It’s A (Bittersweet) Done Deal *Open Thread*


13418726_1000980633285112_6046409269007306456_nYes, it is pretty much a done deal now. The nominees for three different parties are set, with only one choice a bit more palatable than the other two. That choice also doesn’t have much of a chance of actually winning, but hey – at least those of us who choose to cast a vote for President will have a real “protest” vote option. That said, hope springs eternal that something major will happen at the Conventions, and the United States will not be overtaken by either a criminal pushing neo-Socialist ideals or by a lunatic (who may also be a criminal) who changes his mind with a whisper of a breeze. (Media above courtesy of a Facebook friend.)

I cannot help but think about what a difference eight years makes.  It was because of my support for Hillary Clinton that I began blogging in the first place. I was so sure she really was who she said she was, and still think she was vastly more experienced than Barack Obama was, and would have done a better job than he has done by a longshot. Yes, that campaign season was an eye-opening election for many of us as we realized that the Party to which we had given our allegiance was not the Party we thought it was, not by a long shot. And now, with its push for Socialism and abusing the Constitution on a regular basis, it is clear that we didn’t leave the party – it left us. It is heading down a rabbit hole many of us refuse to follow.  So yeah – the person she claimed to be then is a far cry from the person she claims to be now. It is bittersweet, then, that she has now essentially secured the Democrat nomination.

What a crazy year. Professor Larry Sabato from the Center for Politics at UVA has a good post on where we are now. I don’t want to read too much into what he writes, but he seems to be as incredulous as others of us at who is the presumptive Republican nominee. Then again, it is hard NOT to be incredulous at the very least. Sabato writes:


However, while Clinton won a majority of the pledged (elected) delegates, her majority amongst all the delegates rests on support from superdelegates, who overwhelmingly back her and are made up largely of establishment-style officeholders and party leaders. This reality, which was also the case for Barack Obama in his much narrower 2008 victory over Clinton, has left the door open for Sanders potentially to hold out until the floor vote at the convention. While it is technically possible for the party’s superdelegates to switch to Sanders (or even another candidate) between now and the convention, it seems utterly unlikely unless something dramatically bad happens to Clinton, such as an indictment for her use of private email while secretary of state. Sanders otherwise has no serious claim to the nomination: Clinton won millions more votes and hundreds more delegates in the primary and caucus season. In addition, the superdelegates are part of the rules for this year. Like it or not, as we all learned as children, you can’t change the rules in the middle of the game.

From the largest field of candidates in modern times (a total of 22: 17 on the Republican side plus five on the Democratic), the two most unpopular major-party nominees anyone can recall have emerged. Each has an intense cadre of supporters, but most people we’ve encountered are unhappy with the choice — and that’s putting it mildly.

Still, the odds are as massive as Mt. Everest that either Clinton or Trump, the latter currently possessing the higher unfavorable ratings, will win the White House, even as the candidate offerings grow (though perhaps not by enough to truly impact the election).

Over Memorial Day weekend, the Libertarians nominated an experienced ticket, with two former Republican governors at the helm, Gary Johnson of New Mexico and William Weld of Massachusetts. A few polls put Johnson, also the 2012 Libertarian nominee, at around 10% nationally, and there is the possibility — not great, but measurable — that he and Weld might gain entry into one or more of the fall debates, assuming in this crazy year that a major-party candidate in a fit of pique doesn’t drop out of the scheduled debates. A third-party or independent ticket needs to be polling at least 15% nationally in an average of five surveys selected by the Commission on Presidential Debates. As we noted in a previous Crystal Ball,the Libertarians have never topped even 2% of the presidential vote, but maybe their moment has arrived. In effect, they could be the none-of-the-above line on ballots around the country, and their platform is a mixture of GOP philosophy (small government, low taxes) and Democratic social issue preferences (pro-choice, pro-gay rights, etc.) There’s something for everyone to like, and dislike, in the Libertarian agenda.

Normally, Libertarians appear to take more votes from the Republican nominee, but that may or may not prove to be true this year. Let’s see how this complicated contest sorts itself out. The Green Party, which is likely to again nominate physician Jill Stein as its presidential standard bearer, could also attract a small number of disaffected Sanders supporters. But other than Ralph Nader’s 2000 bid, which won 2.7% nationally and arguably cost Democrat Al Gore the election, the Greens have barely registered as a national presidential force. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

Okay, so maybe I wasn’t reading too much into Prof. Sabato’s writings after all. He seems incredulous at BOTH of the choices the two major Parties put forth, though he seems to have a bit more positive view of the Libertarian ticket. Honestly, I’d be happier if it was Weld at the top of that ticket since Johnson seems a bit loopy to me. Still, at least he doesn’t appear to be insane  (Trump now wants to ban Hugh Hewitt from the Convention), and as far as I know, isn’t a criminal.

Sabato also mentions the desire for another candidate to step in, though time is running very short for that now. No kidding. Time is running short for the NATION, it seems to me.

Yes, what a difference eight years makes on so many levels…

This is an Open Thread.



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46 Responses to “It’s A (Bittersweet) Done Deal *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Having once supported Hillary Clinton it gave me no pleasure to find that the “real” Hillary Clinton was not at all who I thought she was. I don’t think she was as bad 8 years ago as she is now. Benghazi and that fatal choice was still before her. And the idiotic decision to use a private e-mail server while she was Secretary of State.

    She has been First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State. What has she accomplished?

    The public has no good choice this year. Isn’t it sad that in a nation of over 300 million people these clowns are our choices?

    With Hillary Clinton, Democrats Nominate The Worst Caricature Of Themselves

    Some of us have been sardonically congratulating the Republican Party for nominating a candidate who is “everything your enemies ever accused you of being.” But if that’s true for the GOP and Trump, it’s just as true for the Democrats and Hillary. She is the living embodiment of a whole set of stereotypes about the cynical, corrupt mandarins of big government.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Excellent points, Marge – Clinton hadn’t shot her self in the foot with the email thing, or allowed four Americans to die (though Obama shares in that responsibility too in a BIG way since it was ultimately his decision, wasn’t it?). She seemed so much smarter then too. Now she speaks on an elementary school level that drives me nuts.

      But yeah – she is indeed a caricature of a Dem candidate. Great piece by the Federalist!

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

    This seems to be her campaign in a nutshell.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Why yes, it is.

      Did you see the clip of Obama on Jimmy Fallon last night? Fallon asked if Obama thought Republicans were happy with the choice of Trump as their nominee. Obama replied, “well, WE are!” Or words to that effect. Uh, yeah – I am sure they are…

  3. helenk3 Says:

    ain’t got no money honey

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Bwahahahaha – that’s what Trump gets for bragging incessantly abt how rich he is!

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I suspect Trump isn’t as rich as he claimed. If he is why not release his taxes? If they proved him as rich as he says he would use them as bragging documents IMO. Ergo – I don’t think he has as much money as he claimed.

  4. helenk3 Says:

    where every republican governor stands

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      If Trump keeps shooting off his big, stupid mouth I suspect that list will change. I also wonder how many of those in red states reflect the will of their electorate.

  5. mcnorman Says:

    Johnson is a nut. He’s rowing with one oar in the water.

    • mcnorman Says:

      Ack, I broke my promise to me…if I can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything. snicker

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I agree. However if its him, Trump of Clinton I’ll vote for him just to poke a stick in the eye of the other two. It isn’t as if he had a chance. But it would be funny if he got 10% and got to be on a debate stage with Hillary and Trump. She could stand in the middle, a crook flanked by 2 nuts.

      So many say they will write in Cruz, which I think is pointless but I can’t do that here in Wisconsin. I want a number against somewhere.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      LOL, mcnorman – yeah, Marge is right. If we are talking politics, you’d never be able to say a word!

      And I agree abt Johnson, too. But I do like the idea of a poke in the eye to the two big parties. 😀

      • mcnorman Says:

        The platform is good, but the messenger worries me. LOL

        Well, now we have it…teh won has endorsed HRC. You gotta wonder what she did to FINALLY get that.

  6. pumaforever Says:

    A little bit of funny to brighten your day.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      ROTFLMAO – that was SO cute, Puma! Thank you!

      And sorry your comment was held up in moderation. I had to tell it you were A-Okay in my book! Ahahaha…

      • GinaR Says:

        When I was just added, it set up another WordPress account for me instead of using the one I usually use, so I guess it doesn’t know that Puma and Gina are the same person! LOL

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        That’s great Puma – thanks for the laugh!

  7. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Well, of COURSE Bernie “pledges to defeat Trump.” Why would he not? But for some reason, it is news:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      That’s only to be expected. I wonder what else was talked about. Did Obama tell him to get out? Bernie has vowed to stay to the end – will he?

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Good question. He and his followers are still complaining abt the system, but as Sabato said in the post above, we learned as kids that you can’t change the rules in the middle of the game. So yeah – I am sure he is getting pressured…

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    California’s Election News the MSM Isn’t Reporting

  9. kenoshamarge Says:

    I’ve mentioned more than once that I intend to vote down ticket here in Wisconsin if for no other reason than to vote for Ron Johnson and against Russ Feingold. The article below told me some things I didn’t’ know about Ron Johnson and made me like him a lot more than I did. I know that some conservatives don’t like him because he isn’t socially conservative enough. Too much time is spent looking for the perfect when the good is right in front of people IMO.

    If nothing else the GOP owes Johnson a never ending thanks for being the one who got Hillary Clinton so angry about his daring to ask her, les majesté no less, about Benghazi which ended with her infamous “what difference does it make” remark.

    Who Is Senator Ron Johnson, Anyway?

    Before 2010, Ron Johnson had no intention of entering politics. A successful businessman with an accounting background, he had spent some 30 years building a custom plastics extrusion business in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

    The national debate raging over Obamacare woke him up. He became especially incensed over a speech in which Obama vilified physicians, specifically surgeons, alleging that they often performed unnecessary procedures for profit.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Marge, I like that Senator of yours. I was certainly impressed with his questions to Clinton. Honestly, I didn’t think his question was the least bit out of line. All the “feminists” went ballistic at the mean old white man who attacked Clinton, but if she can’t handle a DIRECT question, how the hell can she be President??

      Anyway – thanks for the additional information abt Johnson. And you are right – the GOP owes him a HUGE debt of gratitude…

  10. helenk3 Says:

    when you can not make out in a prison with a fist full of pardons

  11. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Well, gee – Obama endorsed Clinton today. Is anyone REALLY surprised by that? He met with Bernie, and no doubt told him that was the deal. Anyway, here’s the link:

    • mcnorman Says:

      You have to wonder what she did that FINALLY made him give in. Bernie is also being forced into bowing down as well.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I suspect this was the deal cut between them back at the convention in 2008. And she must have some proof of it to hold over his head.

        There was also some kind of deal cut for Bill to appear at the convention in 2012. The little weasel, the Obama weasel that is, I suspect has been trying to escape the deal. He should know that weasel that he is the Clinton’s have years of weaseling on him. They are all such scum.

        • mcnorman Says:

          I am suspect of this announcement. I think he did this because he wants to send a message to the FBI about the investigation., The video was made on Tuesday. I still think that zero will through her under the bus at some point unless she is completely dedicated (cabinet and all) to continue his legacy.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            That would surprise me not one bit. Thanks for the observation, mcnorman. Definitely food for thought!

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I bet you are right, Marge. Obama and the DNC HAD to have promised her support for her run since she was doing mighty well until the DNC intervened in 2008. That they didn’t even want ANY delegates to vote for her to make it unanimous spoke volumes (and that is also illegal in 10 states).

        So yeah – this is her due…

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          I bet that had Michelle Obama gnashing her teeth.

          Did you read the latest about FLOTUS. Speaking at the City College of New York Michelle Obama discussed the significance of a black family living in the White House, a “house built by slaves” This is what she chose to say for her final commencement speech as First Lady.

          Does she never get tired of playing the victim? She needs to check her history too because while Harry Truman was president the building was gutted and renovated and where she wakes up was built by contractors and not slaves.

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            Oh, yeah – you know she is mad abt it!

            Her comments abt the WH, that constant victim mentality from someone who has benefited MIGHTILY from this country, is infuriating.

            Maybe she should listen to Snoop Dogg who reamed the new Roots as perpetuating the slave mentality.

            • helenk3 Says:

              daddy was a Chicago ward leader. she has lived off other people’s money for most of her life

        • mcnorman Says:

          She’s play the game. I am just surprised that she has been allowed to play. Everyone that I know in DC says that they can’t stand each other.

  12. kenoshamarge Says:

  13. helenk3 Says:

    I am taking a vacation for a few hours tonight.
    on TMC —-The King and I and the Carousel

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Oh those are two of my favorites – I just may join you.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good for you, Helen! I’m watching “Rizzoli and Isles.” Since Suzy was out of town when it aired, I waited…

      Anyway – I hope you both enjoy the shows!

  14. kenoshamarge Says:

    Was just about to turn the computer off for the night when something caught my eye about Andrea Tantaros. Since I don’t watch FOX any more and had quickly become bored with “Outnumbered” I wasn’t aware that she had been missing lately.

    Seems FOX has declared it’s best if she take some time off. It is suggested by the writer, at the Daily Caller, that it’s because she is pro-Trump.

    The commenter are hysterically vowing to never watch FOX again for “firing” Tantaros because she tells it like it is.

    They want Trump to make her his press secretary.

    Poor old FOX – they have now managed to anger both the for and against Trump crowd. It serves them right!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Interesting, Marge. I am surprised they would be suggesting she take some time given how pro-Trump Fox has become.

      And of COURSE she should be Trump’s press secretary! I am sure she would jump at the chance…

  15. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    And now VP Biden has (essentially) endorsed Clinton:

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