“Cadillac Tax”Is A Tax Alright – And Not Just On The Rich *Open Thread*

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Regular readers know I have written numerous times about Obamacare, its origins, the backroom deals, secret meetings, and change of Senate rules to get it passed before anyone could read it (a la Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s infamous claim that, “but we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it…”), all in direct contradiction to the well-voiced will of the people who opposed this law in big numbers.

And since this law has passed, we have learned a whole lot more about the “architects” of this law, including Jonathan Gruber, a professor at MIT who does not think too highly of his fellow citizens (he thinks you’re stupid – seriously – that is what he called Americans), and who was thankful for a lack of transparency so he and the other architects could pull the wool over the eyes of “stupid” Americans. I wrote about Gruber a couple of years ago, his role in Obamacare, and some of the outrageous statements he made. (I wrote a number of posts about Gruber in addition to the one above, including this one when he faced a Congressional inquiry and this one as we learned the extent of Gruber’s Obamacare machinations.)

In case you have forgotten, here is Prof. Gruber sharing what he thinks of you as he extols the virtues of the lack of transparency behind Obamacare:

But Gruber wasn’t the only Architect to pull a fast one on the American people. There was also Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s brother, Ezekiel Emanuel, in on it too. And oh, did he do a number on us. Emanuel is the one we can thank for the “Cadillac Tax.”

Sharyl Attkisson had a great segment on the “Cadillac Tax” and the man who exposed both Gruber and Emanuel, Rich Weinstein, in her program, “Full Measure,” this past weekend. The program is well worth watching in its entirety, though if you take blood pressure medication, you might want to get on that before watching.

Okay, here goes:

http://fullmeasure.news/embed/news/cover-story/obamacare-selling-of-the-cadillac-tax

In essence, Sharyl Attikson interviewed the man, just a regular citizen, Rich Weinstein, who uncovered the subterfuge of Gruber and Emanuel with Obamacare in general, and the Cadillac Tax in particular. Here is the part you need to know:

[…]

Ezekiel Emanuel: “It is the single biggest tax break in the American tax code. It’s worth $250 billion dollars. To compare, for those of you who want to keep track, the mortgage deduction, sacrosanct, $70 billion dollars.”

Weinstein: “And it took me some time to figure it out, but I realized that they were going after that tax break and people are going to lose their tax break without knowing they were losing their tax break. That’s incredible.”

Weinstein learned that since World War II, Americans’ health insurance benefits from work haven’t been taxed as income. The Obamacare Cadillac tax will change that.

It slaps a 40% tax on work-provided insurance policies valued above $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family. For example, say your individual plan costs $15,200. You’ll pay 40% of the amount over $10,200that’s 40% of $5,000, which means an extra $2,000 to the IRS at the end of the year.

Uh, yeah. A FORTY PERCENT TAX on policies over the $10,200 threshold. That is HUGE. HUGE, people.

And it was a hard sell for Emanuel with Obama. Why? Because of this:

[…]

Emanuel: The other side, inside the White House, that other part of the health team and especially the political team, which David Axelrod headed up, hated this idea.

One reason they hated it, Emanuel explains, is because in 2008, Obama’s Republican opponent, John McCain, proposed eliminating the tax benefit, in effect imposing a giant new tax and at that time, Obama was against it.

Barack Obama, October 2008 campaign speech: John McCain calls these plans ‘Cadillac’ plans. And in some cases it may be that a corporate CEO may be getting too good of a deal. But what if you are a line worker, making a good American car like the Cadillac? What if you are one of the steel workers, who are working right here in Newport News? And you have given up wage increases in exchange for better healthcare? Well, Senator McCain believes you should pay higher taxes too. The bottom line, the better your healthcare plan, the harder you fought for your good benefits, the higher the taxes you’ll pay under John McCain’s plan.

But now, under Obamacare, he’d be imposing exactly what he criticized McCain for proposing: a massive tax hike on American workers’ health insurance. Emanuel would later reveal how it took some convincing to get the President to go along.

Emanuel: The President campaigned against John McCain, who wanted to get rid of the tax exclusion entirely with over $100 million dollars’ worth of ads saying, you know,’Republicans are gonna tax your health benefits for the first time ever’. This was an enigma. The President was going to go back on his word. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

And there you have it. The exact same thing about which Obama REAMED McCain he was not instituting in his SIGNATURE policy.

It is going to affect a LOT of people, not just wealthy people, but all kinds of families. The impact will be significant.

The attitude of these two, especially if you watch the video, is just deplorable – so smug, arrogant, condescending, and patronizing.

And they got away with it while we are saddled with this monstrosity of a law that continues to show how poorly planned, written, and executed it was/is. Routinely now we are learning of the major issues with this law, the insurers who are backing out, the impact on states, the failure of Co-Ops, and on I could go. It is an albatross around the neck of the nation.

What is worse, thanks to the Candidate a minority of disgruntled, angry,  temper tantrum throwing children selected along with a number of Democrats, the likelihood of getting this law repealed has become practically nonexistent.

As it is, and as Attkisson noted in her coverage of the Cadillac Tax, while Congress is OUTRAGED by it, their solution was to move the implementation date of the tax from 2018 to 2020.

Here’s a thought: why not pass legislation that REMOVES that tax altogether?? If they are so angry about it, why aren’t they getting rid of it instead of kicking the can down the road? That makes ZERO sense. Just one more pitiful response by those elected to serve us.

I could go on and on about the disaster that is Obamacare, but I am going to let you chime in on this issue or whatever else is on your minds today. This is an Open Thread.

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32 Responses to ““Cadillac Tax”Is A Tax Alright – And Not Just On The Rich *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Great post Rev! You nailed it and them. Sadly while We The People will be paying the bills for this “tax” via our insurance we will pay more for less and more for fewer “choices.” Seems the left is only interest in “choice” when it comes to ending the life of a baby in it’s mother’s womb. And they call that a woman’s “health” issue.

    Obama’s signature legislation is not viewed favorable and is in fact a massive failure. Some legacy!

    And in Wisconsin, where retread Russ Feingold is leading Ron Johnson all the voters need to remember is that Feingold voted for and was in favor of ObamaCare except he didn’t think it went far enough.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks so much, Marge – I appreciate that!

      And you are so right abt “choice.” Women in our later years and gay men are being forced to pay for BIRTH CONTROL PILLS as if we have any need for them, among other mandated coverages that often do not apply, yet we have to pay more for less coverage we WANT. It is just insane. Thanks, Democrats!

      I am sorry to hear that Feingold is doing so well there. That says a lot, doesn’t it? Ugh…

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    Shapiro: Here’s Why That New CNN Poll (Trump 45, Clinton 43) Is The Most Important Poll Ever For Trump

    On Tuesday, CNN/ORC released a new poll that could be game-changer for Donald Trump, if the poll isn’t just an outlier: it shows Trump up 45 percent to 43 percent over Hillary.

    Now, obviously, if that held up, he’d be winning. But there’s something even more significant in this poll than prior polls showing him up slightly over Hillary: it shows him breaking what appeared to be his 41 percent ceiling. Trump had not broken 41 percent since one Monmouth poll in July (he was losing 45 to 43) and before that, since May.

    Hillary is floundering in her own corruption.

    That means that Trump may be convincing Americans that he’s a plausible alternative to Hillary. If that happens – if she’s unable to cast him as completely unacceptable under any circumstances – President Trump could indeed become a reality.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/8913/heres-why-new-cnn-poll-trump-45-clinton-43-most-ben-shapiro

  4. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Meanwhile, Colin Kapernick’s BLM-infused protest is gaining steam, with his jerseys selling higher now, a fact that makes me SMH. Especially because, as we have noted, the BLM is based on nothing but LIES as this article highlights, including some very important statistics abt who commits the most crimes in this country:

    http://nypost.com/2016/09/06/the-lies-told-by-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

    Meanwhile, in Chicago, the death toll continues to skyrocket, out pacing LA and NYC COMBINED. Where are the protests from the BLM people on THIS?? Uh, yeah:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/06/chicago-hits-500-murders-2016-after-deadly-labor-day-weekend/89905916/

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Isn’t it Karma that after all her time in politics, after all the lies she told and after all the damage she helped to cause, that Nancy Pelosi most likely be remembered for her stupidity in saying “We have to pass the bill to see what’s in it?”

      Her legacy is the sound of people laughing at her.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        That it is. No one deserves to have her idiocy on such bright display more than Nancy Pelosi. She enabled the saddling of this nation with this horrendous plan, and deserves to reap all the crap she has sown.

  6. mcnorman Says:

    No amount of cadillac tax can fix the garbage that has been bestowed upon us. We are moving to single payor. Have been for a long time and this is going to be the last straw that breaks the camel’s back. Too many people are still uninsured. Too many are cheating and gaming when to purchase ogarbagecare.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/gaming-obamacare-insurance-health-care-217598
    And now we are hearing that there will be special screenings of people enrolling?

    https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Regulations-and-Guidance/Downloads/FAQ-Regarding-Verification-of-SEPs.pdf

    I thought the deal was that there would not be any pre existing??

    The insurers have been given their big last hurrah when it comes to the private plans. They have been kept happy until now when the coffers are empty and the citizens are becoming unhinged over the lack of care (albeit covered by a very high tax).

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Yes, they are definitely moving us toward Single Payer. I assume that was the intent all along.

      Thanks for the links, mcnorman. Yeah, seems there were plenty of holes in this law, and plenty of hidden taxes, giveaways, and more…

      • mcnorman Says:

        Here’s the rub…this will all be handed over as a single payor system to some cretin who ran one of these private insurance companies.

        Many years ago, Triwest was dropped as a payor because a lot of money (millions) were unaccounted for. I don’t think it has been longer than 10 years when they were dropped by the government. They were given the exclusive contract to run the payment system for the VA. Tell me there is not something odd about it?

        A lot of physicians have dropped the VA for several reasons, one of which is the long delay in payment.

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    Think Hillary’s health might be a concern? You’re just sexist

    Add Hillary’s weekend coughing fit to the long list of health scares for the Democratic nominee. The mainstream media may refuse to cover it, and Hillary herself may chalk it up to allergies, but conservatives are not being fooled. Something is going on here, and has been for a while, as The Blaze noted last February.

    So where’s the media coverage here? If Hillary’s coughing was really an allergy issue, wouldn’t her doctor have given her some sort of allergy medication to control it?

    Oh right. Giving air time to Hillary’s health woes is nothing but “sexism.” Predictably, the mainstream media have repeated the usual “This would never be said about a man!” talking point.

    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/09/think-hillarys-health-might-be-a-concern-you-are-just-sexist#sthash.tw5Zfdh4.dpuf

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Ben Stein really hits the nail on the head! Thanks for this!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        He’s right so often and says things I agree with so often I almost forget he’s a Democrat and supports Hillary. Life is strange and never stranger than it is now.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          He’s a Democrat?? I thought he was a Republican. Sure didn’t know he supported Clinton, but I can see him supporting Clinton over Trump. And yes – life is strange indeed, isn’t it?

  9. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    The owner of the Washington Spirit, a pro women’s soccer team, decided to short-circuit an attempt at a Kaernick-style protest by Megan Rapinoe, a player for the visiting Seattle team and the US Women’s National Team, by playing the National Anthem early.

    Rapinoe took umbrage at the owner’s use of the term “hijack” just 4 days before 9/1.. Frankly, her ire seems disingenuous to me, all things considered. And if Rapinoe thinks so poorly of the United States, she should resign from the NATIONAL TEAM immediately Or she should be let go. We should not have to be paying for a player who represents us who thinks so little of the nation she is representing.

    She has every right to protest. And we have every right to protest her actions: http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2016/09/07/seattle-reign-washington-spirit-owner-national-anthem-megan-rapinoe-protest

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Isn’t it amazing how many of these “protesting” pinheads don’t get the concept of reciprocal protest? They have every right to protest in any legal way they choose. And we have every right to protest their stupidity, ignorance and disgusting behavior. That’s the trouble with free speech for adults – it goes both ways.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        You said it, Marge. They don’t get that the First Amendment works BOTH WAYS. The owner of the Spirit had EVERY right to do what he did. If he didn’t want to see the Flag and Anthem disrespected, that was HIS right.

        While Megan has every right to protest, her claims of not having liberties here as a gay woman ring hollow to me. She is a professional soccer player who plays for the US Women’s National team in a country where she is free to marry whomever she damn well pleases. There are many nations where NONE of those things would happen.

        Moreover, I do not turn into sports for POLITICAL commentary. I tune into sports to get AWAY from political commentary.

  10. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Seems Colin Powell may have protesteth a bit too much, but that doesn’t diminish Clinton’s culpability: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/7/colin-powell-laid-out-path-hillary-clinton-use-sec/

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Knowing that email was out there he was foolish to open his yap.

      However as you point out, the “he did it too” defense is no longer valid after you reach the age of 4.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Oh, without a doubt – Clinton is wholly responsible for her actions,but Powell going on last week as if he was blameless was pushing the envelop, clearly.

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