About The Debate… ⭐ Open Thread ⭐

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Well the debate is over. I didn’t watch but I’ve been around and about this morning getting the opinion of those with stronger stomachs and more courage than I have that did watch. So let’s see what they had to say shall we?

Ben Domenech: Debate 2016: Choose the Form of Your Destructor

The real problem for Donald Trump in the presidential debates isn’t his temperament. It’s his narcissism. When tonight’s debate began, Trump was on solid ground, giving a message that essentially painted himself as a change agent and Hillary Clinton as a candidate of the status quo. As the debate went on, he took the bait again and again to defend himself on increasingly obscure subjects. Instead of blasting away at the core message of his campaign, he spent the evening stumbling in the weeds, and that is only his fault.

I like Domenech and tend to think he has the honesty and the gravitas to have some credibility. He also dislikes both candidates so that’s in his favor IMO. I also think he’s honest enough and loathes Hillary enough that in spite of his dislike for Trump he would award him points if he deserves him. It must be very painful for Conservatives like Domenech to see Trump as the Republican candidate. Romney was a bridge to far for them as they saw him as a RINO but Trump is a dumpster dive too far.
Domenech  also tells us: You had to laugh at CNN’s Nine Observers and their obviously biased take on the debate.

CNN’s nine observers – overwhelmingly ideologically opposed to Trump – that she won the debate. Gloria Borger thinks that Hillary’s attacks on Trump’s taxes and paying contractors were “boom goes the dynamite” moments. Van Jones thinks Trump’s defense of Stop and Frisk was a huge “botch”. Anderson Cooper thinks it is very significant that Trump drank a lot of water and Hillary Clinton didn’t. This analysis is ludicrous. Are these people paid for this stupidity?

Yes Ben, they are paid and paid well for such stupidity. Borger has been around with her biased and stupid comments for a very long time. Why I cannot fathom. Those nine idiots are a very good and visible reason why I never watch CNN.

 Charles Krauthammer: The edge goes to Trump….sorta

After watching the first debate between Trump and Hillary, Charles Krauthammer said it was not exactly the knock-out fight that everyone thought it would be.

Krauthammer noted that it was a spirited fight, but in the end he said it was really “something like a draw” that would have hardly any impact on the race.

‘But,’ he added ‘I do believe the draw goes to the challenger in the sense that Trump did not go over the line.’

Krauthammer pointed out that Trump did get very defensive on a few issues which Hillary exploited, and he missed a few opportunities. But he contained himself and didn’t commit any gaffes

Isn’t it amazing that the bar is set so low for Trump that just not going over the line or making any gaffes gets him a win?

I also find it amusing that it was “reported” that he drank water and she didn’t. WTH?

She also didn’t collapse and didn’t appear ill in any of the clips I saw. A “win” for her? Him with no gaffes and her with no collapse are wins for them. Dear Lord how could this country devolve to this?

Over at Conservative Review Robert Eno had this take:

Meh-mentum? Debate number one was a giant snoozeberry

 Tonight’s much anticipated debate at Hofstra University on Long Island lacked the fireworks of the primary debates. It was a pretty low-key affair. Trump was solid throughout the first third of the debate, but then Hillary Clinton got her footing. In the end, the debate was a slight win for Clinton that is unlikely to move many voters.

Eno’s piece contains information on how the Frank Luntz focus group saw the debate and I always find that interesting. I’ve never understood the rabid hate so many have for Luntz because all he’s doing is giving people, ordinary people not pundidiots a chance to speak their minds. Are some of them biased? I suspect most are one way or another. Does he pack his panels? I don’t know. Maybe. It still isn’t any reason to hate the messenger but that’s just my opinion.

Caleb Howe from RedState saw the debate like this:

The Bad, the Worse, and the Awful: What An Ugly Presidential Debate (And They Won’t Get Better)

On Monday night, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump faced off in the first Presidential debate, moderated by NBC’s Lester Holt, and it was pretty lousy, terrible, embarrassing and unhelpful. Ugly. Not ugly like mean or nasty. Ugly like “poorly done” and “omg is this real life?”

 Suffice it to say that neither of the candidates won. Rudy Giuliani is already suggesting Trump quit the debates (ostensibly because the moderator was mean), and Hillary fans are playing the woman card like it’s their last chance. Not a sign of successful candidates.

Of all the many times Trump lost his patience and bickered, the most alarmingly un-self-aware was when he insisted, stridently, that he has the best, no let him finish, the best temperament to be President.

Ben Shapiro, full disclosure, I love this guy, did a Live Blog of the Debate IMO there is more honesty and integrity in Ben Shapiro than in all the talking heads and pundidiots tainting the air waves. Here are a few of his comments:

Holt asks Trump what he meant by not having the presidential look about Hillary. Trump says she needs more stamina.

Hillary says “after he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a ceasefire, a release of dissidents, an opening of new opportunities in nations around the world, or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a Congressional committee, he can talk about stamina.” Trump says Hillary has experience, but it’s bad experience. Cheers for both.

Hillary says Trump tried to switch from looks to stamina. He says he has called women pigs and dogs, and said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers, and she rips his addiction to beauty contests. She cites a Hispanic woman Trump supposedly called a housekeeper.

Trump cites Rosie O’Donnell and rips her. He says he wouldn’t mention her family, skips the Clinton hit. He says she’s being mean.

That’s all I’ve got so far but I’m sure there will be much more as the day wears on. Most of the media, those wearing the blue jersey, will say Hillary won. Most of those in the red will claim Trump did.

Sadly I must “report” that Ted Cruz, the man who is better at debates than almost any of politician in my life time praised Trump’s debate performance on his Facebook Page. Ugh, just ugh!

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22 Responses to “About The Debate… ⭐ Open Thread ⭐”

  1. piper Says:

    I actually watched most of the debate. My comments are in the last post. Another day, another round of nasty polls and comments.

    Have a great day everyone

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Brought your remarks from the previous thread forward piper. They were a test of your courage in watching and should be further shared. Good on ya gal!

      Watching part of the debate – Donald is a joke, rambling responses, bragging about his businesses and wealth, and sniffling. Didn’t his ‘doctor’ say that he was in wonderful shape for a man of his age. His facial contortions while she is speaking are off putting and jejune for a man of his ‘stature’ and ‘age.’

      Overall Lester Holt is doing a fine job of moderating.

      Too much bragging about his endorsers like the generals, ICE, NRA and supporters.

      When questioned about his previous business dealings, he gives rambling answers like on being fined for racial discrimination in his early years : “it’s just one of those things.”

      Not a good debater – lots of interruptions, refusal to abide by time limits, making faces and drinking mucho water to cover up his nervousness.

      Forgot the arguing with Lester Holt

      Poor widdle Donald whining about how he has tried to be nice to Hillary but all she has done is spend hundreds of millions in ads being ‘mean’ to him. He is one extremely thin skinned insecure little man. Can’t believe I’m saying this – he is also more of a narcissist than Obama.

      SMH at our country’s predicament!!!!!

      • piper Says:

        Marge,
        Busy day for me but after arguing with myself in the shower, I decided to take a few minutes to write about what I saw and you, wonderful person, copied my remarks. Thank you.

        Without Daddy Fred’s money and name, I’m not sure Donnie would have made it in business. He is definitely a thin-skinned person who does not listen but constantly brags about himself and his greatness while denigrating anyone who doesn’t meet his ‘standards’ and has slighted him in some way. His dislike / nastiness was reflected in his facial grimaces, interruptions and arguing with Lester Holt bec. Lester didn’t bow to his greatness by helping him out whenever he babbling off a tangent. BTW – Don’s talking about Hillary’s stamina was hypocritical as he seemed to be having his own health issues with the constant sniffling and drinking water.

        Sorry Donald, you should have stayed home and learned / practiced the fine art of debating.

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          I had to acknowledge your courage, not to mention strong stomach in listening where I could not.

          Just listened to most of it on the Steve Deace podcast and I think I may mainline my Pepto.

  2. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Steve Deace would not agree with his friend, Cruz, on his assessment of this debate. And really – now that Cruz has endorsed him, is he going all in for him? That means that when Trump calls women “pigs” and “dogs,” Cruz is supporting that kind of comment. Or when Roger Stone calls Heidi Cruz a “Stepford Wife” who looks like she is on drugs, Cruz supports that kinds of statement, along with Stone calling Cruz himself a “weasel.” (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/26/roger_stone_cruzs_endorsement_shows_even_that_weasel_has_figured_out_trump_is_going_to_win.html)

    Then again, now that Cruz is all in for Trump, I guess the last part is accurate.

    It is astonishing that the bar is so low. Almost everything I have seen this morning has Clinton taking it hands down. Apparently, Trump had 15 good minutes, and that was it. He cannot sustain being composed for 90 minutes, which, no doubt, is why he refused to do any other one-on-one debates.

    Cannot believe these two are the choices…

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    Guy Benson: Analysis: Trump Opens Strong, Then Takes the Bait and Blows Opportunities

    She won because she baited him, and he took the bait every time, missing far too many chances to land obvious thematic and specific counter-punches — on emails, on the Clinton Foundation, on Benghazi. Rarely did he put her on the defensive, which isn’t especially hard to do. His lack of focused preparation was quite clear.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/09/27/thoughts-on-the-debate-n2223893

    The Luntz focus group that had him up and first ended up saying she won 16-6.

  4. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    This debate, and I would add, these two candidate, absolutely constitute an embarrassment: http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/27/trump-clinton-debate-was-an-embarrassment-for-everyone

  5. insanitybytes22 Says:

    I watched the debate. They have affirmed what I have believed all along, this country is in a heap of big trouble. It’s a lose-lose election.

    I think Hillary’s main accomplishment was in truly rallying her base. The fence sitters, the Bernie supporters, just realized she is the only way to prevent Trump from becoming president and now they clearly understand why that is so important.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I think you are right about her rallying her base. And just by managing to stand there for the length of the debate she put a lot of the “sick old lady” talk to rest.

      • insanitybytes22 Says:

        I know, right? Can you believe our standards have sunk this low? She didn’t pass out or die on stage and Trump never actually slugged her. Woo hoo, success??

        I have the urge to apologize to the whole world for this embarrassing debacle.

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          I wonder if we have any standards any more after listening to these two.

          I just listened to the Steve Deace podcast from last night and he inflicted most of the debate of his audience. My only consolation is it made him as disgusted as it did me.

    • piper Says:

      Donald proved that he is in no way ready to be president. Although people liked him and his style on “The Apprentice, he showed that he is no leader.

      A Twilight episode of the primary season would be a redo but unfortunately there would be No One that I could vote for since Ted Cruz showed that he is only a politician who sold himself for whatever.

  6. insanitybytes22 Says:

    Also, just because I love saying this, I can’t believe what a cheese eating surrender monkey Ted Cruz is. He has all the integrity of a jellyfish.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Much as it pains me to agree – I do. I now am with Glenn Beck –
      Rubio would have been a much better choice. He tarnished himself with the gang of eight crap and now Cruz has tainted himself evermore, IMO, with “encouraging” us to vote for Trump. Ugh!

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

    Chris Pandolfo: The first debate went from issues to nonsense in no time flat

    Presidential debates are where substance goes to die. That lesson was learned again during the first general election debate of 2016, when Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton squabbled over issues of personality and largely neglected to talk about issues that matter to the American people.

    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/09/first-debate-went-from-issues-to-nonsense-in-no-time-flat#sthash.db7fXnoZ.dpuf

  9. kenoshamarge Says:

  10. helenk3 Says:

    finally have internet that works I hope. I watched part of the debate. nothing new here. She comes off as a condescending witch and he comes off as ignorant, and ill mannered as cat poop.
    they both were too busy trashing each other to really give good answers to how to solve the problems of this country.
    still will not vote for either one

  11. helenk3 Says:

  12. helenk3 Says:

    I still can not get rid of the feeling that the whole thing is one giant con and trump is hillary’s trojan horse to insure she wins

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