Don’t Quit Your Day Job *Open Thread*

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That’s the advice I would give to whomever it was who came up with the following inaccurate-on-oh-so-many-levels sanctimonious Liberal claptrap:

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Sigh. Honestly, the lenses through which this person views Jesus is so burdened with not just modern interpretations and ideologies, but a serious, serious lack of basic Biblical knowledge.

I know there are other things going on, especially the recent terror attacks occurring in our country – again. Of course, these same people are often apologists for those who wish to do us harm, getting on their high horses and demonstrating that, just like with Christianity, they don’t know squat about radical or fundamentalist Islam. But still, this grabbed my attention.

Lets take a look at this claim from the beginning. Jesus was not homeless. His home was in Capernaum. Just because he was, in essence, an itinerant preacher does not mean he was homeless. That is a logical leap that ends in a fall.

Next up is the claim that Jesus was a Palestinian. Jesus was NOT a Palestinian. Palestine as we understand it today did not exist in the same way in the day of Jesus. But then there is this: Jesus was a JEW, a glaring fact the author missed COMPLETELY, from Nazarene, as well as being of the line of King David and Abraham (in accordance with the prophesy about the Messiah). So, yeah – he wasn’t a Palestinian as we understand them today.

Jesus was NOT an anarchist. An anarchist, by definition, does not abide any authority. Jesus routinely affirmed the Ten Commandments,  his Father’s authority, as well as adding commandments of his own (“love thy neighbor as thyself,” for instance). And according to the Apostle Paul, adhering to the laws of government was expected and required of Christians and non-Christians alike.

jesusclearstemple3The charge that the temples were “oppressive” and that Jesus “protested” against them is quite the stretch. The salient event to which this person was referring was the story of Jesus overturning the money tables at the temple. Just the one, I might add. His point wasn’t the “oppression” as I suspect the person who came up with the pithy exclamation above meant it. It was more about how the temple was being defiled. From John 2: 13 – 16:

The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple he found people selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. Making a whip of cords, he drove all of them out of the temple, both the sheep and the cattle. He also poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. He told those who were selling the doves “Take these things out of here! Stop making my Father’s house a marketplace!” His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for your house will consume me.”

Uh, yeah – that doesn’t sound like an anarchist or someone protesting an “oppressive temple,” but one righteously angry that the Temple was being used like a farmer’s market as opposed to a place of worship.

And it was the event at the Temple that led to Jesus being arrested and handed over to the authorities. But to call him a TERRORIST is just a tad (read: tremendous) bit of a stretch. He was taken by the Jewish authorities and handed over to Pontius Pilate.  From Matthew 27: 15 – 23:

15 Now at the feast the governor was accustomed to releasing to the multitude one prisoner whom they wished. 16 And at that time they had a notorious prisoner called Barabbas.[c] 17 Therefore, when they had gathered together, Pilate said to them, “Whom do you want me to release to you? Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?” 18 For he knew that they had handed Him over because of envy.

19 While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent to him, saying, “Have nothing to do with that just Man, for I have suffered many things today in a dream because of Him.”

20 But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitudes that they should ask for Barabbas and destroy Jesus. 21 The governor answered and said to them, “Which of the two do you want me to release to you?”

They said, “Barabbas!”

22 Pilate said to them, “What then shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?”

They all said to him, “Let Him be crucified!”

23 Then the governor said, “Why, what evil has He done?”

But they cried out all the more, saying, “Let Him be crucified!”

Hardly the trial of a terrorist charged with crimes against the state. Even Pilate knew that the clamoring horde was acting more like some groups today rather than adhering to the law – nowhere close to the same thing as being “executed for crimes against the state.” Pilate famously said he washed his hands of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the mob gleefully claimed they would take it on (Matthew: 25 – 26).

And the claim about “universal healthcare” is just silly. Equally silly is the claim that Jesus called for the “redistribution of wealth.” Such a claim is indicative of the dangers of putting 21st century ideologies onto exhortations based on Jewish law from two thousand years ago. That is to say, the pithy liberal does not understand the societal, cultural, historical, sociological, and historical times in which Jesus was speaking.  No doubt, the Biblical verse used to support that claim is from Matthew 5: 38 – 42:

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; 40 and if anyone wants to sue you and take your coat, give your cloak as well; 41 and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go also the second mile. 42 Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you.

This is not a call to “wealth redistribution,” but for a change in Judaic law and the code of Hammurabi. That is to not retaliate when someone does something to you (this excellent Commentary goes into much greater detail than I can here.  I highly recommend it to further explain the language Jesus was using and why.). And the admonition to help the poor is to make the point that it is not the job of the Government, but of the people and the Church/Temple/Community (a point about which I was reminded this morning). That is the exact opposite of wealth redistribution.

The bottom line is this: if you are going to concoct some ideologically based statement to try and make a political point using Jesus, try doing some research first instead of just making crap up to suit your political bent.Heck, you don’t even need to have a seminary degree like I have. You can use the Internet to do some searches to make sure you aren’t making a complete fool of yourself.

Oh, wait – I forgot. Why let facts influence opinion? I imagine that the person who said s/he would wait for the answer wouldn’t listen to it anyway because it doesn’t fit the preconceived, fact-less meme they are pushing. But hey, I had to try.

I could go on, but I’ll leave it up to you now. Thoughts? Quips? This is an Open Thread, so have at it about this or all that is going on in the world these days.

 

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33 Responses to “Don’t Quit Your Day Job *Open Thread*”

  1. piper Says:

    Interesting article about how the debates changed from when they were moderated by the League to fWomen Voters to ‘Newsy’ folks. It’s all about money and ratings not about being informative and helpful in choosing our next prez.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-moyers/theres-no-debate_b_12090380.html

    • piper Says:

      Without the incessant news media banging away for Drumpf, maybe we could have nominated a candidate who was competent and capable of being the president of the United States.

      I’m a bit down as the ‘faux outrage’ of this election continues.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good article, piper. I remembered that the League of Women Voters had run the debates before, but I didn’t know what happened to. change that. Riddings the LWV back then was spot on abt how news people shouldn’t be MAKING the news…

      And I completely understand being down abt what is going on now. I am right there with you…

  2. piper Says:

    Why I’m down – a myriad of issues from the news so-called reporting, candidates who both are so despicable and deplorable that our country is ‘screwed’ (bad word but nothing else really fits) no matter who’s elected, the hatred and divisiveness emanating from groups and friends to some age old problems like losing baby fine hair. I’ll stop before I depress myself more.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      As I noted above, right there with you. I have never, ever, been so worried abt our country as I am now, piper. These two “choices” aren’t choices at all…

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I know how you feel. It seems that there is nothing but bad news and b.s. as far as the eye can see.

      But there are still friends to talk to, good people doing good things and life going on for most of the country in spite of all the politicians and government does to us.

      New Jersey Woman Uses Couponing To Feed 30,000 People In Need

      http://www.sunnyskyz.com/good-news/1825/New-Jersey-Woman-Uses-Couponing-To-Feed-30-000-People-In-Need#8qxCr2TRUxcTvo2k.99

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Amen to that, and thank HEAVENS for that, since it is people like this NJ woman, or the flight attendant who reunites military dogs and their handlers, all those who volunteer at, or provide, rescue shelters for animals, or safe places for battered women and their children, or the homeless. Those folks and these kinds of stories help to remind us there really are some good people in the world, and not everyone is as screwed up as it sometimes seems…

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    A modern day liberal using Jesus to make a point reminds me of the old quote from Shakespeare about the “devil quoting scripture”. Except the Devil would at least come close to getting it right.

    This twit in waiting, and long may she wait, hasn’t a clue what she’s talking about. Like most liberals pretending to be Christians she makes it up as she goes along. Not that most Republican “Christians” are much different these days.

    She might get some good from: Luke 24:25-27

    25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken!

    26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?”

    27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Excellent response, Marge. And your choice of Scripture is spot on. Thanks for this!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I found your post inspiring. I find the hypocrisy of the liberals on the left and their pretense of Christianity appalling. Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi come to mind. Not to mention Tim Kaine seeming to think he gets to rewrite Catholic Doctrine.

        A lot of Cruz supporters are chastising the alt-right Trumpanzees by comparing them to the mob before Pilot.

        They say the Republicans could have had a good and righteous man and instead chose Barabbas. I am not comfortable with comparing Cruz to Jesus but I find myself comfortable with comparing Trump to Barabbas. Crazy days these days.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Thank you so much, Marge – that means a lot to me!

          And you ain’t only kidding abt the hypocrisy of the Liberal politicians. A bunch of “Conservative” ones aren’t much better, unfortunately, but at least like Kaine, they aren’t trying to revise and revamp Catholic Doctrine (ohhhhhh, was Kaine’s Bishop mad at him for that: http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/politics/tim-kaine-bishop-francis-dilorenzo/index.html).

          Honestly, I was thinking abt the BLMers and their responses to police officers with the whole clamoring mob piece. Their refusal to look at facts and their seeming belief that they are above the law as they clamor for the heads of police officers (figuratively or literally) seemed similar. That said, f course police officers aren’t Jesus, same as Cruz, but people who do the right thing, or try to, and are good, decent people, area reflection of the divine within, so there is that! 🙂

          LOL abt the Trump = Barabas comparison! Ahaha…

  4. cindyindie Says:

    EXCELLENT post, Cuzin—Just excellent! You have deconstructed the Dems propaganda perfectly. When I left the Dems, I had to come to terms with the profound fact that Jesus didn’t command the government to take care of his flock, but commanded us, as individual believers, to do so!
    Thanks to the liberals, an incredible irony has been created: So many individual believers have very little money left with which to contribute to their churches to help the poor, because of being taxed so heavily by the government to pay for liberal wasteful programs which supposedly “help” the poor!

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      You are too kind, Cuz – thank you so much!

      What a great point abt how believers are now so heavily taxed by the very government the Liberals think will save us that they can’t help others while our tax dollars are going down the drain (or used to accidentally give citizenship to hundreds of people who were supposed to be deported, or the entirety of the boondoggle that OBAMCARE is, and on we could both go, I am sure). Yep. You are spot on.

      Oh, and not for nothing, but the programs for the poor that the Government runs are SO poorly handled that we have poured literally TRILLIONS of dollars into poverty programs – and what do we have to show for them? More people on assistance, that’s what (http://www.weeklystandard.com/report-u.s.-spent-3.7-trillion-on-welfare-over-last-5-years/article/764582).Sigh…

      • cindyindie Says:

        Yes, MORE people on assistance! And all of the big inner cities that have decayed since being under liberal rule for decades! Honestly, the Dems seem to care about the poor ONLY every four years!

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          You said it, Cindy. That is exactly right. They care every 4 yrs, and otherwise, run those cities into the ground…

  5. kenoshamarge Says:

    While human beings are imperfect at best it seems to me that back in the day when we took care of each other people were not only better off but weren’t so divided.

    The Salvation Army has been helping people since 1865. It was founded in London by one-time Methodist circuit-preacher William Booth. It now helps people in 127 countries. It ministers to the soul as well as the body. They do better for the people in communities than any expensive and expansive government program IMO.

    People helping people will always work best. Governments just screw it up.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      So, so true, Marge. If they left it to the people and their own devices (like the SA), more people would be truly helped as opposed to wasting taxpaying dollars through poor administration, oversight, and disbursement. Great point, Marge!

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  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    Jill Stein Thinks Candidates Should Have Gone To Prison

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2016/09/19/jill-stein-prison-n2220671

    Okay Jill, how about only those who break the law, and I’ll admit in politics that’s a large number, like you did, spend time in jail. Jail is a social occasion you nincompoop, it’s supposed to be a about justice.

    At a time when we need some credible 3rd party candidates we get the likes of her and Goofy Gary Johnson. 😦

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good. Lord. She is just loopy, isn’t she?? Between her and Gary, there really isn’t a decent third choice. Ugh.

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That’s what I have been doing. I love football, but since more and more of these over-priced “oppressed” athletes have been taking a knee, I watched NO football on Sunday. Can’t believe the Commissioner continues to give them free rein to do so either, though the NFL was quick to fine someone for twerking in the end zone. Once they are in uniform, they represent the NFL, period. And the NFL has lost one fan, at least until they change their response…

  9. kenoshamarge Says:

    Minneapolis mayor has her head in the sand, worries about ‘Islamophobia’ in light of terrorist attack

    After a harrowing Saturday where Somali-American (and suspected ISIS recruit) Dahir A. Adan stabbed nine people in a St. Cloud, Minn. mall, Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges warned against the horrific, unfettered consequences of … what else … “Islamophobia.”

    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/09/minneapolis-mayor-has-her-head-in-the-sand-worries-about-islamophobia-in-light-of-terrorist-attack

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I am literally SMH. WTH is WRONG with these people?! They refuse to see what is right in front of them. Are all Muslims bad? No. But to worry more abt those who share the faith of a terrorist who just attacked a bunch of people more than the people who were attacked or the larger community is just insane.

      We have LOST THE EDGE in this country.

      Don’t even get me started on the ENTIRE high school football team, including coaches, who knelt during the National Anthem. I am so sick of these whiny, entitled, spoiled brats who seem to think they are “oppressed” if they don’t get every little thing handed to them. And who blame police officers rather than those who are criminals committing crimes. Jackasses. (Here’s the link: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nfl-anthem-highschool-idUSKCN11N0I4)

  10. kenoshamarge Says:

    Mollie Hemingway: Washington Post Declares Hillary Clinton A ‘Style Icon’

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Hillary Clinton looks better than ever this year. When she works on her style, it really pays off. But she remains Hillary Clinton and, as such, she’s basically the opposite of a style icon, unless you think boxy pantsuits and tented Chairman Mao jackets are what every woman is clamoring to wear.

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/19/washington-post-declares-hillary-clinton-a-style-icon/

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I try not to comment on the clothes of others, but a “style icon”?? Hillary?? Um, yeah, no…

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I also don’t think it fair that female politicians are expected along with everything else to be fashionistas. But as you say, a “style icon” – that’s way beyond slobbering.

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  12. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I dislike this man so very much, especially in terms of his framing of Palestine and Israel (just to prove the point of the liberal ignorance on this issue as noted above): https://unitedwithisrael.org/watch-obama-demands-israel-stop-occupying-palestinian-land

  13. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Are you freaking’ kidding me with this?? Once again, a terrorist is on the FBI’s radar and somehow is still able to carry out a terror attack?? His own FATHER said he was a terrorist. You’d think that would be sufficient information! WTH!?!?!!?! Wow. Just WOW: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/09/20/ahmad-rahamis-dad-accused-son-being-terrorist-2014/90734892/

  14. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    This kind of thing is possible because of Obama’s very clear disdain for Israel and his support of the terrorist state of Palestine: http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/09/anti-israel-activism-course-reinstated-at-uc-berkeley

    And this: http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/09/oberlin-student-senate-condemns-witch-hunt-against-prof-joy-karega

    I am dismayed and disgusted at the level f anti-Semitism in this country, especially when all anyone talks abt is the threat against Muslims. Still WAY more against Jews, but NO ONE TALKS ABT THAT. Wow…

  15. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    I’m sorry, but this is just wrong. It is wrong that tapayer dollars are going to this, and it is WRONG to be doing this to KINDERGARTEN students. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    And WTH with my old school district – Charlotte-Mecklenburg – buying into this crap and not allowing students to use BOY AND GIRL??

    I fear our nation has gone so far over the edge that we will not recover: http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/21/pushing-kids-transgenderism-medical-malpractice

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