Our Political Tribalism * Open Thread *



I confess until recently I didn’t really understand the term “tribalism” as it pertained to politics. At the risk of sounding racist I thought “tribalism” meant tribes as in Native American or Tribes in Africa. Primitives in other words. I didn’t mean it in an derogatory manner it just was what I thoughtlessly thought.

The map below is what I thought was meant by Tribalism in America.

To my surprise the map below is what it really means:


As time has passed and as I’ve spent more time on a computer I’ve learned a  lot of things I wish I had known long ago. This computer is such a great source of information I am constantly amazed at how much you can learn. And amazed at how few take advantage of such a wonderful tool.

Politics being what it is you now have a chance to learn more about the people you vote for than at any other time in our history. That chance to learn is vastly underused.  Why bother to learn something when you can simply vote for a member of your tribe? Some are too lazy too bother to learn about the members of their tribe they vote for. Others simply don’t care. The tribe is all. The magic letter behind a candidate name.

I’m a pretty cynical old bird but when I read that over 50% of Democrats would vote for Hillary even if she was indicted I was flabbergasted. How could that be? Have people no morals, no decency, no concern about the people who govern us? The sad answer is no.

They might prefer someone else to represent their “tribe” but they will vote for the tribe in the end.

Add in a little racism to the mix and you can even feel smug about voting for your tribe. Corrupt maybe but at least they aren’t racists like those other people.

Republicans bewail  that it doesn’t seem to matter how contentious a primary election the Democrats have they will always come together in the end and support their tribe.

Republicans are tribal too but not to quite the extent as Democrats. Yes many will in the end vote for the Republican candidate because the Democrat is just so terrible. They know that because their tribal council, AKA the RNC, told them so.

This primary season has been like no other in my memory. Large numbers of voters have decided that their tribal council doesn’t have their best interests at heart. No revelation there just surprise that voters are acknowledging a truth known for a very long time.

There are signs that the Dems are beginning to get back in line. Bernie Sanders has conceded and has endorsed the woman he’s been excoriating for months. Now the question is will the people that followed him, believed in him, obey him. Given that many are young voters and really believed in him I really doubt they will all come back to the tribe.


On the Republican side things are a little more complicated. In a year when the Republicans fielded the best bunch of candidates, many new and almost unused candidates Donald Trump, the media and Rupert Murdock threw a monkey wrench in the works.

The Republican Party heads into it’s Convention next week divided. Seriously divided. The #NeverTrump movement is large and serious. The establishment is afraid that the Convention will turn into a DumpTrump revolution and so they are fighting to stop the #NeverTrumpers. If nothing else it should be interesting.

Will the Republican voters, particularly the Conservative Republicans defy the tribal council? Many Evangelicals did when they refused to vote for Mitt Romney. But this revolt is deeper and wider and much, much louder.

Will they in the end vote for Trump, nose firmly, tightly held because they think Hillary is worse? A lot worse? That’s a question a lot of people are looking into their crystal balls and trying to discover.



There are many that think Hillary is terrible, horrible, corrupt, dishonest and an all around detestable old hag. But those same people think Trump is a vulgar old megalomaniac. There’s a heinous choice for you to have to make.



Monday will begin the Republican Convention and many questions will be answered. Will the tribal council prevail? I expect they will.

Evidently some Conservatives have been able to concoct, in spite of the Trumpanzees, a decent Republican Platform. That will bring some home to the tribe. I’m sure someone will read it to the presumptive nominee.

The following week will be the Democrat Convention. I don’t see many answers coming from them. Socialism is all in style this year among the Dems. Only if violence breaks out will there be anything even remotely newsworthy about their Convention. The nomination has been Hillary’s since she endorsed Obama in 2008.

 “May you live in interesting times” is an English expression purported to be a translation of a traditional Chinese curse. I think we fit the profile for that this year. Perhaps for many years to come as our Republic determinedly tears itself apart.

Democrat Convention – July 25–28, 2016, at the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia, with some events at the Pennsylvania Convention Center.

 Republican National Convention – July 18–21, 2016. The convention is to be held at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, Ohio. This will mark the third time Cleveland has hosted this event, and the first since 1936.


47 Responses to “Our Political Tribalism * Open Thread *”

  1. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Excellent, excellent post, Marge. You nailed it!

    A friend had this great piece from the Weekly Standard abt Trump and the upcoming nomination. I think it fits well with your post: http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-is-a-lemon-and-republicans-should-return-him/article/2003299

    • piper Says:

      Drumpf is a democrat through and through who was basically chosen by democrat voters and various elites who think they are smarter and superior to us little folks who do not know how to manage our own lives. Still wondering if he changed his NY registration so he could vote for himself in the primary.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I think Noemie Emery’s excellent article is perfect! She is espousing the end of tribalism in the GOP whether she means to or not.

      Don’t you wonder if she would feel the same if it was a candidate she liked?

      I wonder how many of the Republicans who are ready for a revolution in their party have taken that thought long term. Because once you get people to vote their conscience and not their party tribe I don’t think there’s any going back.

  2. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Classy as always TWEETING out his choice for VP – WOW: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/287892-trump-officially-chooses-pence-for-vp

    • piper Says:

      The ego-maniac can’t go even one day without the news focusing on him. His needs override any common decency. Today and the following days should be to mourn the dead and injured not pump up the self esteem of a deceitful and detestable con artist.

      So tired of all those ‘people of the people’ with their meme of gun control on the day that innocent lives are lost due to deranged individuals and outraged demands.


      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Yeah, so much for him waiting to announce as a result of the terror attack. And we thought OBAMA needed to be the center of attention all of the time. I think this toddler will give him a run for his money in that department.

        And really – announcing a Vice Presidential pick via TWITTER??? Good lord…

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    I am listening to the Steve Deace show and if you want to know what shenanigans Priebus, Trump and the establishment types are pulling in Cleveland, before the Convention even starts, listen and learn. I confess I am sick to my stomach and I’m only into the 2nd hour.

    I listen to the podcast so I can pause it when I need to, which for a 3 hour show is a necessity and because podcasts don’t have commercials. Another good thing.

  4. helenk3 Says:

    From what I understand trumps announcement had to be made before noon today. If not pence’s name would have been on his state’s governor ballot.

    • piper Says:

      No he didn’t need to make the announcement today, Pence just needed to inform the state election officials that he would not be running for governor.
      Everything is just a twist on words.

  5. helenk3 Says:

    I am in the mood where I will only vote down ticket and not for a president unless I can write in Cruz.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      We can’t write in, or at least we can’t have it counted if we write in, here in Wisconsin so I am going to write in Gary Johnson. Don’t like him much but I want my protest vote counted.

  6. helenk3 Says:


    this made me sick

  7. helenk3 Says:


    none of the above

  8. helenk3 Says:

  9. helenk3 Says:

    just because

    one moment in time


  10. helenk3 Says:


    send their mail to a Rio de Janeiro jail

  11. piper Says:

    New logo for drumpf/pence campaign rolled out today which I find rather comical given the ‘i’m still making up my mind’ response from Donnnie over his VP selection. Forget about Nice and terrorism, pivot back to me and only me.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Another clue that being rich doesn’t mean having brains or taste. I am aghast that anyone would think that a good logo.

  12. piper Says:

    Over the fourth weekend, I traveled around Wisconsin and biked some beautiful trails helping me with both my frustration and anger with current politics, media hype and the special snowflakes who don’t realize that they are being duped and used by the elites for power.

    I wish that people would understand that what happened in other countries such as Germany, Russia, Venezuela could happen here.

    A question that was asked of Benjamin Franklin:
    “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

    “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      We kept it for over 200 years. Will the next generation be the ones to lose it? Will they stop texting long enough to notice?

  13. piper Says:

    Putting on my tinfoil hat regarding Pence and his tepid endorsement of Cruz and his back-handed support of Trump. Endorsing Ted was a way to garner support from the religious right who saw Pence as a turncoat (saying one thing publicly then voting differently) and were withholding support/votes in the upcoming gubernatorial race. Given his dropping poll numbers and a little birdie whispering about possible VP position, Pence wanting to stay in government chose to accept Trump’s offer.

  14. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Such a uniter, just like his boss. Just imagine how much worse this will be should Trump actually end up President(h/t Facebook friend): https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/trump-campaign-manager-brags-about-crushing-conservatives

  15. helenk3 Says:

    Statement by military read out on Turkish television: ‘to again obtain constitutional democratic human rights, we are officially managing the country’ – @bramvermeul
    See original on twitter.com
    Military action in Turkey, 2016
    Turkish military: All existing foreign relations will continue – Reuters
    End of alert
    Military action in Turkey, 2016
    Turkey Prime Minister Binali Yildirim, on NTV: ‘The government elected by the people remains in charge’ – New York Times
    Read more on nytimes.com
    Military action in Turkey, 2016
    Turkish military, in statement, says it has taken over the country, citing ‘democratic order, human rights’ – Reuters
    End of alert

  16. helenk3 Says:

    sky news live


    • piper Says:

      But Obama always says – diplomacy is the only way to go. And Lynch and other progressives always spout about love and compassion. I guess the Turkish military has enough of Erdogan and his policies and Obama’s empty words.

  17. piper Says:

    So apt – stole this comment from a poster on the Washington Post site

    ‘Trumpence; The amount of return on investment on a con job.’

  18. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    As I am sure y’all have seen, people are having some fun with the idiotic Trump/Pence Logo. I immediately thought, “Toilet Paper” when I saw it , as did some other friends. Well, one clever friend, who is also a comedian, came up with this revised slogan:

    Sponsored by Charmin


  19. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    The GOP is definitely Trump’s Party now. One delegate was threatened by Trump’s NY campaign co-chair, who claimed she should be “hung for treason.” Yep. That’s where we are now: http://www.dailywire.com/news/7507/free-delegates-supporter-allegedly-threatened-hank-berrien

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      The saddest thing is that the Trumpanzees won’t care and the voices from the right that support him will make excuses.

      Hannity for instance should be tar and feathered and ran out of the news business. I wonder seeing his repulsive sycophancy is he has delusions of being a Trump press secretary ala Tony Snow. Which is ridiculous because Hannity wouldn’t make a pimple anywhere on Tony Snow’s anatomy. Living or dead.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        I know, Marge. Reading the comments at places like Legal Insurrection is revealing indeed, and what it reveals is the depths to which the GO and its members have sunk. They are virtually indistinguishable from the Democrats

  20. kenoshamarge Says:

  21. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    More idiocy from the Dems, and this is what we can look forward to with either Hllary or Donald: http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/15/obama-obamacare-didnt-work-so-lets-completely-socialize-medicine

  22. helenk3 Says:


    restaurant owner has an ” oh S–t” wake up and reverses course. welcomes back cops with free meals

  23. helenk3 Says:


    5 taken into custody in Nice attack

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