for impeachment (along with Robert McDonald at the VA).

But there are other reasons for Koskinen to be handed his hat besides his lying and obfuscation to Congress. Try the IRS taking money from small businesses because it can. Oh, yes it did. From the Daily Signal:


In Feb. 2012, two federal agents told Sowers, who owns South Mountain Creamery in Frederick, Md. that the Internal Revenue Service was seizing more than $60,000 from his farm’s bank account under a subset of civil forfeiture laws governing cash transactions.

According to the IRS, Sowers had committed structuring violations. Structuring is the act of making consistent cash deposits or withdrawals of under $10,000 to avoid government reporting requirements.

But the dairy farmer didn’t know he was doing anything wrong, and because Sowers and his wife sold milk at local farmer’s markets—where customers paid primarily in cash—they frequently made cash deposits into the business’s bank account.

 Sowers and his wife tried to fight to the government to get their money back, but ultimately decided to settle.
The IRS returned $33,436 to the Sowers and kept $29,500.

Here’s the thing: that these dairy farmers had so much of their assets seized in the FIRST place is astonishing. Perhaps the IRS could have done just a BIT of due diligence before absconding with the funds of these farmers. But for them to have to SETTLE with the IRS, and lose almost THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS on top of it all is horrifying. Making a living as a farmer is a tough row to hoe anyway, but especially when the Federal Government steps in and helps itself to their hard-earned money.

The Sowers aren’t taking this lying down though (nor should they). Sowers and his attorney are going before a Congressional subcommittee today to discuss this very issue:


“One of the main issues that’s going to come out of this hearing is the IRS still is holding tens of millions of dollars that it seized from people that it wouldn’t have seized under its policies today,” Johnson told The Daily Signal. “Those people deserve to get their money back, and Randy Sowers deserves to get his money back.”

Members of the subcommittee, led by Chairman Peter Roskam, R-Ill., will hear from Sowers and Johnson, as well as representatives from the IRS and Justice Department, including IRS Commissioner John Koskinen.

“It’s so clear on its face: this is an abuse of power,” Roskam told The Daily Signal. “The government is being dismissive of notions of fundamental justice, even when they acknowledge that the underlying policy is wrong, even when the IRS has apologized for the implementation of that policy. It is still a miserable enterprise trying to funds restored to the individuals.” […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Yes, it IS an abuse of power, something that seems to be the norm at the IRS these days.

But that’s not the only one, oh no. The IRS is also busy DESTROYING RECORDS. Oh, and yes, that is just a tad wrong, another mark against Koskinen, and another reason why the IRS is in hot water. From the Wall Street Journal via Legal Insurrection:


Instant Document Destruction at the IRS

Has the Internal Revenue Service been systematically evading federal record-keeping laws? On Monday the Cause of Action Institute sued the IRS and commissioner John Koskinen for refusing to preserve electronic employee communications that concern official business.

Cause of Action says that in 2010 the IRS struck a little-noticed agreement with the National Treasury Employees Union not to record employees’ instant messages. The watchdog group also says that in response to its Freedom of Information Act requests for text messages sent by senior IRS officials, the agency replied that due to “routine system housekeeping” and “spacing constraints,” IRS text messages are retained for only 14 days before they are deleted.

Both actions appear to violate the Federal Records Act that requires agencies to preserve all relevant documents. The agency says it retains emails, at least those that don’t disappear in mysterious computer crashes. But if employees can send text messages and not save them, they can avoid records retention. “No agreement with a union or any other party can supersede Americans’ right to know how the IRS makes decisions,” says Cause of Action. “In addition, the IRS is violating the law by regularly deleting all employee text messages as a matter of convenience.” (Click here to read the rest.)

Ruh roh. Looks like the IRS is breaking the law to me. Yet another reason to boot Koskinen out on his keister, am I right?

The worst part about ALL of this is that the IRS seems to forget for whom it is working – US. That WE are the ones paying their salaries, and they work for US. They are not a private company, they work for US. It is high past time they were reminded of that. And I hope these hearings are a start to that end, and an end to Koskinen’s reign. Especially their extra-Constitutional, law-breaking ways.

And speaking of the Constitution, you may recall that a whole lot of the hot water Koskinen and the IRS landed themselves in was targeting of conservative groups. Specifically, the IRS went after Tea Party groups to refuse them non-profit status because they didn’t like their positions on things. As if the IRS is supposed to be ANYTHING other than non-partisan. But it is now under Obama’s “leadership.”

Thank heavens, though, for people like Cleta Mitchell, an attorney for a lot of Tea Party groups, who sets an IRS employee straight on what the Constitution means, especially for a FEDERAL employee. Her response knocked it out of the park. Check it out (h/t Legal Insurrection for the video):


Oh, HELL yes – you tell ’em, Cleta!! That is an outstanding, perfect response to one of these IRS political sycophants. (If you want to read the exchange, you can click here.)

I fear our country is going to be hard-pressed to correct all the wrongs that have been encouraged and allowed to flourish under Obama, but I pray that with people like the Sowsers fighting back, Cause of Action, and Cleta Mitchell, that maybe, just maybe the Congress will do the right thing already.

What’s on your minds today? This is an Open Thread.


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48 Responses to “IRS In More Hot Water, And Cleta Mitchell Gives A Lesson On The Constitution To An IRS Employee *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    So sad to remember the tax reform aka a flat tax that Ted Cruz favored. Think Trump will follow that through? No, me neither. Everyone always talks about tax reform and no one ever does anything.

    I will be surprised if congress actually manages to impeach Koskinen – they’re proved to be toothless thus far.

    And now that I am finally over my crush on Trey Gowdy – when in hell is he ever going to finish his investigation. I know the Obama Administration has been fighting him tooth and nail for information he wants and needs as well as fifth columnists like Clyburn – but still?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I know Marge, it is sad, isn’t it? We could have done SO much better on this front, but no…

      Btw, Freedom Works has a way to write Rep. Ryan to demand Koskinen be impeached. Hey, it’s worth a shot, right? Here’s the link:

      ANd yeah – Gowdy has been impeded, no doubt abt it, but yeah – he needs to get this thing wrapped up and get the facts out there already…

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    Dear Christian Leaders, You’re Playing a Very Dangerous Game

    By Steve Deace

    If you are supporting Donald Trump, or flirting with doing so, you are playing a very dangerous game. There is simply no moral, biblical, or even strategic case for doing so, near as I can tell. And if I’m wrong, then let us come now and reason together.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks so much for this, Marge! I don’t understand at ALL how people who consider themselves can support a shameless adulterer, escort service operator, strip club owner, and more. But somehow they are finding a way. Go figure, because I sure can’t.

      • amarissa Says:

        Plus a racist, liar, misogynist, dictator, fascist, inept, spiteful, greedy, bully, sinner, egocentric, xenophobic and many other hateful qualities. People who support him know all these facts and yet still stand by him. They are just as bad as he is and should be held responsible if he becomes president (God forbid).

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

    Dems Want Debbie Out

    “There have been a lot of meetings over the past 48 hours about what color plate do we deliver Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s head on,” a pro-Clinton Democratic senator said, reports The Hill.

    “I don’t see how she can continue to the election,” the lawmaker added. “How can she open the convention? Sanders supporters would go nuts.”

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      My question is: what the hell took so long?!? I mean, really – that Obama picked DWS to stay as the head of the DNC said a whole lot abt the DNC. So why now do they want her to go? Just because of whackadoodle Sanders and his whackadoodle supporters? Wow.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I believe they will get rid of her to try to calm down the Bernie whackadoodles and keep them from embarrassing the party at their convention. I don’t think it will work. They have the same kind of mindset as the Trumpster Trash and I doubt they will be quiet and I suspect they would like nothing better than to embarrass the party. We’ll see. But as you can see, I’m starting with the popcorn already.

  5. piper Says:

    My feelings about the IRS are the same as Maxine.

  6. helenk3 Says:

    think anything will come of this?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Lemme take a wild stab at that – NO??

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I don’t think so. People like Hillary get to play by different rules and live by different laws. If not, her sorry ass would already be in jail.

  7. helenk3 Says:

    this makes me sick

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Sigh…Just SMH.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I will never understand the mind set of the petty people who think that anything of which they don’t approve or like or care about should be lost to those that do. Someone took the time and care to honor fallen soldiers and some petty little pisswart couldn’t stand that. I do hope God takes notice of these people. Granted they are not the most evil of people but surely they are worthy of hemorrhoids, bit hanging bloody hemorrhoids. Sit on that you moron!

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        No kidding. How the hell does it hurt this one person to see these crosses representing lives lost? HOW?? If s/he is so delicate that they cannot even stand the sight of something meant to represent the death of someone in service to this nation, they should just lock themselves away. They clearly do not have what it takes to live in an open society. Clearly.

        Cannot believe the town capitulated to this child.

  8. helenk3 Says:

    interesting reading

  9. helenk3 Says:

    the power of language

  10. piper Says:

    Another good thread from Deace about the Repub. party elites and their messaging.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I was just listening to the Deace podcast and he was talking about this. So glad someone told me about him because I learn something every time I read his articles or listen to his show.

      The same with Mark Levin and to an extent the Dana show.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Excellent piece, piper. And Marge, I am so glad you introduced me to Deace. I wish we had a whole bunch more like him!

  11. helenk3 Says:

    Trump really thinks it makes him a big man to go after women

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      And here is more about why this is so idiotic of Trump to go after Gov. Martinez on the issue of Food Stamps, which he also did last night: since Obama came on the scene, Food Stamps have gone up across the country on a MAJOR scale (, AND Gov. Martinez has already begun instituting “work for food stamp requirements” ( Bottom line, it was just a stupid, unsubstantiated attack on a very good Governor.

      And as others have highlighted, this from the man who claims he will UNIFY the Party. Right.

      One of my other first thoughts abt this is that you know her name had been mentioned in terms of a VP pick. At least now we know she won’t be sullied in that manner (Suzy was just saying she thinks Martinez must have said NO, politely, when the topic was broached, hence why Trump is going after her.).

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I still remember, and admire, Susana Martinez’s speech from the 2012 Republican Convention. I thought if was one of the best.

        Trump, in his insanity, chances angering two groups that aren’t his friends now, women and Hispanics. WTH is wrong with him? I still contend that he’s not playing with a full deck.

        Here’s that speech by Governor Martinez:

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          That was my first introduction to her as well, Marge. I thought she was just terrific. She is a tremendous asset to the Party, and for Trump to make disparaging remarks abt her and attempt to put her down says so much abt him.

          And it should say a LOT to those in the Party – not the cultists, of course – but those who are active in the Party. They better heed this very clear message.

  12. mcnorman Says:

    In life, my dad used to say there are the givers and the takers. Well, we know where these people fall and someday they will get what they so richly deserve.

    Speaking of givers and takers…Switzerland will give everyone breathing money whether they do anything or not.

    In early June the Swiss will be called upon to make a historic decision. Switzerland is the first country worldwide to put the idea of an Unconditional Basic Income (of $2,500 per month for every man, woman, and child for doing absolutely nothing) to a vote and the outcome of this referendum will set a strong precedent and establish a landmark in the evolution of this debate.

    Amazing how it the taking from the givers never ends.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      And it never will end as long as government are allowed to take from those that contribute to give to those that don’t.

      • mcnorman Says:

        Didn’t Thomas Jefferson say something about a government that gives everything that you want is also the same government that can take away everything you have?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good heavens. WTH??

  13. kenoshamarge Says:

    Brad Thor just EVISCERATED Trump, says Hillary WON’T do the damage Trump will do to America

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I love Brad Thor. I just pre-ordered his latest book. And I do love that he speaks out the way he does abt Trump. He really pulls no punches. Thank heavens for people like Thor.

  14. helenk3 Says:

    fast and furious weapons tied to 69 deaths

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      This is infuriating. It is infuriating that the DOJ was allowed to get away with this, that so few people have had comeuppance for their role in F&F, and that Eric Holder isn’t in prison for this (if nothing else). Just infuriating.

  15. helenk3 Says:

    another democrat that has a problem with the truth

  16. piper Says:

    Personally I think that Drumpf hates women and believes that they have basically one purpose to serve him especially in the bedroom. He is just as bad as the certain orthodox religious sects which have women covering up, walking several paces behind me, sitting in separate worship rooms, and having fewer rights than men.

    He will continue to denigrate strong women like Gov. Martinez whenever they do not accede to his wants and wishes. And all the women who support him have to have at least one screw loose in order to blindly follow him and rationalize his blatant disrespect toward them.

  17. helenk3 Says:

    thought this might help with some misunderstandings

  18. helenk3 Says:


  19. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Now we’re talking. Go, Cruz:

  20. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    This is infuriating. All those idiotic BDSers hating on Israel and lauding Palestine should take heed how they think of Americans in Palestine:

  21. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    But of course Sanders has a different take on Superdelegates now. He is a typical, hypocritical, politician:

  22. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I have to give credit where credit is due – seems SOMEONE In the IRS has a little bit of integrity. Of course, he no longer works there. And his big mistake was telling Koskinen and expecting him to do anything abt it:

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