Still Cannot Believe These Are Our Choices *Open Thread*

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The election is about a month away now. Thank heavens it is almost over now, though our heartache and headache at the plight of our nation will continue, unfortunately. I mean, really, how can it not be when you look at the options of who will end up as Leader of the Free World?

Donald Trumps’s terrible treatment of women has been widely reported throughout this campaign season. For reasons that continue to elude me, many women (and men) continue to dismiss this aspect of his character, one that is prevalent, it seems. Well, the AP has more astonishing revelations about Trump’s treatment of women who were on, or worked for, “The Apprentice.” Check this out:

[…]

The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump’s behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.

Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka.

[…]

Randal Pinkett, who won the program in December 2005 and who has recently criticized Trump during his run for president, said he remembered the real estate mogul talking about which female contestants he wanted to sleep with, even though Trump had married former model Melania Knauss earlier that year: “He was like ‘Isn’t she hot, check her out,’ kind of gawking, something to the effect of ‘I’d like to hit that.’ “

Okay. As if this isn’t disgusting enough, that Trump compared another woman’s rear end to his DAUGHTER’S is just perverse. Seriously perverse. Again, how is it that so many women, and religious leaders, support this man?? UGH.

Naturally with Trump, there is more:

[…]

A former crew member who signed a non-disclosure agreement and asked not to be identified, recalled that Trump asked male contestants whether they would sleep with a particular female contestant, then expressed his own interest.

“We were in the boardroom one time figuring out who to blame for the task, and he just stopped in the middle and pointed to someone and said, ‘You’d f… her, wouldn’t you? I’d f… her. C’mon, wouldn’t you?'”

The person continued: “Everyone is trying to make him stop talking, and the woman is shrinking in her seat.” […](Click here to read the rest.)

Good heavens. There is more, and you can go read it, if you can stand it. But yeah – this is the man a number of Republicans want to be President, even people whom we had (formerly) respected. Wow.

And then there is Hillary Clinton. There are so many things about this woman many of us supported 8 years ago that have come out since then. I wrote years ago that Clinton would be tarnished by being Obama’s Secretary of State, but I had no idea just how badly tarnished she would be. Between the emails and Benghazi alone, Clinton’s reputation has justifiably taken a big hit. Not as big as either one of those stories should have had, I think. Either ONE of them should have been sufficient to torpedo her run. But no. Perhaps people are just tired of hearing about the emails since the FBI let her off the hook, and Benghazi, so they have stopped paying attention – if they ever did, that is.

But there is one man who knows firsthand about his life being torpedoed by Hillary Clinton. That would be Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, the filmmaker Clinton (and Obama) blamed for the terrorist attack in Benghazi. As Legal Insurrection highlighted, his life has been destroyed:

[…]

Hillary’s treachery and lies are now well-known because of documents uncovered against the State Department and Hillary’s wishes. Those documents show that as she was blaming Nakoula’s film for a supposedly spontaneous mob attack, she privately told her daughter and others that it was a planned terrorist attack (which it was). Hillary lied through her teeth to preserve her own political future and that of Obama.

[…]

Nakoula was immediately arrested  after publicity about the film revealed that he used the internet in violation of probation terms. While Nakoula’s life is murky, there is no doubt that his life has spiraled downward since the false claim that his movie led to the deaths. He spent a year in prison.

[…]

Fox News reported on September 12, 2016, Blamed for Benghazi: Filmmaker jailed after attack now lives in poverty, fear:

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, the Coptic Christian whose short video “The Innocence of Muslims” was initially faulted for sparking the Sept. 11, 2012 terror attack at U.S. diplomatic compounds in Libya, is now living in a homeless shelter run by First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif. He has served time in prison, been shamed publicly by the White House and threatened with death.

“I don’t believe in democracy anymore,” Nakoula told FoxNews.com. “I don’t think there is such a thing as freedom of speech.” …[…]

(Click here to read the rest.)

Uh, yeah. That is where Naboula is now – a homeless shelter, his life in tatters. I reckon that’s what happens when you have the Secretary of State and the President bring the full force of the Government on you to cover up their own failings.

But hey – what’s the destruction of a man’s life – five, if you count those killed in Benghazi – to those who want the first woman to be President? I mean, really. It will be “historic,” after all!

UGH.

In all honesty, I had considered not voting for anyone for the first time in my adult life. I am so disgusted by the choices we have before us, the thought of pushing the button for any one of these people, the whackadoodle Johnson included, literally makes my head hurt.

But then I saw the following piece in The Federalist, and I thought the author made a good point, one he frames in terms of Conservative Christians, but I think it applies to others of us as well:

[…]

Voting for Gary Johnson is really voting to advance the Libertarian Party, and this is good for conservative Christians for two reasons. First, it weakens the current Democrat-Republican duopoly, opening up opportunities for real alternatives in the future. Second, it promotes the cause of limited government, which should resonate with conservative Christians.

[…]

It’s highly unlikely Johnson will win this election. However, if he musters enough votes, it will put the Libertarian Party in a better position for 2020. Then, they could nominate a better candidate—one more attractive than Johnson to conservative Christians and more in keeping with libertarian principles. In effect, Johnson becomes a placeholder for 2020. […] (Click here to read the rest.)

And for what it’s worth, Johnson’s VP pick, Gov. Weld, has changed his stance on gun control, too, so there is that.

In any event, I thought the author made a good point about breaking up what, to me, is really a monopoly of the two parties, which are flip sides of the same coin. O I am reconsidering my decision.

Bottom line, while I have said this before, I have to say it again: I cannot believe these are our choices this time around. Just cannot believe it.

This Mary Chapin Carpenter piece seems appropos, the title, if nothing else:

This is an Open Thread. Talk about whatever is on your minds!

On a personal note, Suzy, the animals, and I are safely ensconced in a lovely Hilton property in Columbia, SC waiting out Hurricane Matthew. Despite a long 4 hr trip for what should have been 2 1/2 – not because of traffic, which was fine,, but traveling with a dog, and one of the cats meowing THE ENTIRE TIME, it was the right decision. As of this writing, the hurricane appears to be heading toward our island. Prayers and good thoughts that it veers away… Thank you to everyone who has checked in with us. It is much appreciated!

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58 Responses to “Still Cannot Believe These Are Our Choices *Open Thread*”

  1. kenoshamarge Says:

    Great post on the sad choices the two major parties have inflicted on our country. I have never been happier that when I left the Dems for good I didn’t join the GOP. Neither party is worth our vote and neither of the disgusting people that want us to vote for is worthy of a vote from any decent American.

    I had intended to vote for Darrell Castle since I like him, what he has to say and the party he represents. I am rethinking that since reading the Federalist piece. Although given the way some Libertarians are behaving, very Trumpanzee and Obot like, I may not want to help the Libertarians rise.

    I would rather help Darrell Castle’s party – The Constitution Party – rise. They are more in keeping with what I believe than some of the tenets of the Libertarian Party. http://castle2016.com/home/

    That said, Castle hasn’t even made a dent. I wonder if he might be doing better if all the Cruz Cult members decided to vote for him instead of writing in Ted Cruz.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thanks so much, Marge. I wish I could vote for someone like Castle, or McMullin, but we cannot write anyone in on the ballot.

      I hear you abt the Libertarians. Johnson is a whackadoodle. No doubt abt it. I would love for the Constitution Party to truly rise up. Heaven knows, we could sure use one…

  2. kenoshamarge Says:

  3. kenoshamarge Says:

    And above all dear friend:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Thank you, Marge. I am really glad we left, even if it meant 4 long hours of Bou meowing his full head off (I still have a headache from that). In the short and long run, it was the right decision to make. The animals are still a bit freaked out – except for Punkin’, that is. She is the bravest one of the bunch. I guess she figures when you have cancer, being in a hotel room is no big deal!

      It is raining in Columbia, and we will get a fair amt of rain here. But it will be NOTHING compared to what is going to happen on Edisto…

    • piper Says:

      I triple that thought. Stay safe and thank you for writing today’s thread. I will probably vote for Castle as I find Johnson to have more than a few screws short of a complete set.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        Thanks so much, Piper – I appreciate it! That the storm is now making a bead for Charleston makes me really glad we left…

        I agree completely abt Johnson. I wish Weld was at the top of the ticket instead. And I REALLY wish I could vote for Castle, but it just isn’t a possibility…

  4. piper Says:

    I think that there is more to Benghazi than what is being reported today. As much as Hillary was involved it falls directly on Obama and Jarrett who planned this ‘arms selling ala Iran Contra’ yet failed to take into consideration all the things that could go wrong and did. No call for military assist or a stand down order was to sweep the ‘affair’ under the carpet to avoid blame during his re-election bid. The movie excuse was probably thought up in the WH again to provide cover for Obama.
    Does Obama really want to campaign for Clinton – probably not but she has the ‘goods’ on him and his narcissism can’t deal with any negativity that could rain down on his and his tenure.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good points, piper. Ultimately, Obama is responsible for not calling in military help. That is HIS job. But Clinton is responsible for the cutback in security staff and for not closing the embassy when others were closing.

  5. piper Says:

    Sometimes I like to have a conversation with pets to see what they think of us. A little Maxine humor

  6. kenoshamarge Says:

    The Constitution Party has managed to get on the ballot in 24 states.

    I agree with this from their website:

    Open and equal access to the ballot is the political rights issue of 21st Century America. Without all political ideologies having a place in the free marketplace of ideas, on an equal footing with the top two in power, life is like an ice cream shop that only serves two flavors – customers grow weary and no longer buy. America flourishes when its citizens have real choices with which they identify philosophically.

    America’s representative system of constitutional governance is doomed to fail if voters continue to be offered only vanilla and chocolate when what they really want is mint chocolate chip or a hot fudge sundae.

    Here’s a link to their website: https://www.constitutionparty.com/

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      That is an excellent point – they SHOULD be able to be on the ballot in all of the states and territories. Thanks for this!

  7. kenoshamarge Says:

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Oh wow – so they ARE on the ballot in my state! Yippee!! That is great news! On to their website to learn more abt them. Thanks for the map – I am happy abt that!

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I knew they were on a lot of ballots so I thought I would check it out.

        The RNC and the DNC have done their worst to keep people from having other choices.

        3rd party candidates don’t often have much of an impact on elections but had Ross Perot not run in 1992 we would probably have had a second term for GWH Bush.

        How that would have impacted the Clintons it’s hard to say. Perhaps by being denied the White House at that time more of Bubba’s sex life, cheating and rape might have come out. And a young woman named Monica Lewinsky might not have had her life ruined.

        George Wallace and Ralph Nader had some impact too.

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          All good points, Marge – yes, there does seem to have been some difference made by various third party runs. That is some helpful perspective, which I appreciate!

          And so, so true that the R/DNC don’t want us to really know abt some of these other options. The media doesn’t want us to know, either…

  8. kenoshamarge Says:

  9. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Okay – it is looking less likely that I can vote for the Libertarian Party: http://www.dailywire.com/news/9773/libertarian-party-indiana-stop-and-frisk-policies-elliott-hamilton

    Glad to know abt the Constitution Party!

  10. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    One thing is for sure – I will not be buying Ben & Jerry’s EVER agai: http://www.dailywire.com/news/9778/ben-and-jerrys-releases-black-lives-matter-ben-shapiro

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      I don’t buy their product. If you read the ingredients it’s a heart attack looking for a place to happen.

      I’ve also been disgusted by their politics before.

      As I commented over at The Wire:

      How about the end result of eating this unhealthy crap? Try these other popular flavors: Big Butt Berry – Humongous Hip – Chocolate Chin Cookie Dough and not to be left out – Butter Brickle Belly Buster.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        AHAHAHAHA – good one!

        Yeah, I prefer frozen yogurt (Publix has some AWESOME flavors), but this kind of crap just ensures I will never eat B&J.

  11. kenoshamarge Says:

    HORRIBLE: Police officer almost BEATEN TO DEATH because she was afraid of media uproar

    A police officer in Chicago had every right to shoot a black suspect strung out on PCP as he was savagely beating her, but she didn’t pull her gun because she was afraid of the media uproar that would follow.

    http://therightscoop.com/horrible-police-officer-almost-beaten-death-afraid-media-uproar/

    How repulsive is it that this woman took a savage beating rather than face the liberal press and the BLM racist cretins? How repulsive is it that a police officer is more afraid to protect herself than she is of the media?

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      OHMYGOSH – that is TERRIBLE!!! Oh, no, Marge. That is just terrible news.

      And yes – this is PRECISELY the result of the BLM haters and liberal media. This just makes me ill.

  12. Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

    Here is a video from the Edisto Beach Police Department. The beach is less than 5 miles away from us as the crow flies, and we are on a creek. This was taken 3 hrs ago. Bear in mind the hurricane is not even close to us yet, but this is the damage that it is already wreaking:

    https://www.facebook.com/Edisto-Beach-Police-Department-278137138978231/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Is flooding as much a danger as the wind? I know that it can be, I just meant where you are.

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        We have never had a problem with it, even with the big flood we had last October. But this is different. If it is high tide or close to it when this comes, it will certainly cover our dock, and may very well breach the bank. It easily could, I guess. It has not happened in the 10+ yrs we have lived there, but we have not had a storm of this magnitude either.

        Our house is built 12 ft off the ground, so the chances of it getting into the house are slim.Hope so, anyway! But yeah – we are very close to the ocean as the crow flies, and the creek is right at the bank.

  13. kenoshamarge Says:

    I sometimes listen to the Glenn Beck program in the afternoon – podcast version and I started to listen today and I am sitting here with my mouth open in total flabbergast mode.

    Glenn is off today so Pat and Stu and Jeffie were talking about the storm. And they played a clip of Shep Smith that I still cannot believe isn’t something from SNL.

    FLORIDA – Fox News anchor Shepard Smith has a clear message for Floridians thinking about ignoring Hurricane Matthew evacuations – death is imminent.

    “This moves 20 miles to the west, you and everyone you know are dead. All of you…and your kids die, too.”

    Pat wondered if when Shep Smith said “everyone he knew included his relatives in Montana which would mean this was a really, really big storm.

    What kind of an idiot says something like that? There was more but that was the worth. Smith also talked about a woman who refused to leave and asked if she thought they should cover her funeral. This is beyond irresponsible IMO. What do you think?

    If you have time you might want to listen to them. They’re silly at times but some of it is really funny. And they also manage in their idiocy to plant some good information. They also make fun of Obama and Gore and climate change which is always worth a listen.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      I saw that Shep had made this statement. Wow. Just wow. I never liked him anyway, but this is just idiotic.

      That said, there are many people in my neck of the woods who did NOT leave, including many in my neighborhood. There is an island near us that is literally going to be under water, and the National Guard and rescuers have had to go there with rescue boats and a helicopter to try and airlift the remaining 100 people there. They even added an extra ferry ride this morning, but still, these people stayed. Imagine just the financial cost of having all of these responders there because these people refused to leave. So yeah – that’s idiotic, too.

      And if you look at what is already happening at Edisto Beach, HOURS before the storm even comes, you get a good idea of how bad it is going to be. Honestly, I just started crying when I saw the water running down the sandy path because I know how high up those sand dunes are, and how high the water must already be. Sigh.

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        I agree that those that decide they must stay and cost the community so much in monies that could be used in better ways plus the fact that they endanger others by their foolishness.

        But you have to wonder if it isn’t because of fools like Shep Smith that some people refuse to believe the danger.

        The left has used hurricanes to push for their global warming agenda relentlessly and ruthlessly. Funny thing is when WE make fun of them when we have a giant snow storm they tell us that’s just weather not “climate”. But hurricanes are just weather too aren’t they?

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Oh, no doubt. But this was our Governor telling people in no uncertain terms that they needed to get out, and if they did not, they were putting the lives of First Responders at risk. She’s right, too.

          I totally hear you, thought. And yeah, the Left definitely uses this to push an agenda. I was interested to see today at one of the weather sites that the hottest day on record was in the 90’s back in 1951. Uh, yeah.

          Absolutely, hurricanes are weather, too, and they have not been increasing in number despite the claims to the contrary.

          So I just heard on The Weather Channel that the hurricane is going to be pushing up toward Edisto tonight when the tide is high. That is Not. Good.

          • kenoshamarge Says:

            I am praying for you and all those in harm’s way. So disgusting that people play politics with these horrific storms.

            And yeah, Global Warming/Climate Change is total horse pucky IMO. Of course “climate” changes – it always has and it always will. The planet will survive. Human beings? Maybe not so much. Because we, stupid fools that we are, kill each other off. I guess Mother Nature isn’t enough of a threat for us, or maybe she doesn’t target the “right” people. It’s all so stupid!

  14. helenk3 Says:

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/?q=&mfrom=&mto=&title=&notitle=&date_from=&date_to=&nofrom=&noto=&count=50&sort=2#searchresult

    today’s wikileak e-mail drop

    • kenoshamarge Says:

      Helen, what’s happening kiddo? Are you safe in Florida from the storm?

      • helenk3 Says:

        yes I am on the other coast. had internet issues and then got the cold from hell. getting better now

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Thank heavens that you were out of harm’s way, Helen! Sorry abt the cold and ongoing internet issues, though! Hope you feel better soon!

        • kenoshamarge Says:

          So sorry about the cold but so glad to hear you are all right. I was worried. We missed you.

          What is it with Florida and internet problems?

  15. helenk3 Says:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/wikileaks-appears-to-release-hillary-clintons-paid-speech-tr?utm_term=.eda1Z5aJ6#.tbj03Kg64

    wikileak clinton speech transcripts

  16. helenk3 Says:

    I just walked out back and saw the most awesome sky. dark grey , pink, red and here and there a small patch of blue where the quarter moon was shining.

    I wish I could paint

  17. piper Says:

    Here’s the esteemed republican candidate talking about women. And his sorrowful apology, “I’m sorry that this offended some of you.”
    OMG – this is what the republican party thought could be their standard bearer.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/donald-trump-hot-mic-caught-on-tape-groping-women-sexually-aggresive-vulgar-lewd-billy-bush

    • piper Says:

      And Corey Lewandowski. his bestie is trying to say America is not electing a Sunday School teacher which I thinks means nothing to see here move along or some other nonsense.

    • piper Says:

      His actual statement

      “not even close. I apologize if anyone was offended.”

      • kenoshamarge Says:

        My problem is that there will be many that won’t be offended. People are offended at the drop of a hat – or the mention of a hat or by Trump’s name chalked on a sidewalk but disgusting disrespect for women like this won’t even faze some of these people.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      Good LORD. What a despicable man. Just despicable. And Lewandowski is scarcely better. Jackasses, the pair of them!

      • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

        It looks like this was enough to push Paul Ryan away from Trump. He won’t be campaigning with him after all: http://therightscoop.com/paul-ryan-says-hes-disgusted-trump-appearance-wisconsin-cancelled

        • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

          Jake Tapper had a great response to Trump’s comments abt this being “Locker room banter.” Yeah, not so much: http://therightscoop.com/never-talked-like-never-even-thought-like-jake-tapper/

        • piper Says:

          Thank goodness that Ryan came back to some of his sense and cancelled his campaigned with the despicable mantled.

          I’m not a prude and and in my long lifetime have observed / heard many young men talking about women but never like Trump’s mouthy assault on women. Basically he has NO respect for women and only see them as sexual conquests.

          Trying to say others do it like Bill Clinton is just a juvenile attempt to shift his bad behavior unto others. And perhaps in his demented mind he’s forgotten that he’s running against Hillary not Bill.

          Now the question is whether he’ll show up for the next debate or flail about while answering town hall questions.

          • piper Says:

            love spell check should be man child not mantled

          • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

            Yeah, though I am still very disappointed in him and the others who endorsed Trump KNOWING all of the horrible things Trump had already said! I mean, really – his horrific treatment of women has long been documented, as has his serial philandering, adultery, and more. That was NOT news, not even close, yet all these people who have long criticized CLINTON for his behavior are now embracing a man who is at least as bad if not worse! How do you justify that?? You can’t. It is hypocrisy, plain and simple.

            And regardless of how terrible Bill Clinton is to women, as you note, it does not take away from how terrible TRUMP is. Bill isn’t running; Trump is. Again – these people who have long ridiculed and been sanctimonious abt Clinton are now embracing someone who says things abt women I have never heard (thankfully). There is just no excuse for that. None at all.

  18. kenoshamarge Says:

    Trump Audio Emerges: ‘Grab [Women] By The P***y’

    In the latest Quinnipiac poll (Hillary +5), Donald Trump trails among female voters by 20 points. In Fox News’ new survey (Hillary +2), his deficit among women is ten points. That gap may soon grow, as the Washington Post has obtained audio of Donald Trump bragging about his sexual exploits on a hot mic in 2005. With a content warning firmly in place, here’s the clip, followed by a partial transcript:

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/10/07/trump-audio-emerges-grab-women-by-the-py-n2229467

    Guy Benson: It *is* fair to note that Trump’s horrific attitude about fame/power & sexual entitlement is how Bill Clinton has lived his adult life.

    Ted Cruz: These comments are disturbing and inappropriate, there is simply no excuse for them.

    • piper Says:

      My response to Guy – Hillary is the candidate not Bill and to
      Ted – just more of the same coming from Donald whom you endorsed despite all the nasty statements he made about your wife and father.

    • Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Says:

      What Trump said, and the manner in which he said it, is the clearest window yet into how depraved he is for those who didn’t want to see it before. He essentially said he has no qualms forcing himself on women regardless of their will. That is sexual assault.

      Again, Clinton’s behavior was wrong. Trump’s is wrong. One does negate or excuse the other. Trump is the one running for President, and his character is clearly in evidence. He is despicable.

      And the people who have attacked Clinton for his behavior who are now using it to justify Trump’s are hypocrites in the truest sense of the word.

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