💤 VP Debate 💤 Open Thread

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I’ve always heard that the VP candidate was supposed to act as the “attack” dog for the POTUS candidate. That way the POTUS candidate could “act” more presidential. That idea is down the drain along with a lot of other “givens” this year.

Not to mention that any idea of Trump acting presidential for longer than it takes for him to slip his latest leash is laughable. Getting him to act like an adult is hard enough.

The VP candidates may be trying to look and act like attack dogs but they just don’t have it in them. Add to that the fact that a good share of the public doesn’t even know their name and their debate adds up to a snoozer.

Mike Pence seems to have been able to act like a reasonable and informed VP candidate. Were he not the man on the ticket with Trump that might get him some cred with me and others that are either #NeverTrump or haven’t quite decided that they must vote Trump to stop the awfulness that is Hillary.

 

I suspect a lot of voters would much rather vote for whatshisname or whoever than Trump or Clinton. One women even wrote, on Twitter, that she would vote for whichever candidate she thought would die sooner. There’s an endorsement for ya.

While I don’t have much use or respect for Mike Pence I do think he would be better as POTUS than Trump. But that is a very, very, low bar.

Of course no debate would be complete without a focus group and Frank Luntz. The Group last night said that Pence Overwhelmingly defeated Kaine. I don’t know how much I trust these groups, or what their makeup is or anything else so I never know how much to trust them. I just figure I trust them as much or more than any of the talking heads who are not to be trusted at all.

However zipping around this morning the consensus seems to be that Pence won. Maybe the Donald can get a few tips from him.

Kaine seems to have “interrupted too much and people didn’t like that. Many of them were the same people that thought that Trump interrupting was just dandy. Don’t you just love hypocrisy? Especially when it’s so blatant that you don’t even have to hunt for it?

Gary Varvel

CNN flash poll: Pence tops Kaine in VP debate

I don’t trust ANY of the news organizations and that includes CNN but their “flash” poll is supposed to be fairly reliable.

The Daily Wire liveblogged the debate so we wouldn’t have to watch. I thought that very considerate of them. I also trust them more than most so I take what they think more seriously than most of the others. So here’s their take:

Well, it’s over. The debate, not the republic, although you’re mileage may vary… Both candidates were strong. Both candidates focused, for the most part, on policy. It’s actually tragic that this isn’t the shape of the entire campaign. Our nation would be better with more men like these on both sides of the aisle.

Kaine is the kind of man with whom it is a pleasure to disagree; Pence the kind it is a pleasure to agree with. The shame of it all is that they each had to defend the candidates on the top of their respective tickets. Or, more accurately, Kaine had to defend Clinton while Pence had to try to avoid the topic of Trump altogether.

On the whole, Pence wins the night because PENCE IS ACTUALLY A CONSERVATIVE and, therefore can actually articulate conservatism. Kaine articulated leftism as best he could for someone who only half-way believes it. If there was no Donald Trump, Pence would be a walk away winner. Kaine never landed a solid shot on Pence – other than by extension. Trump was his target, and he did land a few blows, though nothing significant. For the most part, his attacks seemed contrived and bullying juxtaposed, as the were, to Pence’s grace and sincerity.

For myself I don’t have nearly as high an opinion of either Pence or Kaine as they do. I think Pence has shown himself to be perfectly willing to drop his Conservative principles. Which is how most so-called Conservatives operate. Even the best of them. I’m talking of course about Ted Cruz who “encouraged” voters to vote for Trump which IMO is a betrayal of all he says he believes. I trusted him more than most so that was something I will never forget. I will forevermore trust less.

From the Conservative Review came this from writer Robert Eno: The 4 terrorist attacks VP debate moderator Elaine Quijano conveniently forgot to mention. 

If there was one consensus it was that Elaine Quijano was a terrible moderator.  Michelle Malkin was profoundly annoyed. Michelle Malkin exposes embarrassing ‘doormat’ moderator Elaine Quijano. Most of the complaints aren’t that she was biased, that’s a given, but that Quijano didn’t even bother to be subtle about it. Nor was she good at it.

Will this VP Debate win help Trump? I really doubt it. Because if my crystal ball is working this morning my guess would be that Trump’s big mouth and bigger ego will find a way to destroy Pence’s win. Just a guess but the Donald never misses a chance to…

Gary Varvel

There is what I have on the great VP Debate. I doubt it will have much of an impact one way or another.

Next we have another Debate from Trump and Hillary to look forward to on Sunday.

I wish I hadn’t given up drinking.

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21 Responses to “💤 VP Debate 💤 Open Thread”

  1. piper Says:

    Great analysis of last night’s fiasco which I couldn’t bring myself to watch. Appropriate cartoons describing this campaign season.

    Amy,
    Stay safe and send word about the storm heading your way.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I couldn’t watch it, either. I heard enough listening to the Steve Deace show this morning. That was PLENTY. More than plenty. Heck, even my liberal brother said that the country is screwed after watching the debate. No kidding.

      And it seems Donnie Boy is none too happy with Mike Pence. Here’s why: http://therightscoop.com/rumor-trump-upset-that-pence-upstaged-him/

      Thank so much, piper. We are heading up to Columbia tomorrow. Hopefully Suzy will be able to get home tonight (they are closing the bridge over the Intracoastal Waterway, or rather have closed it now. That is the only way on, and off, the island.). Will keep you posted!

  2. piper Says:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      While I think Kaine was rude and annoying Pence while “sounding” better lied through his teeth when he denied many of the things that Trump has said. Those things are on tape. So he may have “won” on style points but he lost on veracity. Kaine was annoying and unlikable but every time he repeated something Trump had said he was telling the truth..

      • piper Says:

        A long day for me including getting lost in one of the northern suburbs but finally arriving at my destination to listen to an excellent facilitator talking about complicated grief. Home just in time for the debate, listened to the boys for several minutes then decided a good book was a more pleasurable / informative way to end the evening.

        Thanks for sharing your take on the debate.

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          I only listened to bits and pieces. My stomach wouldn’t tolerate more. Two politicians who made their base happy is what I saw. I doubt any minds were changed.

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

  4. kenoshamarge Says:

    Jake Tapper gives win to Pence

    On style, he said Pence won hands down. And because this is a change election, he’d win on that point too, given Republicans are out of the office.

    BUT there’s a big caveat – because Kaine’s strategy was to constantly hit Pence with Trump’s quotes, he could lose the week. That is, he could lose the narrative if they don’t get ahead of it and control it. I think Tapper mades a lot of good points here.

    http://therightscoop.com/jake-tapper-says-mike-pence-takes-the-night-but/

  5. piper Says:

    Personally I don’t think the needle will move much for either candidate after this debate. My Indiana friends liked Gov. Daniels but have few good things to say about Mike Pence who was probably going to lose big time in his reelection bid which might explain why he agreed to be Drumpf’s VP choice.
    Pence is definitely smoother on television debate than Kaine given his experience on talk radio and weekend political talk show.

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Having been on talk radio certainly gives him an edge. Having to clean up after Trump makes him look weak IMO. And from what I’ve read about his refusal to stand strong for religious freedom in Indiana it would appear he would have had a rough time in getting re-elected.

      The word is that he thinks even if Trump loses this it will give him a head start in 2020. I don’t think so. Trump taints.

  6. piper Says:

    Since I didn’t watch the debate and have only read various commentaries about them, I can safely surmised that Pence won but my question is what did he really win.

    Here’s a debate coach grading of the VP debate.
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/opinions/debate-coach-pence-kaine-graham-opinion/index.html

  7. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Great post, Marge. I commend you for taking it on! From what I understand, again, even from my Liberal brother, Kaine was a jackass, and Pence wasn’t. Unless you count all of the lies, as you mentioned above!

  8. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Well, this sure explains a lot, though as Sooper Mexican points out, it doesn’t say a whole lot good abt these conservative agencies that they were bought off so easily: http://therightscoop.com/disgusting-how-trump-bought-his-way-into-the-conservative-movement/

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I guess I’m not so much surprised that these organizations could be bought, it’s that they could be bought so cheaply.

      Billy Graham once stood for “good” whether you thought him a good spokesperson or not. Now Franklin has tarnished the Graham “brand”, the good name. Some will still believe in him and the name. But only if they don’t really believe in Jesus.

      1 Corinthians 2:5

      That your faith would not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

  9. kenoshamarge Says:

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      There are many, including Steve Deace, who thought Pence was playing not so much for the Trump/Pence ticket in 2016 as for the Pence ticket in 2020. If so I think he isn’t living in the real world.

      He may fool the foolish but people that keep track of things, people that know what he does and not what he says won’t be fooled by his performance. Riddled with lies I might add.

      He isn’t nasty enough to keep the Trumpanzees and he’ll be too tainted by Trump to appeal to anyone else. But the lure of all that power drives better men than he.

  10. kenoshamarge Says:

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